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All of the terrible things Hillary Clinton has done

Posted February 8, 2016 into Politics by John Birmingham

In one long list by Brett Arends, a reporter who'd been covering her his whole adult life. There are 66 of them. I tried to restrict myself to the fair use of just ten and a link but I couldn't help it. 1-22 below. The rest at the end of the jump.

1. When she was first lady, she murdered White House lawyer Vince Foster and then dumped his body in a park.

2. She drove Vince Foster to commit suicide through her temper tantrums.

3. She was having an affair with Vince Foster.

4. She’s a lesbian.

5. Chelsea isn’t Bill Clinton’s child.

6. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up that she once bought a tract of undeveloped land in Arkansas and lost money.

7. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up her role in firing the White House travel department.

8. After she murdered Vince Foster, she ransacked his office in the middle of the night and stole all the documents proving her guilt.

9. When Bill was governor of Arkansas, she was a partner in the state’s top law firm, and it sometimes did work involving the state government.

10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she’s a crook.

11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she’s a crook.

12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.

13. The personnel murdered at Benghazi make her the first secretary of state to lose overseas personnel to terrorism — apart from Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, George Schultz, Dean Rusk and some others.

14. Four State Department staff were murdered at Benghazi, compared with only 119 others murdered overseas under every secretary of state combined since World War II.

15. She illegally sent classified emails from her personal server, except that apparently they weren’t classified at the time.

16. She may have cynically wriggled around the email law by “technically” complying with it.

17. She once signed a lucrative book contract when she was a private citizen.

18. Donald Trump says she “should be in jail,” and he’s a serial bankrupt casino developer in Atlantic City, so he should know.

19. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay says his “law-enforcement sources” tell him she is “about to be indicted” — and if a man once convicted of money laundering and conspiracy doesn’t have good law-enforcement sources, who does?

20. She’s a hard-left radical who wants to break up the nuclear family.

21. She’s a conservative “mousewife” who refused to break up her own family.

22. She’s in favor of single moms.

23. She refused to be a single mom.

And the rest are here at Marketwatch.

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Barnesm swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 8, 2016
I heard she shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

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WarDog has opinions thus...

Posted February 8, 2016
And she shot the sheriff

Nocturnalist ducks in to say...

Posted February 8, 2016
And the mainstream media refuse to investigate her obviously false claim that she did not shoot the deputy.

JG ducks in to say...

Posted February 10, 2016
Can't get that song out of my head now. Not up on US politics, but it's a pity Obama has to go. Seems like the best President the US has had in a very long time.

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GhostSwirv mumbles...

Posted February 8, 2016
Hillary Clinton secretly defaces storefront mannequins wearing blue sequinned dresses.

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NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted February 8, 2016
Shot through the heart and she's to blame.

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Barnesm has opinions thus...

Posted February 8, 2016
I think her real name is Keyser Soze.

GhostSwirv reckons...

Posted February 8, 2016

No I am Keyser Soze ... and so is my wife!


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SZF has opinions thus...

Posted February 8, 2016
Hillary Clinton, like David Warner, likes Nickelback.

dweeze puts forth...

Posted February 9, 2016
And a worse insult was never given.
Nickleback ... eeewwww!!

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Churba asserts...

Posted February 8, 2016
I recently found this conspiracy theory (Or would it be a group of conspiracy theories? Is there a collective noun for conspiracy theories?) that was basically just a list of all the people the Clintions, primarily Hillary, had supposedly killed. Or rather, called in hits on.

That would be unremarkable, if not for the number and breadth of people it suggested: One hundred and seven people, ranging from military generals, to bodyguards, to journalists, to John F Kennedy Jr(not kidding) to that MI6 bloke stuffed in the Duffel bag(Also not kidding).

One of them was a White house chef - Why the fuck are they bumping off white house chefs? Who knows! No explanation offered. Maybe he buggered up the confit duck, maybe he tried to knife-fight Bill on the back lawn, we'll never know.

Here's an archive of the page, so you can see for yourself.

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Sparty is gonna tell you...

Posted February 8, 2016
Well she will one day be "America's most uncompromising wartime president", so I would expect nothing less!

Birmo - what was the uncompromising thing she did in the back story of the AoT?
I always imagined Bill got himself kidnapped by terrorists and she let him die, and then nuked them.

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insomniac mutters...

Posted February 8, 2016
Hilary totally framed Monica Lewinsky after Bill got seamonkeys on his little blue dress

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted February 9, 2016
I detect ridicule. Does it matter that Bill was wearing that blue dress? Every now and then, even a red blooded heterosexual man wants to feel pretty.

insomniac ducks in to say...

Posted February 9, 2016
The problem was much less about the proclivities of the man, and much more to do with him being a slob and not taking care of his pretty things.

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MickH mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
Wow! I didn't realise all these things were true!!Thanks JB. I won't vote for her

pitpat swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 9, 2016

Yeah I'm not gonna vote for her either.

Nor that Sanders dude- smells like teen chicken

Nor that Brass guy like who'd vote for a bankrupt

Not that Cruise dude - his religion and my lack of religion just won't mix. Oil and water

Shrub mark 3 nope - I mean the re-make with Shrub Jr went nowhere good so I can't see myself wanting to sit down to 4 years of B grade acting

The Rube - well I think he says it all himself again and again.

Bugger it I don't think I will vote for any of them

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Lulu puts forth...

Posted February 9, 2016
She broke up The Beatles.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted February 9, 2016
She dials Directory Assistance for phone numbers she could easily look up on the Internet.

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Nocturnalist has opinions thus...

Posted February 9, 2016
She carried out a scurrilous campaign of false accusations against the boogie, while covering up serious questions as to the culpability of the sunshine, the moonlight and the good times.

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Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted February 9, 2016
Do we really want to give this stupid fuck a third term?

I always wondered how they'd get around term limits. Now we know.

I don't really care if any of it is true or not. Her contempt for the military is legendary, and I suspect, not on this list. Her two faced nature, her habit of being the most unpleasant person on the planet to deal with outside of North Korea, is fairly well known to those who pay attention. The situation in Libya, frankly, leaves me cold.
Give me another four years of Obama before we have even one more day of the fucking Hillbillies of Dumbfuck Arkansas.





Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted February 9, 2016
Do we really want to give this stupid fuck a third term?

Don't come the raw prawn with me, mate. We both "Mericans. You know the answer to your question.

It all depends on the stupid fuck she ends up running against.

If she is the lesser of two evils, she gets my vote.

But I promise you, I won't inhale.

Murphy_of_Missouri swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 9, 2016
No, I'm voting for Deez Nuts if she gets the Democratic nod.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted February 9, 2016
Again, it all depends on the moron the idiots choose to run against her.

SZF reckons...

Posted February 9, 2016
I find it astonishing that, given the GOP field of loons, you guys look set to vote for yet another member from one of two "aristocratic" families. That'll make 28 of the 36 years post-Reagan (assuming Hillary serves 2 terms).
Didn't you fight a war to get rid of that sort of thing...?

Murphy_of_Missouri mumbles...

Posted February 9, 2016
I keep asking that same question, man.

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Dave W mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
She sawed the legs off the periodic table

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insomniac puts forth...

Posted February 9, 2016
She ate an onion.
She proclaimed coal as good for humanity.
She knighted Prince Phillip.

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jennicki swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 9, 2016
Oh how I love you, PNB.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted February 9, 2016
That's because I am so fucking lovable.

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Shifty Tourist mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
I hear she stands on the right hand side of the escalator.

Shifty Tourist asserts...

Posted February 9, 2016
The left side is for standing... the right side is for walking. There a special cells in the Hague for people who stand on the right side.

Trevor swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 23, 2016
Wow, I didn't realize that everything was different in America. In the US, we stand on the right and walk on the left. Just like we stay to the right on sidewalks, etc.

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Murphy_of_Missouri has opinions thus...

Posted February 9, 2016
You know, at the risk of getting fisked by a Monty Python Skit, what has Hillary Clinton actually accomplished?

I mean, can we even claim aqueducts, or wine, laws, or something?
I'll wait for John Cleese to show up and answer my question.

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Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted February 9, 2016
I'm skimming the wiki entry, you know, just in case I missed something.

But the record reads like one consistent fuck up after another. As Secretary of State? A disaster. As a carpetbagging Senator, frankly, a fairly lackluster record.

But you know, I'm fairly biased. I fucking hate the Clintons with an everlasting passion that I've never been able to muster for Barrack Obama. Can any of you point out one positive thing that idiot has done in her political career?
I'll wait.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted February 9, 2016
Actually, considering the geopolitical mess she inherited from Bush, she was an unusually good Secretary of State. We will never be able to repair what Bush broke, but she did as much as could be done. The US is in far better geopolitical shape than I expected we would be at this point in time, and H. Clinton gets the credit for that.

Murphy_of_Missouri ducks in to say...

Posted February 9, 2016
We are? Honestly, Boylan?

Syria? A mess made worse by this administration. Pulling out of Iraq didn't help matters.

Libya? A mess. Can't lay that one on Bush.

North Korea? Still a mess.

Iran? Granted, Kerry drove the last bits of the deal, but also a joke.
Are you saying that everyone liked us once we got a Democrat in the White House? And that Clinton was Sec of State? Is that all it took to get everyone to friend us again on the International Facebook?
I didn't think it was possible to find one worse than Albright but somehow we managed to do just that.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
Yes, we are. Honestly. And I say that very, very reluctantly.

I do not want to vote for her the same way I did not want to vote for Obama. But I may do it - just like I voted for Obama - because the GOP might provide me with an option I cannot accept.

McCain is an old man with a bad heart. He became unacceptable as a presidential candidate the moment that a vote for McCain placed Sarah Palin one heart attack away from the presidency.

Romney was just dumb. Don't tell me he wasn't. He was abysmally stupid. I once voted for a stupid man who became president (George Bush). I thought "the presidency isn't that important; how badly can Bush screw up?" Don't get me started on the global disaster that was George W. Bush. I will rant until your ears fall off and your eyes bleed. All I will say is that I will never vote for a stupid person again. I am never going to make that mistake again. Never.

There are not stupid candidates in the running for the GOP nomination. If any of them get the nomination, I will vote for them. But if it is Hillary up against Trump or Cruz, I am so sorry, but I am going to vote for Hillary.

But I will not inhale.

Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted February 9, 2016
Obama in 2012 I could handle.

A Clinton? Any Clinton? Never.
I think she could easily surpass Andrew Johnson as one of the worst presidents in history.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted February 9, 2016
Murph, Murph... why do you hate America?

Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted February 9, 2016
People voted for Bush precisely because Molly didn't like him.
I know I did. It is a Red State thing, to spit in Molly's eye like that.

DarrenBloomfield asserts...

Posted February 10, 2016
from fivethirtyeight:
Another sign of how painful this nomination process is likely to be for Republicans, and how Democrats’ predicament isn’t quite the same:
According to exit polls, only 48 percent of New Hampshire Republican voters would be pleased with Donald Trump as their nominee. Trump fared better on the question than Ted Cruz (38 percent) and Marco Rubio (40 percent), but nonetheless, Republicans who did not vote for Trump would have trouble with him as their nominee by almost a 3:1 margin.
By contrast, 64 percent of New Hampshire Democrats would be happy with Hillary Clinton as their nominee, while 78 would be happy with Sanders.

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robW mumbles...

Posted February 9, 2016
JB, the big spooky thing here is that you got it right in AoT. They really will name an aircraft carrier after her. Just wait and see.
Oh, and you will also get to see Murphy go into an apoplectic fit, possibly swallowing his tongue, when it does happen. It will be a red state thang. They will all be swallowing their tongues, if not talking in tongues and reciting scripture, turning purple in the face and kicking their heels, hanging themselves from the nearest yardarms or, not having any of those, oak trees.
Meanwhile the USS Hillary Clinton will be doing whup-ass in multiple time zones. She has taken two generations of assault from arch-conservatives, conspiracy theorists, and weird right wing-nuts and she keeps on tick'n. Personally I don't have a dog in the fight, but love watching the wing-nuts go after her and lose, like rat terriers going after a weasel and only getting the tail--invariably they are rewarded by getting their noses bitten off.

Murphy_of_Missouri would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016
Thirteen years too late.
Do better.

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Dave W would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016
I heard that when she drives she never, ever, uses the indicator before making a turn.

GhostSwirv has opinions thus...

Posted February 9, 2016

Oh no she indicates alright ... she just doesn't go that way!

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ShaneAlpha has opinions thus...

Posted February 9, 2016
Like I said on twitter the other week.
I'm looking forward to the Presidential race between the female android married to the disguised space alien and the insane genetically engineered carrot.
Welcome to the future Earthlings!
The real fear is that America will vote Trump just to see what happens.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 10, 2016
I consider myself a reasonably intelligent, prudent, informed voter. I, myself, am tempted to vote for Trump just for the hell of it.

This is a sure sign that something really terrible has and is happening in our body politic.

Shifty Tourist mutters...

Posted February 10, 2016
Its essentially the equivalent of placing a big red button in the middle of Martin Place, with big sign on it that says "Warning! Doomsday device. Do not press button".
I'd give it to lunch before we'd be destroyed.
The same principle applies to Trump.

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Sudragon ducks in to say...

Posted February 9, 2016
It's Kang vs. Kodos.

Again.

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DarrenBloomfield is gonna tell you...

Posted February 10, 2016
She's still the best Secretary of the Navy the (alternate history) US has ever had.

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BigWillieStyle is gonna tell you...

Posted February 10, 2016

@ Murph & Boylan

Cheer up, fellas! I, for one, thoroughly enjoy observing the procession of psychopaths, zealots, narcissists and bigots that your country puts forth as Presidential candidates every four years. And this time, I get the impression that, regardless of who takes over the lease at the White House, there will be a new spirit of rampant bi-partisanship and affection in Congress. You mark my words.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted February 10, 2016
Thank you for that. I feel right as rain now. The glass isn't 7/8ths empty: it is 1/8th full!

Okay, maybe 1/16th. But that is beside the point. The point is that there are reasons to cheer up.

BigWillieStyle mutters...

Posted February 10, 2016
I think Our Tony Abbott is still waddling his way around the US at the moment, as his search for meaning and validity continues. Has Congress ever considered appointing an official House Jester? With his predilection for eating raw onions, uncanny ability to say dumbfuck stuff at precisely the right time, reptilian façade, and penchant for getting around in fluorescent lycra, Cap'n Stupid would fit the bill nicely. See if he can get a start at one of those GOP Comedy Debates.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted February 10, 2016
Has Congress ever considered appointing an official House Jester?

Yes. I applied for the position, but was rejected. The leader of our
Orange-Americans, John Boehner (pronounced "Boner") was chosen instead
of me. Big mistake. He has the comic timing of a fucking toad. He was
chosen because he is orange. Being orange isn't funny. And crying on
demand gets real old real fast.

Now Paul Ryan has the job. I am optimistic he will be really, really funny.

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Why the Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire Primary matters

Posted February 3, 2016 into Politics by John Birmingham

From PNB, in the thread below. Worth extracting:

They matter because they are the first states where real people have to make an actual decision, and because of something elusive and possibly illusory that is coveted by the political class called "momentum" - aka "the Band Wagon Effect."

The people in Iowa who find Ted Cruz appealing are fundamentalist pseudo christian neo fascist under educated corn farmers who want nothing more than to replace American civil law with Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Ted Cruz pretends to be an fundamentalist pseudo christian neo fascist who wants to replace American civil law with Leviticus and Deuteronomy. And he pretends to admire corn farmers.

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BigWillieStyle swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 3, 2016

Ta Paul. So, essentially, Ted winning the Iowa caucus does not automatically result in him getting Iowa's vote at the National Convention. More of an opportunity for him to gain momentum, raise more money, and possibly call for the firebombing of a couple of abortion clinics.

Don't know a great deal about Iowa, other than it's where Bill Bryson comes from, and he seems fairly normal. Mind you, it's also where Kevin Costner heard voices emanating from his cornfields, so he decided to raze his crops to the ground and build a baseball field instead. Maybe that gives an insight into the mind of your average Midwest farmer. Ted's ascension makes a lot of sense now.

What is it about conservative parties elevating prehistoric, fundamentalist, zealot nutbags? We gave one of them Australia's top job a couple of years ago, and the country's been wandering around in a daze ever since.


Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted February 3, 2016
No, it does mean he gets Iowa's delegates.

The Republican and Democrat national conventions are something of an illusion. For the most part the delegates are not free to vote as they wish: their votes are set by the state and regional primaries. This started in the 1970's with the intent that it allow for more democracy. Before that the candidates were selected at the convention through an amazingly beautiful and complex system of deal making.

In Iowa, the popular vote totals are interesting, but not really important. Delegates to the National Conventions are awarded based on who wins at each of the many caucuses and the number is different for Republicans and Democrats.

For example, at this last Iowa caucus extravaganza the Democrats awarded delegates as follows:

Candidate Percent Delegates
Hillary Clinton 49.9% 22
Bernie Sanders 49.6% 21
Martin O'Malley 0.5% 0

The Republicans did it this way:

Candidate Percent Votes Delegates
Ted Cruz 27.7% 51,649 8
Donald Trump 24.3% 45,416 7
Marco Rubio 23.1% 43,132 7
Ben Carson 9.3% 17,393 3
Rand Paul 4.5% 8,478 1
Jeb Bush 2.8% 5,235 1
Carly Fiorina 1.9% 3,483 0
John Kasich 1.9% 3,473 0
Mike Huckabee 1.8% 3,344 0
Chris Christie 1.8% 3,278 0
Rick Santorum 1.0% 1,783 0
Other 0.1% 119 0
Jim Gilmore 0.0% 12 0

So you see that Donald Trump only has one less delegate to the national convention dedicated to him than Ted Cruz has dedicated for him. And Bernie Sanders is only one delegate less than Hillary Clinton.

This is why Ted Cruz bolted for New Hampsire to campaign. The current opinion polls have Trump a comfortable 20 points ahead of Cruz in New Hampshire. And Bernie Sanders is comfortably ahead of Hillary Clinton there.

The both parties award delegates pro rata based on percentage of vote.

It is widely said that "Iowa picks corn; New Hampshire picks presidents (people in New Hampshire say that all the time). Right now it is a horse race. The smart money is betting on Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders moving sharply ahead in total delegate count.

The New Hampshire primary will take place on February 9th.

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Madoc ducks in to say...

Posted February 3, 2016
Always nice to see how folks outside the US completely buy into whatever hysteria our media is spewing about things here in America.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted February 3, 2016
Are you saying that Americans here at home don't buy into it, too?

Other than you and me, of course.

Murphy_of_Missouri asserts...

Posted February 3, 2016
Anyone actually bother to get the opinion of someone who is living in the Midwest?
Oh yeah, I forgot. The Midwest equals Dumbfuckistan in some corners of the world.
Nevermind.

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DarrenBloomfield asserts...

Posted February 3, 2016
I thought the blogging at 538 offered insightful analysis. They're jumping to the end (or the beginning of the end) - they see the GOP nomination as palying out like pretty much all that have gone before it - Cruz v Rubio, with Rubio winning. Because all GOP nominations end up being between a maverick (Cruz) and an establishment candidate. With the establishment (Rubio) usually winning the nomination.
And this, verbatim.
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jennicki puts forth...

Posted February 3, 2016
Onya, PNB!!!

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NBlob puts forth...

Posted February 3, 2016
1 - Please explain 'Super Delegates' and their relationship with the "establishment" of both parties.
2- I read that Cruz was *relatively* unpopular in Iowa, due to his scepticism RE: mandatory ethanol content in Gazoline. Is he likely to gallop away with the nomination now he's out of the Corn Belt?
3- if he doesn't get the nomination, is Trump's threat of an independent campaign real? Would it split the Republican vote sufficiently to get the Democrats the presidency?4- What's the non-partisan* grass-roots feeling RE: house & senate? Any chance of an actual budget passing, this decade?
All we seem to get here are the opinions of partisan hacks expressing farcical levels of confidence.

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Murphy_of_Missouri puts forth...

Posted February 3, 2016
Frankly, not a single one of the candidates appeals to me.
I'm not going to waste the pixels on Hillary as I know anything I say will simply be akin to pouring water on a rock in some corners. Bernie seems like a nice guy to have a beer with, take a college class or two from, a total idealist.
In my professional opinion, there is nothing more dangerous in the White House than an idealist. We don't need anymore of those and especially not an older, further to the left version of Jimmy Carter.
As for what is offered by the Republicans . . . I find it hard to see fault with PNB's characterization of the current batch. The saner ones, not that any of them are truly sane, are polling down in the toilet while the worst of the batch is at the top of the polls.
If I had to guess as to the cause?
Well, I'd say it is down to a complete loss of trust in the concept that the Federal Government can be an agency for good. I can think of others but again to air them would simply be akin to pouring more water on so many rocks.

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Invested Ivana swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 9, 2016
Whoa. Paul. As an Iowan, I feel I should take some offense on principle. Neo-fascist might be a bit strong. And I personally have never been closer to a cornfield than the width of the highway shoulder. Everything else, I'll give ya. For Iowan REPUBLICANS, anyway. :)
Seriously, the majority of Iowa's population isn't rural (I hate farms); we're just like any other state with most people living in cities. Our cities just arent as crowded as yours. We have our share of dumbasses, just like everyone (those who caucused for Cruz, for example). But we also have our share of fairly enlightened people. Our Judicial history shows a tendency to be early supporters of civil rights, for example. And we usually lead the nation in the quality of our education.
But we do have a history of being conservatives. I imagine it stems from generations of small community, ethnically homogenous, family-centric upbringings. Generations of farmers, blue collar workers, and small business owners constantly living on the edge of financial ruin. Families too poor and ignorant to travel to places that would broaden their view of the world. Value systems, like religion, are handed down through the generations. It takes very introspective and thoughtful people to challenge and change those beliefs.
And when those people DO realize that Iowa is too conservative for them, a good chunk of them leave. Not enough stay here to tip the scales.
It's easy to make fun of Iowa and the Midwest because of the stereotype, and few people come here as tourists to see for themselves, but we're no different than you, good and bad. The cool thing about our caucus this year was a record turn-out for both parties, which gives me hope that the younger generation won't be as cynical or as ignorant as mine.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016
Ivana, I know many fine, intelligent, politically progressive Iowans (no kidding). I was asked which Iowans supported Ted Cruz in the caucuses. I stand by my analysis.

Invested Ivana reckons...

Posted February 11, 2016
Oh, well then. I can't really argue with that analysis. :)

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It was a very crowded bar, after all

Posted January 2, 2016 into Politics by John Birmingham

From my bit in the Herald today:

This was not a sex scandal. Jamie Briggs resigned over an abuse of power. To define his predatory behaviour as any other than that implies an element of consent, which was clearly absent from his harassment of a young diplomat in a Hong Kong bar; a bar which was, as it transpired, very crowded.

The former minster would like you to know that.

It's most important you understand that the bar was very popular and "as it transpired, very crowded". Why, so crowded and so popular that almost anything could happen. A fellow's elbows might be jogged. He could accidentally stumble into someone. Why, even with the best of intentions and most honourable and innocent of designs it is a passing possibility that in such a crowded and popular venue there could be initiated the sort of glancing contact that some might misinterpret as less than 100 per cent appropriate.

But really, in such a popular and, as it transpired, crowded bar, who is to stay what actually happened? To quote The Simpsons' long-serving mayor of Springfield, Diamond Joe Quimby, "That could be anyone's ass!"


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Abe Frellman would have you know...

Posted January 2, 2016
The former minister's statement also seemed to make a lot of the fact that he had paid for the dinner that occurred immediately prior to the incident (with his OWN money no less; did I mention it was his OWN money?). Do you think that was included to head off some sort of media frenzy over who pays for these jaunts, or because, y'know, he paid for a steak dinner and HK is expensive, particularly on the island and all, so the least she could've done was... um?

John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted January 2, 2016
Ooh, Vicar, you are awful.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted January 2, 2016
"...so the least she could've done was... um?"

How times have changed. I remember the day when a quite, intimate dinner at McDonalds was enough to close the deal, or at least create the expectation of sexual reciprocity. Now it takes a steak dinner in a crowded HK nightclub.

The world has grown colder, and we face the winter alone.

insomniac ducks in to say...

Posted January 2, 2016
It's probably always their own money, right up to the point at which they submit their expenses claim, upon which it becomes our money. Just another example of a truthful lie.

Abe Frellman has opinions thus...

Posted January 3, 2016
Indeed. Might be worth a follow up article in a few months after submitting an FOI for the former minister's expense claims for meals and entertainment on the date in question, JB.

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Barnesm ducks in to say...

Posted January 2, 2016
one of my disappointments with the Movie Suffragette is the scene where the women are being taught jujitsu techniques wasn't immediately followed by them dressed as ninjas sprinting across the London skyline Wuxia style to sweep down and deliver righteous asskickings to all an sundry until the vote was given.

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Spanner reckons...

Posted January 2, 2016
Call this a scandal? Amateurs. I long for the days when our Prime Minster Toned Abs would shove and onion up his arse and set fire to his head to distract us for the bollocksed up mess that was the government.

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Arbalest ducks in to say...

Posted January 2, 2016
The author doesn't really know what happened in the crowded bar full of witnesses, but seems comfortable in asserting that the consequences haven't yet balanced the alleged crime. Perhaps some sort of public flogging - execution by incineration on the parliamentary forecourt would sate the author's desire for social justice?

Spanner mumbles...

Posted January 2, 2016
Look we could prove he was practicing witchcraft by building a bridge out of the former Junior Minister for Groping Public Servants or we could have a trial by combat. In this trial by combat Brigsey, AKA the Brigsniator when he is on the piss, has to eat as many onions as he can to prove he is as manly as Tony or fess up and take his punishment and become the ambassador to the USA.

JBtoo has opinions thus...

Posted January 2, 2016
Knowing the politician in question as a nasty, small-minded bully, in my humble opinion such consequences would actually be far too good for him. Karma is a bitch, apparently.

Abe Frellman mutters...

Posted January 3, 2016
Perhaps if his contrition extended more to the act itself than the fact that the public servant was offended he might be getting more sympathy.

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she_jedi mutters...

Posted January 2, 2016
What astounded me was that no one in the Liberal party seemed surprised that he'd do something this stupid. I think he was anonymously described as a "bit of a loose cannon when on the turps." How the hell does someone like that get pre-selected, much less make it to the ministry? (That's a rhetorical question. I know exactly how someone like that gets pre-selected. The Boys Club is alive and positively thriving in 2016).

The one positive out of this is that the diplomat was empowered not only to lodge a complaint, but have it dealt with, rather than have it swept under the carpet or told to suck it up and have a sense of humour about these things. One wonders if that would have happened if Abbott was still in power; and that's more about the entrenched attitudes of entitlement and power than a dig at Toned Abs. If an entire cabinet sees nothing wrong with having only one female minister, you can imagine what their reaction would have been to allegations of sexual harassment against one of their own by a junior diplomat.

WA n'ker puts forth...

Posted January 3, 2016
Have you all forgotten Western Australia's very own former state minister Troy "Sir Les" Buswell? This conservative superstar could drink and grope Briggsy under the table any day. Oh oh, pun. Sorry.

Lulu swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted January 4, 2016
The WA state minister for chair-sniffing?

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robW reckons...

Posted January 3, 2016
OT here, but curious, JB, on your writer's take on being late for your publisher's deadlines. GRRM officially admits he can't keep up with Game of Thrones:
http://grrm.livejournal.com/
Personally I know what it's like being late on a project. Some people take it personally and then lock up, never to deliver...

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Abe Frellman would have you know...

Posted January 3, 2016
And de fun don done... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-03/leaked-photo-woman-who-filed-briggs-complaint-disgraceful/7065154

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Abe Frellman would have you know...

Posted January 4, 2016
And now Peter Dutton is helping out. This is simply glorious.

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Brother PorkChop mumbles...

Posted January 4, 2016
They're politicians, what do you expect? Liberal, Labor, whatever the flavour there is the same percentage of twats as in the general population, or maybe a little higher i guess due to the narcissistic sociopathic nature of many pollies.

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Therbs puts forth...

Posted January 4, 2016

Dutton apologised for "doing a Dutton", i.e. sending an SMS to one of Unky Rupe's political editors calling her a "mad fucking witch". The journo, Samantha Maiden accepted his apology in good humour. Yeah, journo's need to be able to brush it off and that's probably fair enough but it clouds both the original offence by Briggs and the leaking to News Corp of the picture of the diplomat when privacy should have been paramount. Then of course there's the old "mad witch" language reminiscent of "Ditch The Witch" sloganeering during Abbott's leadership of the Tories. The culture of "Damned Whores and God's Police" remains and in fact is thriving in the cloistered LNP.

If a gal happens to complain about sexual harassment the excuse is that either it was "just a bit of fun and boys will be boys" or intimating that she was asking for it, "what was she doing there anyway?". The former being the God's Police, the latter being Damned Whores. This is a recurring theme in Australia. Women aren't meant to be in bars and if they are they're fair game for predators.

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DarrenBloomfield has opinions thus...

Posted January 5, 2016
I think Briggs' explanation that he kissed the woman's neck 'while running' should be accepted on face value, and the matter dropped.

Therbs mumbles...

Posted January 5, 2016
Yeah, 'cos she was just asking for it.

DarrenBloomfield reckons...

Posted January 5, 2016
This was my inspiration. I was going for irony.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-13/jamie-briggs-tried-to-tackle-tony-abbott/6939924

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Internet fame another iteration of waiting tables

Posted December 18, 2015 into Politics by John Birmingham

Some stark lessons about the value of getting big in social media. (Spoiler warning: there is none).

And yet, despite this success, we’re just barely scraping by. Allison and I make money from ads that play before our videos, freelance writing and acting gigs, and brand deals on YouTube and Instagram. But it’s not enough to live, and its influx is unpredictable...

The high highs and low lows leave me reeling. One week, I was stopped for photos six times while perusing comic books in downtown L.A. The next week, I sat faceless in a room of 40 people vying for a menial courier job. I’ve walked a red carpet with $80 in my bank account. Popular YouTube musician Meghan Tonjes said she performed on Vidcon’s MainStage this year to screaming, crying fans without knowing whether she’d be able to afford groceries.

It's a fascinating piece of writing which is more about the dying of the American middle class than it is just about growing your Instagram audience.

Money anxiety is a deep and longtime trigger for me. I’ve almost quit Just Between Us a few times, once after spending hours hysterically crying in my parked car because I wasn’t sure how I was going to make rent. My parents couldn’t help me financially because they had their own problems. I had already sold some of my old clothing at Crossroads and Buffalo Exchange. Allison’s parents offered to lend me money, but I wasn’t comfortable taking from them. Finally I borrowed money from a very kind friend who I’ve since paid back. During that time, I had more than 70,000 Twitter followers.

It's not all bad though. I'm sure Larry and Sergei got paid.

Props to SixColors for the original link.

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Rob mutters...

Posted December 18, 2015

so far I have made $26 bucks from my internet endeavours. In the words of Deez Nuts ' I ain't in this for the money or fame, but if I stack a little change, well fuck it, I wont complain'

I do wonder if the 160,000 viewers of my youtube channel give a curly rats ass if I get some money out of it.

John Birmingham swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 18, 2015
Apparently they'd prefer you as their slave.

Rob puts forth...

Posted December 18, 2015


More a chair moistener with an ego and lots of video.

I think I've come full circle I used to work for free to break into the TV industry and after a while I made some money, but it wasn't enough to live on, so I gave up and did other things. Now I do it for free, for the fun and beers with bands. Media production has always been a hard road. I've been doing this since I was 17, and never made any real money. I'm still waiting to break even from my last exhibition (why oh why wont someone buy my Thresh drawing?) Next exhibition in January and I'm already $200 in the hole from materials and framing, no guarantee I will sell and no support apart from marketing from the gallery (which I am Ok with). I did Law to subsidise the creative output any way and its working out, I don't skimp on materials and can do anything I want. Stupid costumes, graphic design, tattoos included. :)

FormerlyKnownAsSimon would have you know...

Posted December 18, 2015
enough talk! now get back on the tubes and dance!

NBlob mumbles...

Posted December 18, 2015
"...after a while I made some money, but it wasn't enough to live on..." Amen, +1, & Testify.
And that, right there is how I ended up in a blue shirt measuring fish. And Every Day Since (10 fkn years) I've wondered how I can get back behind a camera, without simultaneous foreclosure & subsequent divorce.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted December 19, 2015
Long before the Internet I hoped I would earn my living as a writer and
achieved some success selling television pilot concepts (e.g., a Hogan's Heroes parody tentatively titled A Gypsy in Auschwitz:
I got $500 for that horrible idea; and then there was Homoside, a crime
drama focused on the dark, dangerous side of the closeted gay
lifestyle that began with murder and ended in scandal ["are you saying that Senator Henderson was gay??"] every single episode) but not enough to support myself exclusively through writing - and they stopped buying my TV concepts when they realized I was making fun of them.

I saw law as my only viable option. Did I give up my dreams in exchange for financial security? Most likely, yes. But I still manage to poke fun at idiots every now and then - and get paid to do it - and that is really what it was and is all about for me. So I can't complain.

NBlob mutters...

Posted December 19, 2015
Getting paid to poke fun @ idiots is one of life's simple pleasures. I have to be discreet though, have had 2 x ministerial complaints for "mocking & disrespectful tone." Felt like responding with "Please advise how I should respond to such 24k asshattery?"

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted December 19, 2015
I feel your pain, mate. But my circumstances are different. If anyone complains about me using a mocking or disrespectful tone I refer them to the Human Resource Director (me using a clearly fake upper class British accent) and then, employing a respectful tone, I mock them some more. I know I shouldn't, but I can't help myself.

NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 20, 2015
Again, jealousy.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted December 20, 2015
There are no grounds for jealousy. I am sure your fake British upper class accent is as good as mine, if not better.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted December 18, 2015
There is something strangely poetic about it all. Unbelievable fame without fortune of any kind other than the fame itself.

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dweeze is gonna tell you...

Posted December 21, 2015
Geez - 10k per year. You musta had the wrong ggs. I was in the game 20 years ago and was making 5 times that.

Not that any of those A-list asshats at ARCA (in your link) would recognise my 8.5 years of living on the road. I lost just as many mates as they did....grrrrrr.

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Blarkon mumbles...

Posted December 19, 2015
Digital Serfdom. Google owns the fields. Google profits from the fields. Google generously allows you to work the fields.

Rob is gonna tell you...

Posted December 21, 2015


content providers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your URLs.

The Digital revolution has in the end, just meant a bunch of anti competitive monopolies got replaced by even fewer anti competitive monopolies. We are probably lucky Google cant digitise food. (for the moment anyway)

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Bedes asserts...

Posted December 22, 2015
When the going gets semi-weird, the semi-weird turn semi-pro

Therbs would have you know...

Posted December 23, 2015
Doesn't work for deaf poets.

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Nice little air force you got there, pal. Be a shame if anything happened to it

Posted December 17, 2015 into Politics by John Birmingham

The BBC recently sent reporter to overfly the reefs and shoals China has been building up into artifical islands in the South China Sea. They got short shrift.

Our plan was simple, if daunting. From Palawan we would fly directly to Pagasa, land and refuel. Then we would fly south-west and circle the Chinese-controlled reef called Fiery Cross, where China appears to be building a major air and naval base. We would return to Pagasa and refuel again. Finally we'd fly back to Palawan via Mischief Reef. This is another Chinese-controlled reef, very close to the Philippines, where land reclamation has been going on this year on a huge scale.

Our objective was two-fold. To get as close as possible to the new Chinese-controlled islands in order to film the construction work going on. And just as important, to see how the Chinese would react.

...

As our little plane bounced down the gravel runway on Pagasa my heart was beating fast, excited and nervous. Half an hour's flight south of the island I saw a yellow patch of land out of the window. On top of it was a large white blockhouse. I recognised it immediately from satellite photos.

"That's Gaven Reef!" I shouted to Jiro over the din of the engine. "Remember we sailed past it last year. They'd just started construction then."

No sooner were the words out of my mouth than a loud and aggressive voice came over the radio.

"Unidentified military aircraft in west of Nanxun Reef, this is the Chinese Navy. You are threatening the security of our station! In order to prevent miscalculation leave this area immediately!"

The pilots of our far-from-military Cessna banked away to the west. But the warnings continued, over and over, in Chinese and in English, getting louder and more agitated.

The Beeb was chased all over the area before managing to get a few pics of Meiji Reef which had been turned into something closely resembling a military airfield. It would put PLA war planes eight minutes away from the Philippine coast. As they were leaving with Chinese warnings loud in their ears they picked up an exchange between the PLA forces who'd just shooed them away and the crew of an Australian Orion aircraft.

Then over the radio came a very different voice, with a different accent.

"China Navy, China Navy," the voice said. "We are an Australian aircraft exercising international freedom of navigation rights, in international airspace in accordance with the international civil aviation convention, and the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea - over."

The US has done several high profile freedom-of-navigation flights and sailings through the South China Sea in recent months, including one by B-52 bombers. But Australia has never publicly announced that it is doing the same - so this felt like a bit of scoop.

We heard the Australian message being repeated several times, but did not catch any response from the Chinese side.

The response, such as it was, came shortly after the story went public. A state owned Chinese newspaper, The Global Times, editorialised that the RAAF had no role to play in the dispute and "It would be shame if a plane fell from the sky".

The ABC has a nice report, which some very droll lines from the Chinese side.

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NBlob mutters...

Posted December 17, 2015

Yeah, if push came to shove, bags not being within coee.

SWMBO was watching Madame Secretary the other night, in one scene the Sec of State called in the PRC's consul to ask if a hack originated from China. He responded with words along the lines of "When we come for you it wont be with hacks or guns, we'll just repossess you."

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DarrenBloomfield is gonna tell you...

Posted December 17, 2015
I love the understatement.
But nothing beats the Japanese Emperor's speech of surrender in WWII (not that the word ever got used). The best bit - the observation that the war in the Pacific had turned out "... not necessarily to Japan's advantage... "
"Indeed, We declared war on America and Britain out of Our sincere desire to ensure Japan's self-preservation and the stabilization of East Asia, it being far from Our thought either to infringe upon the sovereignty of other nations or to embark upon territorial aggrandizement.
"But now the war has lasted for nearly four years. Despite the best that has been done by everyone – the gallant fighting of the military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of Our servants of the State, and the devoted service of Our one hundred million people – the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest."

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HAVOCK21 asserts...

Posted December 17, 2015
be a fkn SHAME if they hit a mysterious GAS pocket and the reef blew the fk up!....2000 pounder style......

Halwes ducks in to say...

Posted December 17, 2015
It's OK. They can just move the whole thing to the new Chinese province of port Darwin.

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Murphy_of_Missouri ducks in to say...

Posted December 17, 2015
Hey, won't global climate change simply wash those islands way?

NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 20, 2015
Fascinating podcast recently (I'll see if I can hunt up the link) comparing a command economy's capacity to respond to a *Situation* as compared to Whitebread democracy. It avoided the usual platitudes and dug into case histories, comparing Katrina & Deep Water Horizon VS the Shen Geng (sp?) earthquake. The take home for me was: overall response was similar in efficacy, the PRC was more faster better in the first fortnight, but then pretty much left the locals to it. As a result people are still living under tarps 2 winters later. The USA took longer to mobilise, did a deeper, longer response, then gave the dissatisfied ( & people are perpetually dissatisfied) a megaphone to slam those that came to their aid.
Then the podcast extrapolated to slower evolving crises- pollution, global warming etc. it suggested that while the PRC has greater theoretical capacity for concrete decisive action, having no equivalent of a Senate for grandstanding, filibuster etc, nor pesky civil society NGOs, both systems are So beholden to interested parties that the actual tangible response are equally ineffective.

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Steve mumbles...

Posted December 20, 2015
NBlob: "When we come for you it wont be with hacks or guns, we'll just repossess you."
US govt debt owed to China is a much bigger from for the Chinese than it is for the Americans. The Americans have already spent the money. The Chinese need to get it back.
US govt bonds are China's single largest financial asset - an asset that can become worthless overnight if the US govt decides to default on bonds held by China. Think of what that would do to China.
When you owe the bank a million dollars and can't pay it back, you have a problem. When you owe the bank a trillion dollars and won't pay it back, the bank has a problem.

NBlob mutters...

Posted December 20, 2015
Absolutely agree Steve, but I doubt the US would be prepared to cop the blowback that would come with defaulting or a 'haircut." Ask the Greeks how popular their T Bills are at the moment. Last I heard they were cheaper than two ply bog roll.
We need the Sausage King's input. Frellman paging Abe Frellman, please pick up a white courtesy phone. Knowledge trumps guesses.

NBlob mutters...

Posted December 20, 2015
In total, China owns about 8 percent of publicly held U.S. debt. Of all the holders of U.S. debt China is the third-largest, behind only the Social Security Trust Fund's holdings of nearly $3 trillion and the Federal Reserve's nearly $2 trillion holdings in Treasury investments, purchased as part of its quantitative easing program to boost the economy.
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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted December 20, 2015
China sold about 15% of their U.S. bonds this year because they needed the money. The bond market didn't blink and most of the bonds were snapped up by domestic investors. There is a lot of confidence in U.S. bonds and a upwardly moving U.S. market.

NBlob puts forth...

Posted December 21, 2015
Give that man a gold star.

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A little bit of Toned Abs in Every Fuckface von Clownstick

Posted December 12, 2015 into Politics by John Birmingham

Of course the Herald wouldn't let me call Trump that, but it would have improved the column.

Old Joe Stalin used to have a name for the woodenheaded leftists who refused to see his true nature even as he piled the corpses up in front of them. Useful idiots. Interestingly, if you ask Google Translate to render the phrase in Arabic, you get a picture of Tony Abbott in Donald Trump's fright wig. There's no hiding from el Goog's all-knowing algorithm.

The joke candidate for the US Republican Party's presidential nomination is looking less of a joke with every new outrage, unless your taste in jokes runs to a quiet Beavis-n-Butthead style hurr-hurr-hurr while watching a horribly failed vat-grown clone of Hermann Goerring pull the wings off butterflies and fart out the Horst Wessel song.

Read it all here.

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insomniac would have you know...

Posted December 12, 2015
I think Tony is suffering from the lack of the guiding hand of Prime Minister Credlin. He always went a little off reservation whenever she took a personal day. Now he has no leash whatsoever; roaming free.

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Blarkon is gonna tell you...

Posted December 12, 2015
Rise of *successful* crazy politicians can probably be mapped against the decline of main stream media.
Journalism is being replaced by activism - because activists will write articles for free (or close to it) and journalists want to be both independent and paid, something that no longer works in this new silicon valleyist "content should be free" economy.

GhostSwirv puts forth...

Posted December 12, 2015
Sadly I believe Blarkon is most spot on here - we already witnessed the failure of the MSM in Oz to firstly hold the Coalition to account during the 2013 election campaign ... then to take almost two years to realise the crazy that is Tones.

Now we're returning to Malcolm's Coalition is just as good as Tone's pre-election, no scrutiny, no calls for accountability nor detailed analysis of policy, despite the NBN and the GST ... but wait Bill Shorten is texting while driving ... surely front page NewsCorpse news, much more important than two three sitting ministers involved in a conspiracy to bring down a federal government via nefarious attacks on the Speaker of the House.

But I digress, the Donald is indeed the product of decades of Republican bile and negative waves directed at anything that engenders fear in the general, ill-informed USApopulace ... no wonder edumacation is seriously underfunded there.

It won't be long before Donald and Tones share the same podium ... a PM deposed by weak minded forces and a wannabe Prez the shining example of how to fix the problems of the world ... as long as the MSM doesn't mention the politics of the right basically inflamed the current situations we find ourselves in the Donald and Tones will continue to flourish and gain support.







Halwes puts forth...

Posted December 12, 2015
I thought that the press must have been letting the will of the people be heard by not launching into them immediately after the election. I didn't detect incompetence but I did detect reticence which I put down to a fear of what the coalition had planned with regard to gutting the ABC. The first stage of that was the scrapping of the localised 730 report which cut our information flow in the bush markedly

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JBtoo ducks in to say...

Posted December 12, 2015
Thank goodness for Canada, a shining beacon of hope that sanity can prevail in some electorates

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Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted December 12, 2015
He'll flame out like Ross Perot did.

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Dave W reckons...

Posted December 12, 2015
The story I heard (maybe it was here) was that Reagan wouldn't get nominated by the current GOP, as he'd be too left wing for them. This scares me when it comes to this hairdo/parasite combo called Trump.

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NBlob reckons...

Posted December 12, 2015
"The race to the bottom" has been won.

damian would have you know...

Posted December 12, 2015
I think you mean the race of the bottoms.

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TeamAmerica mutters...

Posted December 12, 2015
@Murphy_of_Missouri- "He'll flame out like Ross Perot did."
Eh, maybe; I hope so. But he may be assembling a new coalition. Disaffected blue collar whites, blacks who don't like competing with
illegals, and people who don't trust either party, as well as people
unhappy with Obama' clueless response to domestic terror attacks (which
offered Trump another opening). IOW, only 52% of eligible voters normally vote, and he may be assembling a coalition of non-voters and unhappy Dems and Repubs. Trump's politics are variable; he seems to follow polls pretty carefully and is very good at self-promotion. Like Obama in 2008, he offers hope, which has a strong appeal, and has a similar cult of personality. The first primary is in New Hampshire in January, and I'm hoping his campaign starts to collapse there.

Murphy_of_Missouri asserts...

Posted December 13, 2015
Nobody competes with illegals. The illegals do the work no one else will do no matter how desperate they get.

Lulu has opinions thus...

Posted December 14, 2015
the fact that 2 out of Trump's 3 wives have been foreign-born proves that there are some jobs Americans are not desperate enough to do.

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Halwes asserts...

Posted December 12, 2015
I've been struggling with the fact that Aussies think its OK, or maybe don't think about it at all, to bomb Syria. I'm not sure that we understand the collateral damage involved and it isn't something the nightly news dwells on too much. I'd rather have the SAS on the ground than bomb them. At least the killing is less indiscriminate.

damian has opinions thus...

Posted December 12, 2015
Oh no we do not think it's okay, not most of us anyway. And yes, ground forces might be better. But the politics around this are all basically insane at the moment, there's nothing with power to influence events that's amenable to rational thought.

Halwes mutters...

Posted December 12, 2015
You reckon most of us don't think its OK.? You seem to have more faith in the intelligence and compassion of our fellow Australians than I do.

Des ducks in to say...

Posted December 16, 2015
maybe this thread isn't representative of Australia at large, but if it were left to the most bellicose warmongers who inhabit this site, we (meaning the White western powers) would have already bombed Syria into the stone age a couple of years ago, when the bogus 'red line' was drawn, on spurious intelligence about chemical weapons..... it may be that in the ensuing time, the macho neo-con posture has become less acceptable or funny, and therefore those most vociferous armchair generals around here have pulled their heads in. it is a bit hard to get too puffed up when its becoming common knowledge that ISIL is a paid up mercenary army, being let loose to knock off Assad, which is of course, the main game..see Ghaddafi, Saddam, et al.

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Posted December 13, 2015
Reading Steinbeck's East of Eden. It's tearing my guts out. I think this man is one of the greats. So much to reflect on and some paragraphs are so deep that you can reflect on them for hours. Today's SMH listed Ascendance as Bill Shortens holiday read. Ascendance isn't something Bill will be doing in the new year. He probably needs to be rolled but I can't think of a viable contender

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spiral swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 15, 2015

i'm french, i live in Toulon, i have familly in Paris, had a scare during the 11/13 attacks, no familly members involved, but what we did have last week end was election for regional leaders, first round was a HUGE Far Right (what we call Front National) and gigantic scare to have them to over a few of them in the second Tour, luckily, we had a massive flow of people coming to vote, and we dodged it, can't say what's going to be on the Presidential elections, but we dodged it nonetheless... for now...understand; I believe we should do more in regards to Terrorism, but these hateful and racist assholes are a blight in every country. Useful idiots indeed, the fact that they had such high numbers in the first tour, revigorated the people of France and allowed us to have much more people coming to vote on the second tour, anyway... just to say that every country has it's share of Von FuckFaces :D


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Posted December 15, 2015
@spiral- "first round was a HUGE Far Right (what we call Front National)"When I heard that Marie LePen had forced her father out of the NF party, I was hoping it meant she wanted to move the party away from its fascist past. I gather that did not happen. If she did not want to moderate the party,do you know why they had this conflict?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted December 15, 2015
He advised her to "unbutton that top button" if she wanted to curry favor with the average French voter. For Marie, that was the last straw. Exit dad.

w from brisbane mutters...

Posted December 15, 2015
Perhaps a more key moment in the family split was when one of Mr Le Pen's dobermans ate Ms Le Pen's cat. (true story)

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted December 16, 2015
That cat probably had it coming.

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