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Emergence pre order links

Posted Yesterday into Books by John Birmingham

The eagle-eyed among you will have noticed a banner ad pop up for Emergence. That link (and this) will take you to Booktopia, where I get an extra 7.5% royalty for any business I send to them. This addresses some of my issues with running Amazon ads, as Booktopia are an Australian operation. Plus an extra 7.5% will finally let me get that third gold plated hovercraft I need.

Booktopia are an ebook retailer, (my bad earlier, I said they weren't) but they don't have a deal with Pan Macmillan, so for anyone looking for Kindle copies, you'll want to get on the end of this link.

That'll take you to the US kindle store, where a lot of you have accounts, but if you've programmed the nav computers for the somewhat hapless Aussie store on your electronical book reader, it should offer to redirect you. If it doesn't redirect, DONT USE THAT LINK - you'll be left waiting until April with the likes of Boylan and McKinney.

For anybody who wants to get hyperlocal in their support, Pages and Pages in North Sydney have teamed up with Boomerang Books and you can support one of the best bookstores in Sydney by hitting this link up.

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Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted Yesterday

Already pre-ordered my e-book for the December 23 release.

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MickH reckons...

Posted Yesterday
How about pulp fiction in the city?

John Birmingham would have you know...

Posted Yesterday
I'll be signing their stock as soon as it comes in. If you want a personally inscribed copy, just let 'em know.

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Abe Frellman puts forth...

Posted Yesterday
Are your friends at Paperchain getting any, JB?

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted Yesterday
all good book shoppes, Abe.

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John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted Yesterday
Yep.

beeso mumbles...

Posted 9 hours ago
sweet

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Kmo ducks in to say...

Posted 24 hours ago
That'd be my holiday reading sorted then. Awsm!

John Birmingham swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted 24 hours ago
Kmo is my new favourite.

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Sparty asserts...

Posted 24 hours ago
strange on the amazon us store it still says "April 28, 2015." for the kindle version///

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Sparty asserts...

Posted 23 hours ago
Ah Amazon Australia did you really think it would be so easy to stop me.... Strokes chin.
Annoyingly it means I'm going to have to read the ebook on my phone rather than Kindle but atleast I'll have a "Monster xmas".

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Sparty would have you know...

Posted 23 hours ago
That oil-rig cover is good.
Sorry if i could avoid Amazon I would....

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Rhino asserts...

Posted 22 hours ago
Will this be HC or paperback? Amazon US has a price of $7.99 US. Booktopia has a price of $25.50 AUS. Is that really the price of paperbacks there?
Booktopia doesn't ship to the US of By God A. Does anyone know if any of the sellers on the preferred list do so?

Murphy_of_Missouri mumbles...

Posted 20 hours ago
The paperback in Australia is a thicker, larger book more along the lines of a hardcover minus, well, the hardcover.
Respects,MurphOn the Outer Marches

Lulu is gonna tell you...

Posted 14 hours ago
Rhino, that very often is the price of paperbacks here - I paid $30 for the new Naomi Klein book,

John Birmingham is gonna tell you...

Posted 13 hours ago
Yeah, Rhino, here's a dilemma for you. Follow the Sparty Protocol and get it early via Kindle, but at the vastly inflated Australian price, thereby supporting antipodean universal health care, union power etc.Or wait and pay a pittance to Amazon in the US.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted 7 hours ago
Damn you for using my impatience to seduce me into supporting - if not becoming part of - the antipodean experiment in godless socialism.

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w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted 14 hours ago
Is there going to be a three book omnibus edition?Asking for a friend.

John Birmingham reckons...

Posted 13 hours ago
Not planned at this stage. Probably not ever in print.

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Surtac reckons...

Posted 12 hours ago

Pre-ordered the e-version via the Big River. Hoping to see paper copies in the wild earlier, mebbe this weekend here in darkest CBR.

Very much looking forward to it.


John Birmingham ducks in to say...

Posted 12 hours ago
I know of a few places already have their stock in, but not on display.

Darth Greybeard puts forth...

Posted 11 hours ago
Tried all the local places and they're saying 1st Jan. Bummer.

Abe Frellman would have you know...

Posted 7 hours ago
Surtac, if you find one, could you sing out pls?

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Therbs has opinions thus...

Posted 12 hours ago

I'm just going to have a few beers at lunch after work on Chrissie Eve then go and hassle the stressed out Dymocks staff.

"Gimme that fkn monsters book wot Birmo wrote farken. Its got a bloke called Dave in it. Giss it now."
In fact I might do it this arvo. And again tomorrow, etc.

John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted 11 hours ago
Hahahahahaha

Bondiboy66 puts forth...

Posted 3 hours ago
And I shall be behind you, tapping you on the shoulder saying 'Hurry up fuckyaz, I wanna buy a book! Fucken!'

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Peter Bradley is gonna tell you...

Posted 11 hours ago
Sir you have your extra 7.5% from me. Don't spend it all at once!

John Birmingham is gonna tell you...

Posted 11 hours ago
You are also my new favorite

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Darth Greybeard swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted 11 hours ago
Look I know this is totally OT but it's Xmas and I think I know the weaknesses of the average burger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J7GpVQCfms
And yeah I know it's probably an over-egged fizzer but I really want one.

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Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted 10 hours ago

As much as I'd like so see more $$$$ going to the author, I am just not buying any more 3D books for reading, they just take up too much space and weight. My shelves are full at home with the acculated libraries of two lifelong readers and having had to pack up and move for the third time in five years enough is enough.

So I am sorry but I am buying the e-book by default through amazon since I want it soonest. Though if you want to tell me how many $s you won't get through this action I am happy to provide compensation - perhaps some cooler Melbourne weather being sent up Brisbane way.

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Blair Venn asserts...

Posted 10 hours ago
I live in Brisbane. Where is the best place to go to ensure I get a copy before Christmas?

Barnesm swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted 9 hours ago
Go around to Birmos place.

Lulu puts forth...

Posted 9 hours ago
Didn't he order extra-bitey Dobermanns to deal with just such a possibility?

John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted 8 hours ago
Hey Blair, I'll having breakfast and signing christmas copies at Avid Reader on 23 dec and Riverbend Books, again for breakfast, on the 24th. I'll also get into Pulp Fiction as soon as Ron tells me he has copies for me to sign.

MickH reckons...

Posted 2 hours ago
hey JB! what time at these bookstores mate, I will try and make one of them

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Bobette mutters...

Posted 9 hours ago
Hi Birmo,I am La Bobette, Lord Bob of Nowhere's only progeny. I am desperate to get a signed copy of Emergence for my fathers christmas present, will you be hosting any book signing events in Brisbane in the near future where I can purchase a signed copy? Cheers.

John Birmingham ducks in to say...

Posted 8 hours ago
Ms B, please see the thread just above.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted 7 hours ago
You do realize, Bobbette, that your father frequents this disreputable place so is likely to know what you are getting him for Christmas, yes?

Darth Greybeard swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted 4 hours ago
What a nice beard you have "Ms Bobette". If you were really the progeny of the infamous Lord Bob, you would probably be too busy slipping arsenic into his 200 litre Stoli barrel to find him a Xmas present.

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Abe Frellman ducks in to say...

Posted 8 hours ago
Ssshhh don't spoil the surprise.

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Petebowes mutters...

Posted 3 hours ago
You have a Tara Moss problem here with your fans here Birmingham ... I'll pass this saga, ok?

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted 2 hours ago
A what?

MickH mutters...

Posted 1 hour ago
I very much doubt whether you have ever read any of Johns books. You arn't a failed writer are you? I think you are!

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Petebowes is gonna tell you...

Posted 2 hours ago
Ok. I wrote a blogpost once about watching a guy speed read through one of her books in the Ballina RSL, the guy was on an amphetamine read looking for something about every twenty pages, then he'd slow down and enjoy ... then, boom boom, off again, who knows what he was looking for. Tara Moss found the post, got pissed off, jammed it on her FB page and about two hundred thousand of her fanfrocks came down on my site - both sexes. Tara Moss cannot abide anything negative about her work. She has an army of blind readers.Nice to talk to you Birmingham.

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MickH is gonna tell you...

Posted 2 hours ago
Oh Hi PeteB. It depends entirely on how you present your negativity. Saying that my writing belongs on the toilet wall is an example to me, anyhow, of not how to do it.
If you present a reasoned response as to why you dislike Johns work, you may get a better response. But fans being fans, anywhere, will probably resist it.
You arn't the bastard who called Johns wife a very naughty word are you? Because if you are you have lost all credibility on this blog and will never be taken seriously. But if you arn't, then feel free to be a troll, you won't be the first and most of the burgers love to dish it to a troll.

NBlob reckons...

Posted 39 minutes ago
Here Trolly Trolly Trolly Troll, We've got a nice blog for you to smear with your own runny turds.I hope you won't be too offended when we say it isn't as nice as the Mona Lisa. What's that? It's about your insight not the form? Well when one starts off with arsehattery rather than a preposition it's not entirely surprising.

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What would Putin do?

Posted Thursday by John Birmingham

If, you know, after invading a couple of countries his economy collapsed?

Totes reckon he'd be reasonable about it.

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Shifty Tourst asserts...

Posted Thursday

Bears can stop Putin.

Ukraninians can't stop Putin.

The EU can't stop Putin.

But the world has saved its most potent weapon for last.... the ecomomists. Sh*t just got REAL!!

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Aaron ducks in to say...

Posted Thursday
Uh oh, I can feel a live action version of a tom Clancy novel coming on...

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insomniac would have you know...

Posted Thursday
Is that the new Dave Hooper cover?

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted Thursday
It is now.

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Darth Greybeard ducks in to say...

Posted Thursday
When your economy tanks, there's one question every world leader asks: What would Putin do? Even Joe and and the Cormanator are probably asking it right now. I'm betting on:
  • a false flag attack on our High Commission in NZ (pelted with Kiwi eggs by SAS infiltrators wearing gumboots)
  • a deliberate ramping up of tensions (Australia renames Kiwi fruit to Freedom Gooseberries, refuses to lose to the All Blacks as scheduled)
  • Abbott demands the North Island as reparation
  • NZ refuses (after thinking about it seriously)
  • Australia invades NZ, Murdoch media goes wild, insists Abbott be appointed Prime Minister for Life and Editor in Chief.
  • NZ invokes the secret Treaty of Macao, China invades Australia.

Bangar mumbles...

Posted Yesterday
I'm seeing a downside to that chain of events.
PS stop giving the Rabbit ideas!

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insomniac mumbles...

Posted Yesterday
roflmao at "refuses to lose to the All Blacks as scheduled".


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Barnesm mumbles...

Posted Yesterday
Surely this is a spin on the questtion "where does a 800pound gorilla sleep"?

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Bangar puts forth...

Posted Yesterday
I may be off track here, but this about the Libs/Abbot and the direction of the Oz economy ... right?

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TeamAmerica ducks in to say...

Posted Yesterday
Putin has been following a 'salami' policy, anticipated in the eighties- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmAyNvl1imw
I hope he doesn't become even more aggressive to distract from his tanking economy.

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Rob is gonna tell you...

Posted Yesterday
dance mothfu**er Dance! https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OSHaVH9HhfI

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TeamAmerica would have you know...

Posted Yesterday
Here's a fuller version- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX_d_vMKswE

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Abe Frellman puts forth...

Posted Yesterday
If you ever do decide to write this one up, I have met the real life Russian Vesper Lynd, although she was not from the MoF. I would happily describe her accent to you and the way it changed ever so slightly when she wanted to speak in hypotheticals, as if to underline her prose. I would bet she is having a busier week than I am.

Therbs ducks in to say...

Posted Yesterday
Spy Nat?

Abe Frellman mumbles...

Posted 17 hours ago
No, an official from the CBR.

Abe Frellman mutters...

Posted 17 hours ago
It's been a busy year, it would seem... http://www.cbr.ru/eng/hd_base/Default.aspx?PrtId=mrrf_7d

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Rhino would have you know...

Posted 22 hours ago
WWPD?
Pretty much anything he wants.
I'm going to market those bracelets.
Do you Ozites know about WWJD bracelets?

Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted 15 hours ago
We are aware of What Would Jesus Do bracelets, from the people I have seen wearing them he would presumably wear pastels and look dissapprovingly at people talking on public transport.

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Defender90 would have you know...

Posted 21 hours ago
Old school Soviet method: "If at first you don't succeed, lie, lie and lie again"

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Quokka ducks in to say...

Posted 17 hours ago
Well Cuba sounds nice and they take credit cards now.

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Cartoons paused at just the wrong moment

Posted Wednesday into Funny by John Birmingham

Because sometimes you just need a duck boner.

Or a child protection officer.

Or a cigarette and a beer.

More here.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Wednesday
Fucking hilarious.

But it ruins my impression of Donald Duck.

Shifty Tourist mutters...

Posted Wednesday
Its the look he is giving to the "camera" which sells it. looks like suggestive, raised eyebrow smirk.

insomniac reckons...

Posted Wednesday
What sort of impression do you have of DD that could be swayed in a negative direction given he struts around in public without pants?

Spanner asserts...

Posted Wednesday
A duck does it and nobody cares. I do it at work and HR gets involved. Blah blah inappropriate blah harassment blah offending the customers. There is no justice.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Wednesday
Hahahahahahahaha!!! HA!

[the curmudgeon version of LOL]

Defender90 mumbles...

Posted Thursday
Not only is he sans pants but he's a sailor and we all know they're filthy buggers, they go from port to port.

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Barnesm mumbles...

Posted Wednesday
The ought to be a tumbler for these

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HAVOCK21 is gonna tell you...

Posted Wednesday
aLWAYS L;OVEd pok e mONS. ...just sayin!

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted Wednesday
My wife, Lori, said:

"Is this John's work? Tell him I am sorely disappointed."

Wimmin....

Abe Frellman has opinions thus...

Posted Wednesday
Did she not SEE the size of that thing's tongue??????

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pi mutters...

Posted Thursday
OT :

I'm moving house. That means, of course, packing all of the earthly belongings to sit in boxes for a few months, to be unpacked at some time in the future when I've had a skin-full, and I need a bit of therapy.

But I want to take issue with something, JB, and I'm hoping you can help out. What the FUCK is up with different book sizes? We have standard alain keys, standard bed sizes, standard door sizes, hell, we even have standard fuckin condom sizes. So how the fuck, after a thousand years of producing the things, have we not come up with standard book sizes?

And it's some authors worst than most. Larry Niven? Boss. Roger Zelazny? Boss. Hey I understand it's not good to speak ill of the dead, but Iain Banks? Non-standard, every one.

But he pales in comparison to Neal Stephenson and William Gibson. What's up with these fuckin guys? It seems that every fuckin book they produce is a different size?!!?!?!

Do you guys consciously do this? Maybe Stephen Baxter said "can't be havin people getting confused in the book isle with that noob. Better mix it up a little."

So it means that, when I get to my destination, because they can't be placed in the boxes in alphabetical order, because they can't be packed in any order, they spend two months in a box until I finally get the nerve to sink a skin-full, and to crack open the box, and yet again, place the books all back in the book shelf. And then re-order them again.

Way to get people to use amazon JB.

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted Thursday
As far as I know there are only three standard sizes. Hardback. Trade paperback and paperback. They address different markets. If you can't figure out which marketing pigeonhole you're supposed to be in I cannot help you.

Shifty Tourist is gonna tell you...

Posted Thursday

Pi, its a conspiracy I say.

The publishers are in bed with the brown cardboard box people. Authors, I take from JBs denial is clearly in on it. You see there is always extra, but unusable space, so an additional box is required. Leading to more box sales, which the box makers kick back to the publishers, which they use to pay they dues to the Illuminati (who use this money for their Pizza and six pack.... and world domination fund.

I say, wake up sheeple!!

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted Thursday
And now you must die.

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Anthony puts forth...

Posted Thursday

As someone who once wasted a year of their life working for a publisher there is (sort of) a rationale for some sizes. Manuals for example are usually standardised at US Letter size because they are frequently referred to.


Essentially though you are probably irritated with what's known as "trade size" - the larger paperbacks that won't fit on shelves. These are essentially the paperback version of the hardcover - same pagination and layout. That's what generally goes out for review purposes and thee days usually comes out at the same time as the hardcover.

It's also significantly more profitable than the normal paperback and if a book looks to be selling well in "trade" then the standard size may be "delayed" a while to take advantage of those buyers who purchase as soon as it comes out.

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The Siege

Posted Monday by John Birmingham

I'll be filing Blunty late tonight. I want to write about The Siege, of course, but I can only write about what's actually known and at this point that's not much.

One hostage taker.

An unknown number of hostages. Not all of them under the complete control of the gunman. Five escapees.

Unknown motivations. The Shahada flag is a prop, not a coherent manifesto.

Unknown demands, or no demands. (Except maybe for a new flag. Rolls eyes).

I'll file as late as I can, hopefully after a peaceful resolution. At which point I wish to reflect on the some of the know-nothing clowns who disgraced themselves and the profession of journalism today.

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Dave W asserts...

Posted Monday
I was at work, and actually working. Which know-nothing clowns and what journalim? Can I have the reader's digest version, please?

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damian is gonna tell you...

Posted Monday
I for one expect the hostage taker to come out in favour of ethics in gaming journalism.

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Barks ducks in to say...

Posted Monday
Don't hold back, JB!

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TheWah would have you know...

Posted Monday
That was beautiful, Dan. Every comment of theirs responded by you with evidence on how they were wrong.

she_jedi mumbles...

Posted Monday
Thank you Dan, that was a delight to read :)

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Quokka swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Monday
Remember that scene in Die Hard where Holly got to punch that dickhead journo in the face?
Wouldn't that be nice if life got to mimic art.
I think there's a few ABC noses that need bloodying for this, too.
Professionalism decidedly lacking in some of the tweets I saw from their journos. I expect it from every other media outlet, but not from our beloved Aunty.

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Legless mutters...

Posted Monday
Meh. Thought I'd left this crap behind when I left Britain, but no, now you have some wanker with a gun looking to make a name for himself over here too.

Regardless of the resolution of the siege, this clowns life is effectively over. He'll either but shot dead by the police, blow himself up or shoot himself. In the event he surrenders his life is still over. He'll be locked away for ever.

I really, really hope we can get through this without any loss of life - even his. My thoughts are for the hostages and their friends and family. I pray that everyone will get through this safely.

Then we have the Muslim bashing to look forward to. Right-wing pricks torching mosques or beating up anyone with dark skin and a beard. Some of my close friends are Muslims. Surgeons as it happens. They spend their lives fixing people and are some of the kindest and most peaceful people I know. But now they're going to be living in fear and waiting for the brick to come through the window. Country Victoria can be a tad harsh at times.

All of this because some git with shotgun wants to make some kind of point. Well he's made it now so he may as well just give up before this escalates. If the balloon does go up and he actually kills some people then it's his people - Muslims - that are going to cop the backlash. And that might include my friends.

I really am pig-sick of terrorists. I grew up with the IRA bombing us and, when we finally got that settled, we now have these Islamic extremists running around with guns, machetes and bombs. It's enough to make me weep.

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Nocturnalist would have you know...

Posted Monday
It's awesome.

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Legless would have you know...

Posted Monday
Just when despair was beginning to set in Australia goes and does something like that. Faith restored.

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NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Monday
Asshattery reached all new high today.
Having worked in News rooms I know the desperate need to fill the minutes, but I'll vote a walkley for the next journo who says "We don't know anything new, turn off the TV, go for a walk."

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Legless is gonna tell you...

Posted Monday
Reddit is going nuts. There's a few images of what's purported to be the facebook page of one of the hostages. In her updates, she's supposedly telling the gunman's demands. She also warns, at the gunman's request, that there's two bombs planted in Sydney and that his brothers will explode them if his demands aren't met.

The collective mind of Reddit seem to think these images are kosher but I'm not buying it. If it were true, and it got out (as these things inevitably do), then the country would go nuts that Abbott hid the fact that were two bombs in Sydney and he let citizens wander around without being warned. He'd never recover from that.


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T2 mumbles...

Posted Monday
Thoughts and prayers for all those involved.

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MickH would have you know...

Posted Monday
Arrrrgh!

10 hours of siege!
With uninterrupted coverage the whole time!
by ALL channels!
Arrrgh!

My brain!

Oh and has the dude won?
Yes!
He has effectively closed down our major city.
Why have they closed all the bridges? the trains? half the CBD? Told people not to come to work to morrow?
He is ONE dude with possibly a hand held bomb! not a FKN Nuclear weapon!!

NSW Police, please spell OVER-REACTION!
They have everyone there! the firies, the medics, the SES shit! I even seen the boy scouts wondering around!

And the talking heads! arrrgh! again!

"we are now switching live to our reporter at the scene, Maria Brain-dead. Whats happening there Maria?"
"Thanks Diphtheria, yes its all happening here! An entire battalion of ISIS storm troopers have taken over the entire Square here and are holding 30,0000 people hostage! Oh wait! i'm sorry news just in, its a squad of Jihad warriors and they have taken Kochie and the entire sunrise team hostage! no sorry again, it appears that an unknown number of murderous terrorists have taken over an unknown coffee shop, taking an unknown number of people hostage! Back to you Diphtheria!"
"Thanks Maria, after we show you 20 minutes more of police hiding behind a shield behind a door we will cross to a physiologist we found on the street who will tell us in 2 minutes about what the hostages are likely going through, what Stockholm syndrome is and how she wants to treat the victims for Post stress disorder. Now back to Maria"
"Thanks Dippy, I have found a witness to what happened, please tell us what you saw Muriel"
"Well I was walking down the street two blocks from here and I saw some police cars so I came up and stood over there for the last 2 hours watching the action."
"Wow that must have been exciting for you"
"oh yes indeed, it sounded like a freight train"
"What do you mean by that?"
"well, everyone I see interviewed on telly always says that, so I thought I'd better say it too."
"Oh I see, yes that's true isn't it. Thanks Muriel and Dippy, I've just got news that a police officer moved and one of the police dogs farted"
"Wow maria that's breaking news! More shortly on the unfolding dramatic story we now nothing about in a moment!"

:)



Nocturnalist asserts...

Posted Monday
That's almost a First Dog on the Moon script.

MickH mutters...

Posted Tuesday
My post above is meant to be a satirical whack at our idiot media. In no way was I trying to belittle the circumstances of the hostages, if my post seems a little cold hearted I apologize. My thoughts are with the victims families today

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted Wednesday
That's like me saying "just kidding" after telling someone that I admire racists for the depth of their conviction. It s goes without saying. We know what you meant, Mick. We know you were taking the piss. I certainly enjoyed it.

MickH swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Wednesday
Thanks Paul but some didnt

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BigWillieStyle is gonna tell you...

Posted Monday
As soon as I heard Ray Hadley had been speaking to those inside the Lindt Cafe, I thought immediately of the "Frontline" episode where Mike Moore speaks to a gunman during a siege. Despite being angrily chastised by police for sticking his nose in where it wasn't needed and potentially making things worse, Mike & his producer decide to chase the ratings, and a few weeks later Mike speaks to a gunman at another siege. After receiving confirmation that he's live on air, the gunman shoots his hostages.

Insufferable fucktard shock jocks like Hadley really anger me. Irresponsible, irrational, excitable, they do nothing in these situations but whip up fear and hysteria, all so they can puff out their chests and strut around like the tough guys they all longed to be in high school but weren't.

Nocturnalist puts forth...

Posted Monday
Yeah, and that episode was based on a real-life siege that had played out not long before, where the cops hadn't been able to get through to the gunman because the reporters wouldn't get off the phone. One of them - I think it was Channel 7 - piously said they'd done everything to co-operate, and then the phone tap tapes came out where you could hear the gunman telling the reporter to get off the line because he was waiting for the cops to call, and the reporter just carrying on yacking at him.

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Barnesm mutters...

Posted Monday

Over on twitter I saw this "Retweeted pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee):

*formatting glitch*

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Barnesm would have you know...

Posted Monday
"a breaking news story is an invitation to be stupid, which you are not obliged to accept.

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Murphy_of_Missouri mutters...

Posted Tuesday
My thoughts are with the hostages and their safety, naturally.

I'm pretty much biting my tongue per additional thoughts.

Respects,
Murph
On the Outer Marches

damian would have you know...

Posted Tuesday
Knock yourself out Murph.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted Tuesday
No, don't. I appreciate your discretion, Murph. As you undoubtedly realize, there is nothing noteworthy derived from comparing the Sydney tragedy with anything in the American experience. They aren't the same and are not similar in any meaningful way.

I am watching to see how our antipodean cousins react. I am interested to witness what, if any, political and safety theatre ensues.

dweeze is gonna tell you...

Posted Tuesday
Big Tones has just used the tERRORism word. I can now see the gummint using that to justify some even more Orwellian impositions on our freedoms. You folks in North Ameristralia already know that game well. One deranged, aggrieved nut job does something really stoopid and nasty. Then, we all end up paying for it.

Murphy puts forth...

Posted Tuesday
PNB, the behavior of their media has been pretty much in line with the sort of insanity we see with our own media during an incident such as this.

damian mutters...

Posted Tuesday
I completely agree Murph. Many, possibly most of our media are ignorant rat-fuckers constantly sniffing the air for their next combination meal and root. I dare say a few of your home-grown USian media are like that too, but it's a bit pointless to compare them. Ignorant rat-fuckers are pretty much the same everywhere Shirley.

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DrStrangelove would have you know...

Posted Tuesday
My thoughts and prayers are with all y'all "Down Under". Doc

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Murphy_of_Missouri mutters...

Posted Tuesday
May those who have lost their lives rest easy now in a place without fear.

Respects,
Murph
On the Outer Marches

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Spanner reckons...

Posted Tuesday
The Daily Tellegraph should be nominated for a Walkley for their 2pm Extra edition. It was truthful insightful and a credit to the journalism profession.

Dammit where is the sarcasm font?

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JBtoo mutters...

Posted Tuesday
I'm glad it's not just me

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pi has opinions thus...

Posted Tuesday
I don't watch the news. What have I missed?

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Brother PorkChop ducks in to say...

Posted Tuesday
Thoughts are with the those that were sadly murdered and their families and friends. I couldn't really care less about the journalism or what passes for it here these days, its shite all over, commercial or Aunty. But I am surprised someone hasn't yet apportioned blame to the Palmersaurus, Campbell Newman, Toned Abs, Julia Gillard, Ruddmeister or some other politician they don't much care for. Surely you could have a crack on something?

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Defender90 would have you know...

Posted Tuesday
Mrs T (yeahyeah, I know boo hiss) once coined a phrase about supplying terrorists with the "oxygen of publicity" and there's a bit of that here. He seems to have just been a twat with shotgun (as in: considerably less range than a rifle), the rest is just a self aggrandising sad git who probably started shooting a pathetic attempt to gain control over the situation he had caused.Anyway, let's not make this dick and his ilk out to be a crack IS operative or something is my point, nor should we allow them to shut down large chunks of our cities without good reason.

NBlob reckons...

Posted Wednesday
THe "Oxygen of Publicity" line was Margret thatcher's.

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Quokka asserts...

Posted Tuesday
I thought I'd be safe listening to the ABC in my usual routine - i.e. TV news at 7pm & 7.30 report & then I switch on 612 radio for news, traffic, weather & surf report.I switched off 612 when I heard Virginia Trioli auditioning for a spot with the Courier Mail.Ugh.

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Murphy mumbles...

Posted Tuesday
Given his record, a long one it appears, I do have to ask one question.

Why was he out on bail? Or more to the point, why was the bail made manageable enough for him to achieve it?
Respects,MurphOn the Outer Marches

Simon ducks in to say...

Posted Tuesday
i think a lot of people will be asking that question. But ultimately it is just another case of the blame game. Bail and the lack of it or poorly applied rule for it has been making it more into the media lately.

Murphy reckons...

Posted Tuesday
Granted, Australia isn't the US and vice versa. Nor do I intend to take this opportunity to "lecture."

However, someone with a record like that here would find getting bail to be very difficult. Only a statement, not a judgement. They are two different systems.

Simon mumbles...

Posted Tuesday
there will be some tightening of screws after this methinks.
With all the stuff out there about it i saw a few mentions about how the US would have handled this differently from woe to go. Like you said - despite all the claims of how similar we are meant to be, we are still different.
I'm just glad i've been able to screen out the worst responses. Although i did see on twitter those wankers standing around drinking wine out of a bottle and gurning away. Just have to take a deep breath and remember another thing i saw on there: "not all bogans are bigots, and not all bigots are bogans"

w from brisbane asserts...

Posted Tuesday
Yep, but the USA has less than 5% of the world's population and about 25% of the world's prisoners. In the USA, close to 1 in 10 adults are in jail. I don't think we want that here.
He was on bail because the Crown was considered to have presented a weak case.

Quokka mumbles...

Posted Tuesday
Murph, I heard this exact question being answered during some sensible questioning on the ABC & the legal guy said that there was a weak prosecution case for him being an accessory to his ex-wife's murder. He had an alibi & he was not present when she was killed.
He'd been walking the earth a free man for a year since then so to paraphrase that conversation 'A lot of water had gone under the bridge since then & none of the concerns that we have now would have come up in court even if there were tighter conditions for bail.'On Friday he was sentenced to 300 hours of community service for being a fucktard - i.e. for writing letters to the families of dead Australian servicemen which were a jumble of mental illness, ass-hatted ideology, and in very poor taste given that they were addressed to the grieving.
The summation was that there is really just no way of knowing when someone who is a whack job with a history of mental illness & domestic violence is going to blow.
I think most people are just chalking this one up as 'nut with a gun.'



Murphy asserts...

Posted Tuesday
Wasn't there six previous, separate charges for indecent assault against women?

Quokka mumbles...

Posted Tuesday
I think it was more like 20.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/details-of-man-haron-monis-numerous-court-appearances-revealed/5970678

damian would have you know...

Posted Tuesday
Murph, you might find some interest in reading about the Daniel Moorcomb case. An offender with a long history of violent sex crimes against young boys was released on parole after serving a handful of years for raping a kid then beating him unconscious and leaving him for dead in the boot of a wrecked car in the bush. He went on to rape, torture and murder a boy on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland, this several years ago and he was only arrested in the last couple of years. A lot of people are asking some very pointed questions about parole, bail and other things that have a community safety impact.
Essentially in Australia we've skewed to leniency in many ways at as deep a level as you might imagine for as long as you might imagine. Possibly a historical, cultural heritage thing. Better to let ten guilty men go free than to imprison one innocent and all that. I think most people here would see that as essential to our version of liberty.
There aren't simple answers to this. At least, if it looks simple it probably isn't an answer.

pi puts forth...

Posted Tuesday
It should be that hard. Electronic tagging for all people on parole. People aren't going to be doing squat if they know they're being tracked wherever they go. Extend parole lengths, and it's just too bad if you don't like it. Your choice is to stay in prison, or be tracked. When you've done your time, then you can get your tracking removed.

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Lobes mutters...

Posted Tuesday
Massive fuck up by NSW police letting those two hostages die. All we heard non-stop yesterday was how great and professional they are. I hope they take some time out from patting themselves on the back and jerking off in their Kevlar underwear to go to the hostages funeral. Fucking useless muppets. Give them anything more difficult then a drunk driver or some rowdy schoolies and they get completely paralysed by the occasion.

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Murphy mumbles...

Posted Tuesday
Going into a contested room? Not easy. They are great meat grinders. I learned that much in infantry training.
Without knowing more, I am not going to damn the cops for anything.
Respects,MurphOn the Outer Marches


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Lobes is gonna tell you...

Posted Tuesday
They had good intel from escaped hostages and eavesdropping tech. They knew who exactly they were dealing with and his MO. Just a complete lack of balls and appalling judgemt that they allowed it to drag on to the point where the hostage tried to disarm the gunman and was killed for doing the police departments job for them. Absolutely pathetic effort. Shame on the NSW police.

Lulu reckons...

Posted Tuesday
If the police had stormed the building earlier, I think there would have been at least the same number of deaths - probably more.

Murphy puts forth...

Posted Tuesday
Easy to say that sort of thing unless one was there and has had experience with that sort of thing.

Police are always going to err on the side of caution in such situations. Given the stakes, I can't say I blame them.

Lurky McLurk mumbles...

Posted Tuesday
Cops shoulda sent Lobes in. Let the real expert do the job.

damian mumbles...

Posted Tuesday
And the burger christmas award for the most stylish delurk evah goes to Lurky...

Spanner reckons...

Posted Wednesday
Yeah Lurky Wins at CBG.

Abe Frellman ducks in to say...

Posted Yesterday
I can think of an awesome prize. It was a pretty good de-lurk. But the thing is, the more that emerges, the more right Lobes sounds.

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Bangar has opinions thus...

Posted Tuesday
Is now the time for finger pointing? I don't think so, wait for cooler heads and all the information to be available before what was and was not done is examined.

Murphy puts forth...

Posted Tuesday
Fingerpointing won't bring back the dead.

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pi swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Tuesday
Friends,

Most people who know me know that I don't watch the news. I don't look at it on the internet. I don't read about it. I don't listen to it on the radio. If news comes on, I either switch the channel, or walk out of the room.

My partner? told me yesterday of the recent tragic goings-on in Sydney. I rely upon the people I trust to at least keep me vaguely aware of what's going on in the outside world. But as a rule, I don't even really want that unless it directly affects me. I reckon it'll be sweet if you all let me know that there's a tsunami wave going to hit in a couple of hours, thanks. I'm wondering if the news has ever provided this type of a service?

Unfortunately, that's not the way our news media works. Did the media make the lives of those poor people any safer? If anything, it is exactly our media that helped tip some complete nutter into a homicidal maniac. The way our news media works, is that they are preying upon either fear or a morbid sense of curiosity in people, probably in equal measure. They're doing this because hate, fear and tragedy (and of course, sex) sells. The only people who are winning in this market are people like Rupert Murdoch and his ilk.

So do yourself a favor. Do your friends a favor. Most of all, do your kids a favor. Switch it off. I can assure you, you'll be a lot happier, and the people around you will be happier. Amongst happier people, these things are less likely to happen.

Simon ducks in to say...

Posted Tuesday
i reckon that is a pretty good rule in theory - but should be moderated with some news.
I relate an issue i had myself recently: i live in a rural area and a one car family. However the bus runs fairly close to where i live on its way to another country town. The bus timetables were shuffled around by the state. When i found out about this (one week before they were due to change) i complained to the local member. I got given short shrift and the usual all smile no substance response: sorry for your troubles but we did put notices on local news, local newspapers and radio.
I felt like a bit of a bloody nong lamely replying - well i live in an area of no reception and don't have tv (and wouldn't watch that local shite anyway), i don't read the local paper (also shite) and radio is bloody terrible (usual commercial bullcrap of local ads with a small amount of chatty banter). AND you didn't put it on the website where i actually book my ticket!
So now i just have to catch a bus that gets me home an hour later than it usually used to.

Bunyip ducks in to say...

Posted Tuesday
I'm with you on this pi. Most news is just drama pr0n.

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HAVOCK21 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Tuesday
Yeah, given what they did have intel wise, ( Lobes is correct) they should have gone in earlier, I was surprised they did not. I was more surprised that the hostages had a crack and thats where recent events have had an impact on the physc of people. I suspect that a lot have thought about NOT doing anything on planes..perhaps and that letter the inevitable take place ( getting killed) is not going to happen without a fight. But I am speculating on that one.
As for the RETARDED FKN ARSEHATS that made me tune out from RADIO AND FKN TV THIS MORNING, THEN....OH YES PEOPLE!!!.. ITS GETS fkn MUCH MUCH MORE fkn ratard cos the dumb fks get to ask even fkn MORE STUPDI F K N QUESTIONS of the police post the event. FK ME. Collective stupid,. THATS THE OZ MEDIA!

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Quokka swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Tuesday
They've done that in other situations and it just made a mess.
I did hear one talking head on the ABC address this question and the answer made sense.
The police don't just have to think about this situation - they have to weigh up the risk of copycat scenarios in the wake of this incident.

If a gunman knows that he will be shot and killed at the first opportunity then there is very little incentive to release any hostages or to negotiate at all.
And when it happens next time (because there are always copycat crimes) the gunmen will learn from the mistakes this guy made.i.e. next time there will be no glass for snipers or reporters to peer through, no facebook updates, and no intel on what's going on inside the building.
As soon as it popped up on my twitter feed I just groaned & thought 'Well, that'll be four dead.' I figured that the police would try to negotiate releases of small numbers of hostages so that when crunch time came at least there would be less people in the room at risk of being shot than what there were when the siege began.
They have to think about the safety of the next lot of hostages for the next time a situation like this arises.
Using a sniper to kill a gunman might make sense in the short term but next time around it just means that the gunmen make it a whole lot harder to target them and a whole lot easier for them to pick off their hostages one by one while they upload the whole thing onto youtube.

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Therbs would have you know...

Posted Tuesday
Oi Spy girl!

Bangar reckons...

Posted Wednesday
There she is! Hi Nat

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Quokka asserts...

Posted Tuesday
Other than the even bigger news which is that Nat has crawled out from under her rock!Heya Nat.Long time no see.xxx

Mayhem has opinions thus...

Posted Tuesday
Howdy Nat!! Evening folks. Back in Brisvegas for a couple of days. If you wander over to the Avis desk at the airport, you'll notice a little puddle of me... I'M MEEEELLLLTTTING!!!

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Peteb mutters...

Posted Wednesday
getting a little sensitive are you Birmingham?

John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted Wednesday
Nope. I just don't leave garbage lying around to stink up my blog.

MickH puts forth...

Posted Wednesday
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MickH is gonna tell you...

Posted Wednesday
WTF?

Bangar ducks in to say...

Posted Thursday
Mick did you cut and paste? The blog doesn't like that.

Dan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted 3 hours ago

I know it's inappropriate... but sometimes I want to see the derpitude laid down by some of these tugmelons... just for the lolz...

Perhaps we can get a 'best of' somewhere down the track?

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john2 has opinions thus...

Posted Wednesday
Not that it excuses his actions but the screwup from the High Court in his case was pretty awful
http://citynews.com.au/2014/man-haron-monis-poison-letters-split-high-court-laid-bare-flaw-system/

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Wednesday
It is people like you that cause average punters to lose their faith in the judicial system. You are an agent of anarchy, sir.

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Peteb mumbles...

Posted Wednesday
Anybody who can write 20,000 words a week might have a problem with quality, some think. Garbage indeed.

John Birmingham mutters...

Posted Wednesday
And others might think that the opinion of some anonymous wanktoad on the internet counts for nothing.

damian reckons...

Posted Wednesday
Just so that I know... in the near future when I steal "wanktoad", do I attribute it to you or did you steal it from someone else?

damian is gonna tell you...

Posted Wednesday
Just so that I know... in the near future when I steal "wanktoad", do I attribute it to you or did you steal it from someone else?

Spanner has opinions thus...

Posted Wednesday
Sorry boss. Again I appear to have let you down with teh hammer of banning. At some point it appears he as moved from obnoxious to genuine madness and I missed it. Sigh.

John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted Wednesday
No, no, Damian. I was thinking momentarily about Peterb's occasional contributions here and the term 'wanktoad' arose in my mind as if by magic. Use it wisely.

damian is gonna tell you...

Posted Wednesday
With great power comes great responsibility.

MickH mutters...

Posted Wednesday
wanktoad, wanktoad, wanktoad,....sorry, just trying it out

Defender90 asserts...

Posted Thursday
It could become a new meme if we all push it... On second thoughts no, I do not want to see a gif of that.

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Therbs would have you know...

Posted Wednesday

So it seems from these comments that the judiciary and our police force are to blame. The cops should have taken sniper shots through thick glass windows, stormed the building earler and the nutjob should never have had bail conditions assessed under "non nutjob" guidleines. Interesting how an ex State Attorney General believes that even with the new bail guidleines there's a chance that he may still have been granted bail, given that there'd need to be a good case made that he wouldn't meet bail conditions. Bail is basically a guarantee that a defendant will show up for court, it isn't a sanction in itself.

As for wearing an electronic tag, it wouldn't have stopped him taking hostages. Its simply a tracking device, not a leash.

*points everywhere and yells*

"It's his fault, Guv!"

Lulu is gonna tell you...

Posted Wednesday
Therbs, I think this is what our American friends might call 'Monday morning quarterbacking'.

w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted Wednesday
The Dunning–Kruger effect is highly prevalent today.

pi mutters...

Posted Wednesday
> As for wearing an electronic tag, it wouldn't have stopped him taking hostages. Its simply a tracking device, not a leash.

Might have stopped him getting a gun though.

Therbs is gonna tell you...

Posted Wednesday
I reckon he'd have had the licence before he'd ever been charged with anything.

HAVOCK21 would have you know...

Posted Wednesday
Pi, the tracking devices should have FKN EXPLOSIVES IN THEM. That will fix the fkrs, you might get the odd Unauthorised discharge, but hey....shit happens.!

damian reckons...

Posted Wednesday
Havock beat me to it :)

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Shifty Tourist puts forth...

Posted Wednesday

Yes sad indeed. I agree the media coverage was disgusting and probably (or at least potentially) could have led to this being much much worse.

But should our critisim be entirely directed at the media per see, or at the consumer who "buys" it, creates a market for it. Are we expecting too much that the media ignore our most ravenous desires.

Why is it that we feel the media should be better... should be above it? Its a business like any other... why do we expect a higher level of ethics from one form of business, over any other form. Maybe media should be free? But if its not a commercial enterprise who buys all the journalists high quality cocai... uh... wizz fizz.

What about the ABC? Its not "competing" some would argue. But in this day and age that is simply not true. If it did not follow the commercial channels on this it would have copped criticism for not being relevant, not caring, etc.

People watched.... and watched in massive numbers. People choose the channel they watched because they wanted their "trusted" talking head wasting oxygen about how they felt. People watched to hear the wild speculations, they themselves were contemplating, validated by transmission.

Who is the blame? We (collectively) are to blame. What can we do? Probably not much... at least if we are aware there is a problem we might think critically about what we consume.

Quokka is gonna tell you...

Posted Wednesday
They'll have to review the role that social media played in this & how it hampered the tactical response by the police. I only watch the ABC and I was aghast last night when I saw 7.30 report play parts of videos that had been posted to youtube or facebook.
The police had asked that the media NOT circulate these and I would think that after the siege ended that ban should not have been lifted.
1. It provides terror porn to fuel others who are just as disturbed & intent on mimicking the gunman's behaviour.
2. It's a violation of these people's basic humanity.These are not the hostages voices that we're hearing - it's the gunman, playing puppetmaster. Essentially, when the media replay that, they are picking these people up like voiceless & powerless dolls & violating them in the same way that the gunman did.
Report what happened, yes, but don't replay it.
Perhaps it's just my perspective but when I look at this I view it as a violation akin to psychological rape.
It's bad enough that the madman was exploiting them & violating their right to make choices & to speak their own minds, without the media violating them further by repeating it.
Loss of control is a huge thing for trauma victims and these people will suffer further trauma down the truck from the knowledge that their humiliation was broadcast to the world.
This was one of this man's perverted goals - to humiliate people in public, presumably so that he could feel powerful after feeling that he had been humiliated by society. It's a kind of payback that psychologists call 'narcissistic wounding.'
I was glad to see that Fairfax had taken these videos down and I hope that others in the media learn from this and realise that by replaying these videos they are doing exactly what this madman wanted, and it is the last thing that any of these people needed.
I am ashamed of the ABC. I expect it of every single member of the gutter press, but not of aunty. I can't believe they had all those trauma experts talking on TV and it didn't occur to one of their journalists to ask an expert to explain why playing those videos was not in the hostages' interests.
the government needs to look into this. I think there should be laws in place so that in scenarios like this, the victims and their families can take legal action against the media if they go against the directives of the police & promote the goals of the terrorist.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted Wednesday
That was uncharacteristically long winded, was it not, Auntie Q?

Mayhem asserts...

Posted Wednesday
Long winded maybe, but IMHO, well said! Also can't handle the interviews with family of the victims. :(

Defender90 ducks in to say...

Posted Thursday
Well said Mr Q. All very very true especially as it backs up my "oxygen of publicity" comment from earlier.That said there is a tricky debate to be had of giving the terr's what they want v the costs of censorship, freedom of speech, the press etc. I have no easy answers.

Shifty Tourist is gonna tell you...

Posted Thursday

Well said Q.

But what do you do?

Regulate what and how the media reports.... people generally won't stand for that... also the media is pretty good a protecting their patch in this respect. Nor do I think we should, freedom of the press etc. (Although some regulation is necessary of course, defamation, national security, keeping Bolt from being a dickhead etc.)

Expect the media to self-regulate, act humanely/ethically in these situations. That would be the best option. But how can we reasonably expect they will, when consumers lap up the violence, sex and scandal so voraciously.

Unfortunately I can't help thinking, like the politicians, we get the media we deserve. Society has become like Veruca Salt. I want it now!!

So what do we do to make this better. Who knows, I'm at a loss.

At the very least I think agencies like the police need to get better a managing the media, including social media. Maybe the exlusion zone should hve been larger so nowhere had line of sight to the cafe or anywhere sensitive. Can they shut down mobile phone and WiFi coverage... or would that require WayneTech to achieve.

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S.M. Stirling swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Wednesday
It would probably be best to have a uniform protocol for hostage situations of this sort, to be followed unless there's an overwhelming reason to do otherwise, including a "losses suffered by following this procedure not the responsibility of officers in charge, but losses suffered if protocol is not followed are" clause.
The default scenario should be that the assault goes in as soon as the tactical assets are in place and the minimum of intel is available. Also the hostage-takers always fight to the death; ie., 'no prisoners'.
It's a war. You take your casualties in silence, close ranks and keep going.

Defender90 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Thursday
Yes Mr Stirling, but then you're a democratic, accountable politician explaining to the public WHY those citizens had to die rather than negotiating with Sheikh "I am a reasonable man" Humungous.

Shifty Tourist has opinions thus...

Posted Thursday

I don't have stats for his on hand, nor the time to research it, but I think you will find negotiating with hostage takers has usually worked historically. (Happy to be proven wrong).

Now whether that is still the case since Al Qaeda and ISIL became a thing, that is another matter. These groups usually are not seeking to release some captives and escape to Libya, but want the spectale of beheadings etc to shock and terrify.

But regardless, I think the wait and negotiate is still the best approuch for a number of reasons. If it works, no deaths, if it doesn't you delay the hostage taker will be less alert when the police do storm the building, because they have been sitting around for hours after the initial adrenaline rush has worn off.

Going in straight away has little to recommend it. The hostage taker will be on alert because they will be hyped up because they are at the start of the ordeal, not 17 hours later sitting in darkness. This means you will almost certainly lose hostages.

Another thing, the terrorist wants the spectacle.... wants the body bags. The
best result is for the hostage taker to be hauled off in chains, rather than a body bag after an assault on the building. The former is, for want of a better word, anti-climactic, where as the latter is the dramatic result sought. Essentially hauling him away to face a magistrate like every other murderer and rapist does not provide the terrorp0rn, which in turn will not inspire other potential hostage takers.

John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted Thursday
Good point, Shifty.

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HAVOCK21 ducks in to say...

Posted Wednesday
FKN HEAR HEAR!

Do we need to establish what sort of entry method we will use. I was thinking that a cannister round pocked in thru the front door might be good. Maybe something thermobaric. You will most assuredly get some civi casualties, but omelettes and broken eggs and all that. Collateral etc etc. At least like you say, the fks are gunna know they will meet god rather fkn fast! nand in FKN BIT too at that!

Mayhem mutters...

Posted Wednesday
Havs, I reckon if Mrs H or one of the juniors were in there, you'd be working VERY FKN hard to find a way to NUKE TEH FKR, without collateral damage.

HAVOCK21 mumbles...

Posted Wednesday
Mayhem, if MRS H was in there it wou;ld be the fkn idiot that needs protecting I reckon!.

Always love the sniper call sign: BAD KARMA!

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Quokka is gonna tell you...

Posted Wednesday
Perhaps you could save that for the gunmen who decide to take over a beer hall full of football fans. This guy didn't choose that, he chose his targets carefully for the pregnant mummy hour at a chocolate shop. No big surprise that several men managed to escape while he was conveniently looking the other way.
I think the police & their criminal psychologists made the right call, they knew him and they knew that he was a narcissist who liked attention & he liked to hear his own voice. He liked media cameras, and he very deliberately chose what he thought would be a soft target under the Sunrise crew's nose.



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Abe Frellman is gonna tell you...

Posted Wednesday
Some interesting points raised about protocols though.
I, too, wonder if Sept 11 (and specifically flight 93) has made people more inclined towards self-service (in this case escape, or heroics). It seems unlikely that we will ever be privy to the NSW Police's plan, but (based albeit in large part on media speculation) it seems as though the hostages made an attempt for freedom when the gunman started to doze. I find myself wondering whether the store manager ran interference as part of the plan, or whether he intervened when the gunman stirred and started shooting the escaping hostages.
I'd like to think I'd only be prepared to make a run for it if I was confident that the gunman wasn't going to shoot whoever I managed to beat out the door. (I'm deceptively quick over short distances.)

Abe Frellman ducks in to say...

Posted Yesterday
Although I am intrigued by the seven minute interval between the first shot being fired and the entry.

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HAVOCK21 reckons...

Posted Wednesday
And fkn why has some fkn nutjob NOT come up with a n ODOURLESS FKN SLEEPING GAS FFSAKES!

Barnesm mutters...

Posted Wednesday
It was tried in the Moscow theater siege in October 2002 and saw 130 of the hostages die as a result of the gas, never identified by the authorities but suspected to be a tranquilizer gas.
Honestly its not that easy to use gas on people and expect them all the survive here is the skinny on it, explained with snark.

Bangar puts forth...

Posted Thursday
The real problem is controlling the dose, a 100kg person will take a lot more than 60kg person to knock out and by the time those hardest to knock out are down the first down (who also act as canaries) are likely to be dead.

Shifty Tourist has opinions thus...

Posted Thursday
Yeah, more difficult than it looks in the movies. Its why anesthetists get paid so much.

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Quokka would have you know...

Posted Thursday
I don't think you can compare this to a plane being hijacked as in that case, nobody is coming to rescue you & in some countries you can probably count on it that the air force may well shoot a hijacked plane down in order to prevent them being run into buildings & causing massive civilian casualties.
I think it's more a case of the general public thinking that what happens in hollywood blockbusters is the way things work in real life. That problem being compounded by access to social media.
It will be a long time before we know exactly what happened inside that cafe, but I've already heard complaints from the police that one of the things they had to worry about was a call on FB for vigilantes to storm the cafe, since they didn't understand why the police weren't doing it.
If the police are trying to calm things down, and the hostages are exposed to social media calls for heroics, that might have added to the despair and desperation in that room.
I feel for the police. They've said that social media made it incredibly hard for them to contain this situation. They have negotiators who are trained to defuse and reduce conflict, but as we all know, social media is far more likely to polarise people and accelerate it.
It's just a pity that the police didn't have any way to disable access to social media from within the cafe. I'm sure they'll be working on that, after this.

Dave W would have you know...

Posted Thursday

Shut down the towers and any wi-fi. I think the old-school principle, according to the movies, was to wire into the phone network so that they have a fixed open line to the baddy. No-one else could call that line to influence the hostage-taker.


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Quokka puts forth...

Posted Thursday
It's only natural to be angry and distressed about this & its tempting to look a this in terms of 'Bad, shoot, kill.'But part of harm minimisation is the understanding that if you do shoot a gunman to pieces, you're going to harm the people that witness that because people who witness a violent murder - even if it does save their lives - are likely to end up with PTSD.PTSD is a life sentence of flashbacks, insomnia, reactivity, and a lot of disruption to your ability to work & engage in harmonious relationships. This is why the authorities consider it's in everyone's best interests that unless there's no other way of dealing with it, nobody gets shot.
I don't know how many of you have someone in the family with a mental illness, but I grew up in a single parent household with a father who had spent five years with the RAAF flying bombers over France & Germany. They were replacing those crews every 6 weeks and almost half of the guys that served in that part of the war died. Dad walked away from that seriously, seriously damaged. It's hard to know what his mental health issues were after that but it went far beyond ordinary PTSD. There were times when he was so disconnected from reality that he was just downright dangerous. Periodically he would go into episodes of self harm or homicidal mania. My grandmother (in Perth) and myself were the only ones who could ever talk him down from that. My mother & her family (all of them medical workers) had an extraordinary way of exacerbating his mania & even as a child I remember looking at them & thinking 'would you just STFU and back off & let me deal with this.'
My point being that when there is an element of mania in a hostage situation - and I don't think anyone doubts that this guy had some serious religious mania - there are people who are trained to deal with it.The hostage negotiators have probably gone into that arena because they have a natural gift for soothing things down, and they've honed those skills with professional skills training & psychological expertise.
If you are dealing with mania, you know that it runs through cycles. And it's a matter of riding out the cycle until whatever toxic brain fart has set it off has eased off & the parts of their brain that control logic & rational thinking start to light up again. That won't always happen & sometimes it ends badly. I had some very close calls with Dad & on at least one occasion I wound up in hospital afterwards. It's just dumb luck that I'm still here.
Unless you've lived with someone who goes in and out of mania, you can't imagine what that's like. But count on it - a lot of the time, if you have the right person beside them - you can talk them down.
Casa Q has some questionable dwellings nearby & over the years the police have had to turn up a couple of times to remove residents who've been off their heads on meth or in the midst of some very nasty psychosis. Having heard the police mental health workers talk them down through that, I have immense respect for the patience and the training that enables them to do their work.
I love the Die Hard flicks as much as the rest of you. But I know that's not how things roll in real life. That's just a happy fantasy that sells well because we live in a culture of fear, & stories like that make us feel powerful when in reality, we're not. We're all vulnerable & that's a difficult fear to face. The harsh reality is that the heroics that work in fiction don't work out so well when there's real bullets flying and you don't have a stunt double.

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Shifty Tourist is gonna tell you...

Posted Thursday

Well said.

I think events like this make us feel powerless. So we all picture ourselves behind the scope taking revenge on the hostage taker.

The number of times since it occured i've imagined wrestling the gun out of his hands and beating him merilessly.

But as you say, that is not the reality. A sniper, shooting from one building, into another building, at a moving agitated target will often miss. And then the hostages die.

A brave hostage wrestling with gunman, may save others lives, but probably won't make it themselves.

A swat team entering a building, through no fault, or lack of skill of their own, are probably going to hit hostages themselves.

Where is Rainbow 6 when you need them.

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Halwes would have you know...

Posted Yesterday

130 kids are murdered in cold blood after being taunted by terrorists and it's 3rd down the list on our national news. Where is the press generated outrage and horror in Australian society at this atrocity? We still have friends of relatives of the Sydney incident being interviewed as the press milk it for all it's worth. Where are the flower memorials for the Pakistani children who are on the front line of all this? Has our country become so insular that we can't see the the lack of proportion in our response to two adults dead at the hands of a madman and the planned execution of children by a gang of terrorist madmen. I think that our collective Australian response should be to hunt down and exterminate the child killers. I think that our actual response will be more domestic, freedom sapping laws for law abiding citizens. The government took my guns away after Port Arthur. I never pointed them at anyone and never had any problems in 25 years of ownership. I didn't complain much because it was happening to everyone and maybe we would get a safer society out of it. Now, every crook has got multiple guns and I'm not allowed to have one.

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A Time to Every Purpose, by Ian Andrew

Posted Monday into Book Extract by John Birmingham

Another ebook for your consideration, a pure alt hist this time by Ian Andrew. It has a touch of SS-GB, as you'll see from the chosen extract, but plenty of splodey in the later chapters. It's set in Nazi occupied Great Britain and turns on the Maguffin of a female scientist with a time machine.

Ian Andrew was born in Northern Ireland and joined the RAF as an aircraft technician. He was later commissioned as intelligence officer. I have another extract with some spodey which I'll run later this week.

She stood on the Mall opposite the entrance to Horse Guards and gazed along the flag-lined boulevard towards the Palace. A soft spring breeze gently billowed and caressed its way down the two parallel lines of red, white and black. The folds of the nearest flag shook out and the Swastika unfurled against the turquoise blue of a London sky.

As the ForeFone buzzed on her arm she looked away from the symbol of the Reich to check the screen. The unknown number icon flashed but she reached up to her earpiece and clicked the connect toggle anyway.

“Leigh Wilson, hello.”

“Doctor Wilson, it’s Heinrich Steinmann, I’m so sorry to disturb you on your weekend.” The language was English, the accent clipped, precise and stereotypical of an Ox-Bridge education. Yet just in his vowels there was the trace of mid-Germanic origins. Leigh’s senses sharpened. Mid-Germanic yet educated at the best universities in England normally indicated a particular type of Party operative. That alone would have made her cautious but the fact that she didn’t know who Heinrich Steinmann was added to her foreboding. As a Senior Government Science Officer her mobile number was not in any directory listing, yet here this stranger was calling her.

Leigh responded cautiously, “Guten Tag Herr Steinmann, Wie geht es Ihnen?”

“Thank you Doctor Wilson but English will be fine and yes, I’m fine too, thank you for asking. I was wondering where you were at present?”

“I’m sorry, but would you mind telling me who you are before I tell you where I am?”

“Ah, my apologies, I forgot. You’ve been on leave. I’m Sturmbannführer Lohse’s replacement.”

“His replacement? I didn’t know he was leaving.”

There was a momentary pause and when Steinmann spoke again his accent had softened, subtly. “No. That’s right. It was rather sudden. A family emergency in the Homeland. It would appear his eldest boy was involved in some... Mmm, unpleasantness, at the Munich Institute. We do all trust the Sturmbannführer will return to duty swiftly but,” he paused a beat before continuing, “as you can imagine, it will depend on the outcome of enquiries. Yes?”

“Yes, I see,” and she did, clearly. Although she had no idea what the unpleasantness referred to was, it didn’t matter. A Sturmbannführer in the Reich Security Directorate did not, could not, have members of their family being anything less than model citizens. Depending on what young Lohse had gotten himself into, Lohse senior was facing a halt to his career, perhaps a demotion or two or... She didn’t finish the thought. “So is it Sturmbannführer Steinmann?” Leigh asked.

“Well, no. Formally I suppose I am Standartenführer Steinmann of the Allgemeine-SS, Special Investigations and Security Directorate. But please call me Heinrich, as we shall be working together and I find formality so, um, formal.” Heinrich laughed lightly at his own humour.

Leigh felt a stab of adrenaline in her stomach. Her breathing had quickened and she could feel sweat running down the back of her neck. The temperature was a seasonal fifteen degrees Celsius, the normal average for London in May, yet her whole body convulsed in small shakes more associated with a freezing winter wind. She struggled for control of her voice.

“Oh!” she was high by an octave. She covered her mouth and coughed. Her mind screamed at her to get a grip on herself. She coughed again. “Excuse me Heinrich, my apologies. So, what can I do for you?” she knew he would have expected his title to get a reaction and she was annoyed at herself for allowing it to show so obviously. She imagined him smirking as he spoke again.

“As I said, I was just wondering where you were?” he asked plainly and without offering any explanation as to why he wished to know.

“In the Mall, opposite Horse Guards, I was going for a walk,” she answered quickly. Her mind shouted so loudly to calm down she almost flinched from the noise in her head. “Why do you ask?” she managed to say a little slower and a lot more calmly than she felt.

“Excellent, I’m so pleased to have caught you nearby. My apologies for interrupting your walk, but I was wondering if you could come into work? Just for a short while. We have a little query with regard to the experiment Professor Faber has left running and I’m afraid he isn’t available. I realise my request is terribly inconvenient on a Sunday evening but I would appreciate your input.” Heinrich spoke in such a non-confrontational, pleasant and almost charming way, that anyone with no knowledge of his professional specialisation would have felt flattered to be asked.

Leigh knew it was all just for effect. She knew from his title exactly what Heinrich Steinmann was and no one, not even the Chiefs of Staff of the Reich forces, would have turned down his ‘request’ for ‘input’.

“Of course,” she heard herself say. “I can be there in half an hour.”

“Oh no, please. Please allow me to have a car pick you up. Just stay where you are and we’ll save you the walk. I’ll see you shortly Doctor Wilson,” and with that he hung up.

The call had already disconnected but she distractedly pressed the end call button on the wireless earpiece. Continuing to stare at the Fone’s blank screen she played out the scenarios in her head. There was nowhere to run to and nothing to do but wait for the car. If, at last, they had finally caught up to her then the best she could hope for was a swift processing. At worst, if they thought she had information on others, then her next seventy-two hours would not be so pleasant. She reached inside the concealed double lined pocket in her light jacket and fingered the small gelatine capsule that nestled there. She would wait for the car. It wouldn’t take long to figure out what was going to happen.

If they travelled east to her work in the Todt Laboratories then maybe things were not as bad as she feared. Although there was a newly built detention facility in the compound she would know straight away if they headed for it. She would stay alert to the possibilities that Standartenführer Steinmann was playing a game with her, but she would wait. However, if they took her north-west to the Harrow Holding Centre, then there would be nothing to wait for.

Leigh smiled. For her thirty-five years of life she had worked her way through the system, gained academic honours and achieved a senior government role. She was a leading scientist on the most far-reaching scientific experiment ever undertaken in the eighty years of the Greater Germanic Reich, or arguably in the whole history of humanity. She had run a good race. If it ended now, well that was what God intended. If not, she would continue her work to undo everything; in His name.

***

Ah, what the hell. I'll throw the splodey extract in too:

The shaped-charge explosive that had been placed around the bay window detonated with a force that took all sound away.

Simultaneously the front door to Thomas’s house was blown off its hinges, the back door was put in by a leaden entry ram and all power was cut, taking away what little light had been in the lounge room. In a smooth, well-practised and much used manoeuvre the black-clad Kommando moved into the house through the ingress points. Three of the soldiers entered directly into the lounge room through the remnants of the shattered window and shredded drapes. Each man knew the target he was responsible for. After studying the surveillance photography for the last forty-eight hours and having watched the arrival of the targets that evening they knew exactly who was who. As they moved into the room they trained the laser sighting of their Heckler & Koch MP19 machine pistols onto the head of their designated target.

Four more Kommando entered through what was left of the front door frame. One covered the hallway and bottom of the stairs whilst the rest moved swiftly into the house, turned right and entered the lounge room through the door directly opposite the bay window. They also trained their weapons on their designated targets. The four Kommando personnel who entered through the back door cleared the empty rooms on the ground floor before moving up the stairs, clearing each of the bedrooms and bathrooms on the second floor. The securing of the six targets in the lounge room took less than fifteen seconds from the first blast. The rest of the house was secure in little more than a minute. It was swift, professional and brutal in its execution.

The six targets were not expected to put up any resistance. Even if they hadn’t been guided by their God, the friends could not have resisted. In the noise and shock wave caused by the initial explosions Thomas had his eardrums ruptured. He had instinctively crouched at the noise but had stayed up on his feet. As he looked through the dust and the swirling black shapes around him he could see Ben lying on the floor. A piece of window frame had smashed into his friend’s face and he lay bloodied beside the debris. Thomas looked left and right and saw the rest of his friends crouching like he was. Frightened, shocked, cowed in submission. Except Christine.

Christine stood tall looking down at him. In the faint blue-black light of dusk that was filtering in through the obliterated window he saw a smile on her lips. He tilted his head in a query and looked at the woman he had loved deep in his heart for the last fifteen years. She looked back at him and then down at the table. He followed her gaze but stopped as he saw the stain of red spreading across her shirt. What looked like a finely crafted crystal spear jutted out of her right breast. He couldn’t understand what he was looking at. He frowned and looked back at Christine’s face. She gazed into his eyes and then he saw her lips move.

“I love you Thomas.”

He watched as she began to fall but saw nothing else as his world plunged into black. He felt the hood’s fabric around his face and he felt his hands yanked behind his back and tight restraints jolted onto his wrists. He was pushed, pulled, lifted and then forcibly thrown down. He braced for a hard surface but felt the soft yield of a lawn. He lay still and tried to hear through deafened ears. Had he been able to see he would have been amazed.

The quiet suburban street was a changed scene from what was its norm. Three detachments of Special Forces had sealed off both ends of the road. They had quietly and with their normal efficiency moved all the other residents out of their houses. The cordon had been secured before the commander, Johan Lowther, gave the ‘Go’ order. He now stood and listened to the radio chatter from his Kommandos. A small, charred tear of curtain fabric fluttered silently down, twisted in the air and landed gently on Lowther’s lapel. He reached up and with a delicate touch dusted off his pristine uniform. The blackened remnant fell away and revealed again his subdued pattern, double lightning strike insignia.

“Building clear. Tango 3 unconscious from flying debris, Tango 4 is dead from a glass shard. Looks like one of the det cords on the window slipped and blew in the bottom left of the frame. Other targets secured and on way out now, your orders?”

SS-Sturmbannführer Lowther raised his right hand to the throat mike he wore and acknowledged the report.

“Good work and don’t worry about the det cord, it saves us transporting six of them. I don’t want to waste time lifting unconscious bodies, just finish it in place. Leave the corpses, torch the house. Escort the others to the transport. Liaise with the Fire Department so it’s only this piece of shit that is razed. The good citizens of Stanmore might object otherwise. I want you all up and out of here within the half hour. See you back in Northwood. Oh and Carl, remember to post the sign.” Lowther keyed off his mike and turned on his heel towards his transport. He knew the job had been well done and he was very satisfied. He also knew that his senior operators could look after the rest of the night’s necessities without him hovering over them.

SS-Hauptscharführer Carl Schern looked down at the slumped figure of Ben Stevens. He moved the sight of his HK-MP19 so that the small red dot of the laser illuminated on to Ben’s brow and pulled the trigger twice. He then nodded to his remaining squad members to carry out the rest of their orders. The main power switch was tripped back on so they could work with more haste. It also allowed his men to see what was worth ‘saving’ from the house before they set it on fire.

The kerosene cans were emptied throughout the upper and lower floor. Once done the final squad members made their way out through the remains of the bay window. Carl stopped and checked by radio that all his men were clear. He took a last look around and was about to leave when he saw the table in the middle of the lounge room. Its white cloth was soiled by dust and debris and Tango 4’s blood. But sitting upright on it, unharmed in any way, was the six-spoke wheel. He walked over to the table, picked the statue up, smirked and shook his head. He was slightly incredulous that something so fine and delicate and obviously very old could survive the violence that had been visited upon this place. Somewhere deep in his psyche he knew there was a bigger significance to the symbolism but he ignored it. He looked again at the statue and momentarily thought about pocketing it. He smiled as he remembered this little flimsy statue carried a death sentence for anyone found possessing it. The spoils of war were not that important. He dropped it on the floor between the two bodies and crushed it under foot.

Less than twenty minutes after the ‘Go’ order, the street was cleared of Special Forces, the remaining prisoners taken in the raid were being transported to the Harrow Holding Centre, the Fire Department were monitoring the blazing house and a sign had been posted on the front lawn:

This property has been identified

as a gathering place for the

Turner Religious Sect.

Its continued use is outlawed by order of the

Reich High Command.

All citizens are forbidden to congregate

in its vicinity on

Pain of Death.

It was the same wording that had been in use since the beginning of the Reich. It was the same wording that had been posted throughout the world from the German Southern African Colonies to the west coast of the German States of America to the east coast of Germanic Russia. The High Command boasted of two things; the sun never set on the Reich and the Reich never stopped in its hunt of Turners.

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Darth Greybeard is gonna tell you...

Posted Monday
DON'T read the Amazon reviews first. Deadbeat reviewers give away the whole plot, including the "surprise twist" without so much as a Spoilers warning.

John Birmingham reckons...

Posted Monday
Amazon reviews, like kommuntz in the media, are something I have left behind.

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Barnesm puts forth...

Posted Monday
Thanks loves me some explody alt time travel action.

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Barnesm mumbles...

Posted Monday

But what if I only have a limited budget for explody action books this Christmas, should I get this one or another book, perhaps with a title that rhymes with 'vengence' by a well beloved Australian Author?

Ian Andrew reckons...

Posted Monday
ahhh what a dilema you have put me in!! That JB fella has been so kind as to put an extract of my book up on his blog, so buy his as a thank you...... and mine ;)

Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted Monday
fair enough, will do

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted Monday
Mr. Andrews (if that is your real name), we will buy your book, but only because JB feathered it here. Ordinarily we tend to distrust anyone with two first names.

Anthony mumbles...

Posted Monday
They so often turn out to be shifty lawyers.

Ian Andrew would have you know...

Posted Monday
If I used my real surname you wouldn't believe me... Seriously you would think I was a creation of aforementioned JB :)

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted Monday
I already suspect that.

The Interwebs is a place of lies and skullduggery.

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AuntyLou reckons...

Posted Monday
Fine! I bought yet another book because of this joint! My long suffering husband is going to ban me if I am not careful. It is not so much the spending of the hard earned dosh...more the fact that I insist on sharing the experience by the reading aloud of vast passages for which he has no background.....sigh....( it is perfectly ok if you all feel suitably sorry for the poor bastard at this point - I won't take it personally)

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she_jedi would have you know...

Posted Tuesday
Alt history explodey Nazis? Shut up and take my money.

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Defender90 is gonna tell you...

Posted Tuesday
"Drapes" = curtains here in the UK and the "Fire Department" is the Fire Brigade.

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Sparty would have you know...

Posted Tuesday
apparently a film version of SSGB is finally off the ground

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Guy swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Wednesday
Given JB's enthusiasm, I've just bought the book. I hope I will be able to say the same about the next Stalin's Hammer soon? It's been a while...

John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted Wednesday
*hangs head in shame*
Yes. Yes it has.

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sibeen asserts...

Posted Wednesday
About half way through this tome and must say I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

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Surtac mutters...

Posted Wednesday

I've bought a copy for the summer reading stack. I like this particular sub-genre.

Can't remember if I recommended 'Dominion' by CJ Sansom before - it's a similar alt.hist of Great Britain succumbing to the Nazis in WWII, and well worth a read imo.

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S.M. Stirling would have you know...

Posted Wednesday
Could have done without the really strange religious stuff; it didn't seem to add anything.
Specifically, human beings don't stop acting like human beings because they convert to a religion which tells them they should.
Eg., Buddhists aren't much more pacifistic than other people.

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Posted Wednesday
I agree, they don't stop behaving like human beings but if the whole society and education system aims to make the state and its people pacifistic then it can happen. Japan and Germany after the real WWII come to mind. Martial societies turned on their head in one generation. The point of the religion was to speculate on what would have happened after 100 generations :) Hope you enjoyed it otherwise :)

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Wednesday
"Could have done without the really strange religious stuff"

That is, without question, the funniest thing I've encountered all year. You are a fucking hoot, dude. I will never forget this moment.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted Wednesday
And Ian Andrew - I still don't think you exist.

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Ian Andrew asserts...

Posted Yesterday

Aww.. I really do. I even have a blog where I occasionally write poems about Chihuahuas, I mean who would make that sort of s**t up!! Come see at www.viewsfromtheridge.com and we can talk about which religion doesn't have weird stuff....<o:p></o:p>

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Darth Greybeard mumbles...

Posted Yesterday
Has the Chihuahua been properly studied?
Do we even know it's a dog?
Or was it genetically muddied,
just to leave us all agog?

Jurassic World might have made it,
from a coyote and a rat.
But it's hard to see a reason
for a hideous thing like that.

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Cover art (Australian) for Ascendance

Posted Sunday by John Birmingham

I very rarely quibble with cover art. Who the hell am I to question other people's art? But with the original version of this cover I felt it need just one more SPLOSION.

Anyone guess which boom-boom got added?

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Darth Greybeard is gonna tell you...

Posted Sunday
Might as well be Liberty. No one listens to her any more.

Murphy reckons...

Posted Sunday
Look up the Alien and Sedition Acts of the John Adams Administration. Why, the ink was barely dry on the Bill of Rights when those two came down the pike.

Respects,
Murph
On the Outer Marches

Darth Greybeard swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted Monday
Bring back the Democratic-Republican Party! Zombie Jefferson for President!

Murphy has opinions thus...

Posted Monday
Jefferson, my friend, was frequently a hypocrite on many issues.

Bringing him back would not be optimal.

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Spanner has opinions thus...

Posted Sunday
Waterfront. Bottom right from the base of Liberty. Cluster of small splosions.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted Sunday
Is late to blow up that center building with the pointed roof? I hate that building.

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w from brisbane is gonna tell you...

Posted Sunday
Tough question. If I had to guess, I would toss up between 2 competing artistic strategies.

1). The stupid author :) wants another bloody explosion. Fk him, eat this. :- The big one on the left.

2) The stupid author wants another bloody explosion. Fk him, no. :- The last little one on the right at ground level.

insomniac mutters...

Posted Monday
I concur with w's number 1. It seems a little bigger and brighter than the rest.

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GhostSwirv is gonna tell you...

Posted Sunday

Since The Almighty Grey has already suggested the wind up Ms. Liberty's skirts might I venture JB that you added a splosion on the corner of Garfield and Communipaw Aves - but why you want to blow up the Tsigonia Paint and Hardware store is beyond me?

GhostSwirv

Over and out to contemplate green nature sticklets and my beloved's need to Victorize them.

NBlob has opinions thus...

Posted Sunday
Mr, Mz or Mr Swirve
I take issue with this "The Almighty Grey" nonsense.
We are generally a pretty broad minded & tolerant mob, but there's always one who'll take things too far.


Darth Greybeard would have you know...

Posted Sunday
Smart, that GhostSwirv. Well worth listening to.

NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted Monday
Unlike your stories. "We wore onions tied to our belt as was the fashion of the day. Brown onions, we couldn't get white onions because I the war..."

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Blarkon mutters...

Posted Sunday
's kinda a pity that the cover doesn't have a tentacle rising from the water that has grabbed a ferry and is using it to bludgeon the statue of liberty while getting strafed by A10s.

NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted Monday
+10

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Murphy has opinions thus...

Posted Sunday
That would have been a great cover for After America.

As it stands, it will be a great cover for Ascendance.

Respects,
Murph
On the Outer Marches

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S.M. Stirling asserts...

Posted Monday
Shiny!

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HAVOCK21 asserts...

Posted Wednesday
not so sure about the cover art here: http://www.randomhouse.com/book/221587/ascendance-dave-vs-the-monsters-by-john-birmingham
In factr, Id cap the fkr who came up with it. BLOODY HE:LLL!

w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted Wednesday
Isn't that Sinbad the Sailor? Wow! I've got to read this book.

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