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Posted May 24, 2013 into Telly by John Birmingham

An intriguing concondrum arose this morning out of Amazon's Kindle Worlds program. @lostatlunch asked me on twitter "if you red-shirt the original author in an alt-timeline fanfic, will there be a paradox?"

@PeterWJHarrigan didn't so much answer that question as another, entirely irrelevent, but just as fascinating, with a link to this blog entry where he crunched the numbers on the mortality rate amongst various classes of crew member on Star Trek, coming up with all sort of Bayesian shennanigans:

Based on an analysis of casualties that considers the overall total number of personnel in each color of uniform, wearing a redshirt may not be the automatic death sentence that it is popularly considered to be. On the other hand, 18 of the redshirt casualties were security personnel out of a total population of 90; 20% of the security department were casualties. Although wearing a redshirt may not of itself be particularly hazardous, personnel in a redshirt who are members of the security department should expect to pay a high premium on their life insurance.

I dunno, the red skivvy still looks kinda iffy to me.


I'm afraid I failed to pass a single maths exam after about grade eight in high school, but that pie chart speaks loudly to me and it's saying blue is definitely my colour.

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Barnesm mutters...

Posted May 24, 2013

The pie chart (first used to display data by Florence Nightingale, though if I dig hard enough probably find a Mary Seacole esque character did it first) above is clear, the basyian analysis is even more exciting for a math geek like me. For more excitment about this tool read 'The Theory That Would Not Die: How Bayes' Rule Cracked the Enigma Code, Hunted Down Russian Submarines, and Emerged Triumphant from Two Centuries of Controversy" I would have provided a link but the linky tool above isn't working.

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Shifty Tourist reckons...

Posted May 24, 2013

And sadly, so many of those deaths could have been avoided if Starfleet had just adoped some basic OH&S measures.

In particular some circuit breakers behind the bridge equipment might have helped.

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insomniac ducks in to say...

Posted May 24, 2013

if 24 out of say 100 red shirts die, 9 out of 15 gold shirts die and 7 out of 8 blue shirts die, then i'd rather not be a blue shirt. The numbers are meaningless by themselves. i've provided one possible interpretation. there are an infinite number of interpretations for the figures provided. different maths is required.

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Brother PorkChop has opinions thus...

Posted May 24, 2013

I'm with INSOMNIAC - too little data to compute.

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Barnesm asserts...

Posted May 24, 2013

The full analysis is provided over at the online journal significance which Brimo has provided a link in the story above. Its double cream for math nerds.

insomniac asserts...

Posted May 24, 2013

upon further reading i concede

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Quokka mumbles...

Posted May 24, 2013

Genius. Can't wait for the NRA to see that pie and conclude every school and university student in the US of A should be compelled to wear that colour.

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Bangar mumbles...

Posted May 24, 2013

I'd rather a shirt with a contract on it for the series ... I still may die bit I'd be back by the end of the episode ;)

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BobGrrl has opinions thus...

Posted May 24, 2013

It's funny the psychological effect putting a character in a red shirt can have.

In the latest Star Trek film they put one of the main crew members into a red shirt (instead of their usual gold) and I was practically convinced they'd end up dead because of it. Fortunately they didn't, but I do wonder whether it was done intentionally to make people think it would happen.

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tqft is gonna tell you...

Posted May 24, 2013

I will any colour shirt if it gets me aboard a starship even if I end up dead quite quickly. Even a purple paisley shirt.

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Conspiracy Cat is gonna tell you...

Posted May 24, 2013

Aaaah, and tqft has answered the question. The 'unknown' coloured skivvy IS known. It's purple. Wake up, Jeff!

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Spleen Vent ducks in to say...

Posted May 30, 2013

They're security!!!! They're front line!!!! It's like saying "Oh gee, all those guys that hit the beach first on D-Day had a lot of casualties?!?!!?". It's what they do!!!!

"Holy freakin' warp factors, Spock, there's a dozen Klingons just transorted into the engine room!!!!"

"Shall I get security in there, Jim?"

"Nah, the union's breaking my balls about casualty rates for red shirts. Let the engineers get rid of them. They did combat training in the Academy too, and Scotty's pretty handy with a wrench. Not like it's a Kobayashi Maru scenario involved here."

"Um, Jim, the engineers wear red too currently".

"Gah!!! Well send in the medical team then. Bones has been geting on my nerves recently".

(Spock turns comm on) "Dr McCoy to engine room to remove Klingons please."

(staticy reply over comms) "I'm a doctor not a redshirt, Jim, goddamnit!!!"

John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted May 30, 2013

Funniest down stream comment ever.

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When you recap the Game of Thrones you win, or you die

Posted May 22, 2013 into Telly by John Birmingham

Roland Barthes was a web 2.0 guy before the web was even a Version 1 thing. Before color TV was even a thing. Roland Barthes was a sneaky French philosopher (is there another kind?) who got away with cutting and pasting his thoughts into discontinuous brain farts, and getting his “readers [to] work as active creators of a text”. He crowd sourced the meaning of his work.

Roland Barthes was also the guy who gave us, by way of Clive James, the modern phenomenon of the TV recap; those long and winding water cooler recapitulations of whatever happened last night on Mad Men, Masterchef, The Walking Dead or, God help us, Embarrassing Bodies.

Sometimes mere regurgitation, but sometimes soaring to heights from which the recap writer can seriously look down on the hacks and script-spittles who stole 48 minutes of your life, the recap has crept into the media landscape and become the bait-of-choice for online media looking to draw traffic to their advertisers’ wares.

There are some recappers (recaptivists? recaptors?) who are so good they achieve a small measure of renown – or something akin to it, a bankable level of attention from the attention-deficit-generation; Ben Pobjie’s masterful Masterchef recaps, for instance, which managed to remind us twelve hours later of all the faff and pointlessness we’d already forgotten, while simultaneously leaching the stage managed shenanigans of any residual dignity they might have maintained. (No much, admittedly)

So now the appearance of a TV series with a deeply invested global audience signals the arrival in tandem of another round of recaps. At the moment it’s all about Game of Thrones.

Contemplates Foxtel crushing alternate distribution channels.

Is disappoint.

How do we get from Barthes to Baratheon? Well, in 1957 he published Mythologies, which The New York Times described as “the most reliable and user-friendly source of Barthes’s special variety of fun — the bouillon cube, if you will, of his critical flavour.” In Mythologies Barthes laid the ground for the coming of a myriad postgraduate degrees in pop culture studies. PhDs in the Homer of Springfield, rather than the Homer of Achilles.

Mythologies was, in the truest, laziest style of Rolly, a lucky dip, a collection of scribbles from a literary journal and an attempt to unpack, as we say now, the Cambrian explosion of popular culture after World War Two. Barthes was high-concept lowbrow decades before the first Lad mag was published. He studied “the rise to omnipresence of a hypercommodified cluster of media (magazines, film, radio, television) that was shaping everyone’s lives on the deepest possible level, like a new form of psychological gravity.”

What the fuck does that even mean? Lets ask the New York Times.

In his modest (and non-Newtonian) way, Barthes set out to be mass culture’s Newton: to identify the laws of its behavior, test its stresses, reveal the invisible boundaries of its influence.

Barthes’s basic idea (although with Barthes it’s always dangerous to reduce things to a basic idea) was that the operation of mass culture is analogous to mythology. He argued that the cultural work previously done by gods and epic sagas — teaching citizens the values of their society, providing a common language — was now being done by film stars and laundry-detergent commercials.

In that way, he wasn’t a million miles removed from Clive James much more tightly focused TV columns of the 1970s. James very much saw himself as an intellectual, and more importantly as a poet, who could discern within the surface banalities of broadcast TV, the meaning of much deeper shifts and developments in the society which produced them. He might have been viciously snarky about popular entertainment, but that didn’t stop him taking it seriously as an aesthetic form.

Where the second half of the Twentieth Century was all about an explosion of mass culture, the coming of the internet has enabled its mass critique the “dissection of everything, no matter how trivial”. (In Pobjie’s Masterchef recaps, for instance, even the commercial breaks get a shakedown, these saleable interstices raised to the same level of significance as the primary text, to get a little Barthesian on y’all.)

Sam Anderson, in the Times:

This happens everywhere now, often in real time. And this critical analysis is often as vital and interesting and consumable as the culture it discusses. Consider, for instance, the way the TV recap has evolved into a nearly independent creative form. So the critical analysis of pop culture has itself become a kind of pop culture. We seem to be approaching some kind of singularity — a collapse of creativity and criticism into one.

It is possible to follow a certain style of TV show without ever tuning in. The twitter feed of Q and A, for example, is every week more engaging than the show that gives it birth. (Although that doesn’t stop me muting it). It is just as possible to enjoy the post mortem critique of narrative television, without ever having seen the originating broadcast. So comprehensive is the modern recap, it obviates the need to watch the show it is recapping.

The joy, the jouissance a blend of “surprise, adventure and pleasure” to borrow from Barthes, is to relive the experience however. To enjoy the story and then have it retold for our childlike enjoyment. As much fun as it might be to watch, the pleasures of recalling it with a likeminded soul are even greater. This holds for both good and bad TV. Possibly even more so for bad. Herein lies the appeal of the recap not so much to us, the readers, but to the media which provides them. When the choice of media is so great as to paralyze us, we retreat to what we already know. And what we know to be held dear by everyone else.

At the moment that means Game of Thrones. A short while ago it meant The Walking Dead, and very soon it will be S.H.I.E.L.D. But for now, our small screen dreams flicker with images of Westeros. I don’t know how many individual recaps the show has inspired, but a Google search for them returns over sixty-four million hits. Most significant media organizations boast of at least one. The best may be Wired.com’s double header written by Laura Hudson and Erik Henriksen.

More than just a riff or retelling, Wired provides a comprehensive meta analysis of both the just-aired ep and the many ways in which it either tracked or diverged from the book. Being Wired, of course, they cannot resist a little techno wizardry, and thus spoilers are blacked out behind the sort of thick, black lines which nowadays characterize 90% of all government documents sought under FOI. Wired, however, lets you removed the redaction with a mouse click.

Hudson and Henrikson – two very Westerosi names don’t you think – break down seemingly every minute broadcast and provide the sort of micro- and meta-analysis that can only be done online, where word length counts for nothing. They even go back and forth to tweak or dispute each others findings. It is the best recap I’ve seen of Thrones.

The second best? Disagree if you will, and you probably will, but the runner up – When you recap the Game of Thrones you win, or you die – is promptly written and published within a few hours of airing every week right here in Brisneyland, by BrisbaneTimes’ Natalie Bochenski, aka @girlclumsy on the twitterz and here at the Burger.

Eschewing the postgraduate faffage of Wired, GC goes for the larfs, while retaining an understanding of what makes great theatre. She avoids the witless recounting of this happened and then that happened, often skipping thematically through the doin’s and a-goings on. She rewards attention payers with in-jokes like “Kate Middleton” and comfortably changes voice whenever the mood or necessity takes her.

Meanwhile Cersei? Bitch be colder than tiles in winter, mmm-hmmm. Cutting Slow Lorus off like that just when he’s trying to be nice.

The trap for recappers is to simply recap. They are, after all, every one of them telling the exact same story. The Boing Boing recap sometimes falls into this hole, reading almost like a high school English student’s breathless but ultimately repetitive and unoriginal report to the class on What I Watched Last Night.

The other trap is timeliness. With so many of these things appearing within hours of the screening time (some of them before the two hour delay between the US and Australian release) there is little point in coming late to the show, so to speak. Again, a Boing Boing fail, but also, surprisingly a problem with the Flavorwire recap. For a site which lives and dies by spitting up prechewed media bites, this is sort of unforgivable. (Although, when the Flavorwire recap does go live, it often suffers from the same weaknesses of mere restatement that dog Boing Boing).

It used to be the case that most broadsheet papers, and many magazines retained the services of a dedicated TV reviewer, again thanks to the example of James and Barthes, but with the business model of the old press under existential threat they are passing from the world. The recap, usually written by enthusiasts rather than specialists is coming to replace them. In a way, they have not so much evolved from Barthes as away from him. He was an outsider who, like James, treated mass cultural as subject worthy of serious critique, but unlike James he had no love of the mass audience. Now, with the recap, and importantly the comment thread and social media ‘shares’ it is designed to ignite, the audience is the analysis.

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Barnesm would have you know...

Posted May 22, 2013

Great recap on recaps JB my only dispute is I woudl say girlclumsy's stuff is equal with Laura Hudson and Erik Henriksen's recaps.

I would ahve bet $10 you wouldn't be able to work Barthes, into a game of thrones round up, adn I'd have lost.

I admit to reading and posting on these Game of Thrones recaps but for season 3 I haven't yet watched an episode, perferring to save them on my Foxtel IQ until all the season has aired and then being able to watch them one after another.

I am probably in the minority that hearing what happens doesn't spoil but rather enhances the enjoyment of watching. Also I haev read all the books up to Danes with Dragons. Not bothering to read the already released chapters. I'd rather wait until the books out.

This even transaltes into books now, tending not to begin reading a trilogy until all the books are out. The only exception at the moment is with James S.A. Corey's Expanse series.

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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted May 22, 2013

I think of Barthes when I accidentally watch some MasterChef or hear a foodie self-basting with their delight at their cosmopolitan recipe choice.
There is a lot of new bourgeois mythology going on here.
No doubt, it partly explains the Australian MasterChef's surprisingly large following in India.

I have been greatly enjoying Natalie B's Brisbane Times recaps, though I am only a patchy watcher of the show.

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insomniac would have you know...

Posted May 22, 2013

Krystyll has come to see Dr Christian with a problem. She and her boyfriend Jaxxsyn have been ...

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Simon Bedak ducks in to say...

Posted May 22, 2013

I've heard of GirlClumsy, but I've never heard of this Games of Throne thing

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Duce would have you know...

Posted May 22, 2013

I like the Onion AV club recaps - they do two, one for those who have read the books, one for those who haven't. They're good reading. On a trashier level, happyplace.com do a game of thrones recap...if game of thrones took place on facebook. It's fantastic.

John Birmingham would have you know...

Posted May 22, 2013

I am already rushing over to read it!

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Mothy swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 22, 2013

There we go, was wondering how long before someone referenced Happyplace

http://www.happyplace.com/topic/got-recap-season-3/newest

Great, though often failing in the timlieness stakes.

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Sweet Jane Says is gonna tell you...

Posted May 22, 2013

Why recap? That's why we have Wikipedia.

I like the new look of the place.

J.

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Crushed Ants mumbles...

Posted May 22, 2013

I confess to harassing GC on the twitters to recap, especially season 2, when she was writing Raven On sporadically on her blog (even then, the BEST). And now, couldn't be happier that she has a bigger audience.

The Facebook mash up on funny or die is great, and if your up for a bit of in-depth, The Atlantic has a three-way round table discussion that's pretty good, with a mix of GoT book readers, and first time to GoT thru the TV series writers.

And for a piss-funny video recap (once with Theon- yep THE Theon!), get thee to Funny or Die and watch "Gay of Thrones". You're welcome!

Shell has opinions thus...

Posted May 22, 2013

Ah, typing on the phone again. Hadith - not a bad new word methinks. Should read 'had the' of course but I know you've made allowances already. C ya.

Shell has opinions thus...

Posted May 22, 2013

'Peek'. It was a peak though.

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Shell mutters...

Posted May 22, 2013

When Jabe asks for some lovin', Jabe gets some lovin'. Am studying US literature right now, and I mean right now so between that and other things am doing haven't Hadith time lately for watching the latest 'in thing' on the rectangle in the corner. Having said that bought myself a copy of GoT recently. Since Jabe recommended knew it would be at least bearable. Sat down to take a peak. Four hours later, assignment due still on table beside me, re-entered the fake world refreshed and inspired. GoT? Yeah, like it much. Criticism of books I love leaves me cold honestly. But that's just me I guess.

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LenniMack has opinions thus...

Posted May 22, 2013

Guilty: Barthenised in Post-Grad. Death of the Author did my head in. Still convinced there is a semiotic resonance (or bad joke) arising from his (actual) death by laundry van... Maybe just a revenge fantasy come true.

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MadMaximun mutters...

Posted May 22, 2013

Loves me some GoT recaps, what else are you supposed to do at work all day?!

Best one I found recently: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3502784afc/gay-of-thrones-game-of-thrones-ep-8-recap?playlist=featured_videos

Also loving the Facebook one, thanks for the tip peoples!

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Defiance (Updated with freebie)

Posted May 20, 2013 into Telly by John Birmingham

Took a few weeks, but I finally got around to watching the pilot episode of Defiance on the weekend. I think we're about three eps into the series now, and the critical reaction on the geek blogs seems fair to middling, with a chance of improvement. There are some pretty tired old story ideas getting tricked up for one more turn around the field. I couldn't believe they were going to go with the whole Romeo and Juliet subplot, but props to them, they did, without a sense of irony or shame. Nolan, the good-looking loner who lives by his own rules (and his weapons, and his awesome martial arts skills) is saved from primetime cliché by a couple of less than admirable personality traits. And it was great to see Julie Benz on screen, still looking superhot and stealing every scene she's in. She doesn't seem to have aged a day since playing Darla on Buffy and Angel.

Joel Naoum, my publisher over at Mometum, tweeted this morning that he found Benz hot, but baffling as a casting choice. "Hard to buy her as mayor. Her youthfulness = gravitas deficiency"

I retorted that it's established very early she feels herself inadequate in the mayor's role, especially given the seniority of her predecessor. Joel, paid that, but said, "Yes, but I feel like we’re not supposed to agree with her."

Still, she's superhot, so shut up.

The storyline? I'm still figuring it out. They avoided the temptation to do an info dump in the first five minutes, leaving viewers to work a few things out for themselves. Some are obvious. The planet's gone to hell since it was invaded. Some less so. I couldn't work out why there were so many different alien races squabbling over the spoils and why they don't necessarily get on. But that will undoubtedly be explained in the next couple of installments.

Or possibly it's already been explained if you've been playing the third person MMO of the same name. The TV shows and game producers are attempting to do something a bit special by developing both the show and a game in parallel. All of the odds are stacked against them, but I haven't heard much of Defiance as a shooter, and I do imagine that the story world's developed much more fully there.

Rockne S O'Bannon, the Defiance show runner, is an alumnus of Farscape, a widely unwatched and even more underrated SyFy channel classic. (They used to shoot it here in Australia, when the dollar was known as the Pacific peso, making production costs much cheaper. I remember watching them film an episode on Bondi Beach when I lived there). The art direction on that show was particularly strong and O'Bannon has brought the same eye to this show. The CGI works really hard, but it works really well to create the impression of a living, chaotic, highly devolved city at the end of the world. It's also amazing what you can do with shipping crates and plastic wrap. The alien races are well realized, and although some of the human characters feel a bit two-dimensional, at least in the supporting cast, the leads are all very strong actors. Benz is probably the standout, which isn't surprising given the strength of her performance under Joss Whedon's direction.

The action scenes ran a nice gamut from intensely personal and muscular combat up to a well staged set piece battle that didn't skimp on the special effects right at the end. If the producers can build on the pilot, there could be a lot to look forward to with this series. I already like it a lot more than Falling Skies, although to be fair I thought that alien invasion series picked up a lot towards the end of the second season.

For anyone interested in the story world, Mark Clarkson very helpfully pointed me towards a freebie in the Kindle store.

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John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted May 20, 2013

Scuse my stoopid fat fingers. Had a few mishaps with pics for this story and Blarkon's comment got deleted.

Here tis:

Apparently the MMO developer is already laying off staff.

The SF series getting a lot of press at the moment (which I haven't seen - but seems to be getting a lot of people talking in forums) is Orphan Black

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do_BCA-vR9E

Bunyip swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 20, 2013

That looks great! I'd say more, but hey, why spoil the punch of the trailer.

Lead me to this though, dead cops protecting the living. Looks the derp, with big guns and beer and pretzel characters.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 21, 2013

My son is following it and says it has potential to become something special. I liked the first half of the pilot (I enjoy the mystery of what the hell happened ti the earth;I enjoyed the guy drawing out the sullen alien girl with Country Western; I liked the moral ambiguity of the hero) but I began to tire of the story when I realized I've seen and read this a hundred times before. I began to detest the aliens when it became apparent that they were exactly like humans with slightly different physical characteristics, different languages and different customs. The white haired aliens who are are comfortable with nudity and enjoy saunas remind me of Swedish people I've met. And the big eyed aliens wearing Nazi helmets, riding motorcycles and preying on those on the road reminded me of, well, humans in every post apocalyptic movie from the Road Warrior to the Book of Eli. How fucking original.

But my son is often right about these things, so I attempted to watch the first show after the pilot. I watched about 15 minutes and, although I found the near naked pretty lady a fine addition to a basic cable show, I got distracted by something else and haven't been back to the episode.

Maybe it is a young/old issue: my son likes it and is willing to give it a chance; I really don't want to waste any of the time I have left on this planet, and, thus far, Defiance has been a waste of my time.

John Birmingham would have you know...

Posted May 21, 2013

"but I began to tire of the story when I realized I've seen and read this a hundred times before"

That was the critique most often levelled in the first responses. Too many cliches. I've only watched the pilot, and you're right. It is comfortable tropeville. The aliens don't seem especially alien, except maybe for the killbots you missed at the end.

But as I understand it, the story picks up.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted May 21, 2013

I loved the killer robots and the distinctly alien aliens that commanded them.

I'll stick with it for a while to see if the story picks up.

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Posted May 21, 2013

I've been watching both shows. Orphan Black is the one I look forward to each week. It's pretty quirky in it's plot development. The characters of the various clones are different and entertaining and Tatiana Maslany does a great job in portraying them. For what has been happening lately the 2nd season might be going off in a different direction which means the show will grow.

Defiance seems to be inspired by many previous shows, including Firefly because it really is a SF western like Firefly.One character had 2 husbands in the last episode which was a different idea. I did find it amusing that the sherrif keeps visiting the local brothel owner, who happens to be the sister of the mayor.

Orphan Black is the one I'll be buying on blu-ray when it's available, Defiance will be a discount dvd box set.

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Barnesm ducks in to say...

Posted May 21, 2013

Julie Benz on screen and don't foget her stint as the prostitue in Deadwood.

Yeah I too am watching Defiance, its engaging enough and there is hope that it develops into something special.

"amazing what you can do with shipping crates and plastic wrap" for the true exemplars of this craft I'd recommend a british series only made one season, OUTCASTS. With Liam (Davos Seaworth) Cunningham as the commander of the only off earth colony in a far of star system.

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begee08 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 21, 2013

If you want a bit of backstory, the show's Wikipedia page explains it pretty well.

ie Arkfall and the melange of different races making up the alien presence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defiance_(TV_series)

I don't mind it so far and will stick with it as it seems to be improving.

I hadn't heard of Orphan Black, I'll be checking that one out.

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted May 21, 2013

Cheers guv.

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Mark Clarkson reckons...

Posted May 21, 2013

I've ben looking forward to this series since I first heard about it. As it was coming from one of the minds behind Farscape was a no brainer for me as Farscape was serious science fiction that did not take itself too serious.

The pilot episode was not bad, followed by a bland episode, but it does seem to be getting better.

Amazon has Defiance:The Essential Guide [Kindle Edition] going for free at the moment and it does a good job of detailing the world of Defiance

John Birmingham mutters...

Posted May 21, 2013

Ooh, thanks.

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Andrew McLaughlin ducks in to say...

Posted May 21, 2013

Hey JB

Is there a trailer that you're aware of...have been unable to find.

Cheers

A

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TC reckons...

Posted May 21, 2013

Yeah alright, I'm slowly getting suckered in. And having Dexter's dead wife as the Mayor is a brilliant idea. I hope she's a little more switched on in this though.

The game / tv show tie in seems like a cheap gimmick. There are too many awesome games that I already have no time to play so I'm sure as shit not going to play this one.

John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted May 21, 2013

No idea what the game is like. But it's a far from a gimmick. You can expect to see more and more of this 'transmedia' stuff in the future.

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yankeedog is gonna tell you...

Posted May 21, 2013

"The CGI works really hard, but it works really well to create the impression of a living, chaotic, highly devolved city at the end of the world."

The city portrayed is supposed to be St. Louis. They could have skipped the CGI and filmed in East St. Louis, which is a REAL devolved city at the edge of the world.

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Mat D swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 22, 2013

Absolutely loving it. Even the Missus enjoys the show, wants to play the game now.

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"Intelligence" sounds like it should suck but... but... but

Posted May 16, 2013 into Telly by John Birmingham

It could be awesome. I know, the premise of a superspook "ex Special Forces, Delta, CIA guy" with a chip in his head that makes him all Super Neo Matrix is too dumb even for me. And my standards are notoriously low.

But the CBS Fall Preview trailer looks kind of cool. The biff is gnarly and muscular and the action sequences admirably kinetic.

We'll see if they can get the stories and character right.

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Dino not to be confused with puts forth...

Posted May 16, 2013

Matter over mind?

Or matter with mind?

It will resonate with a lot of people I figure.

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w from brisbane swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 16, 2013

Why are they doing this when they could be bringing back the Six Million Dollar Man?.

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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted May 16, 2013

Oh, they mention the Six Million Dollar Man.
I could whip this bloke's butt, once I put on my Google Glass.

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Dino not to be confused with reckons...

Posted May 16, 2013
w,
The killjoys said Six Million Dollar Man couldn't possibly work cause of the muscular/skeletal problems.
OH and S came down on him with a ton of bricks for not bending his knees when he rolled cars over etc.
Sad but true.
i had a thang for 6milliond Woman Lindsay Wagner grrrrrr ChickyBabe!

w from brisbane has opinions thus...

Posted May 16, 2013

But Dino, I have seen a ton of bricks land on Steve. It didn't worry him a bit. Well, it did worry him a bit. But he was up and running quick smart.

Yeah, OH&S. Steve was too nice for his own good.

Lindsay Wagner. She was lovely.
I would have loved to see Steve and Jaime Sommers get together. Of course, they would have had to be very careful in the bedroom.

I also had a bit of a thing for Mindy, but that is off topic.

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tqft would have you know...

Posted May 16, 2013

I will watch it - Marg Helgenberger is my 2nd crush after Dana Delaney

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Anders is gonna tell you...

Posted May 16, 2013

And here I was hoping that the excellent Canadian series "Intelligence" had finally been given a new lease on life. I knew it was too much to hope for. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend tracking it down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_(TV_series)

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Murphy asserts...

Posted May 17, 2013

Didn't they do something like this with Chuck or some show like that?

Is this different because he is Spec Ops?

Not grabbing me, which means it will probably last ten seasons.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

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xenodyssey is gonna tell you...

Posted May 17, 2013

Sounds like a clone of Continuum without the time travel backstory since Kira's CMR implant does the same kind of things. Talk about tomorrow's technology today.

I think we'll be seeing more stories/shows that use these ideas as "chip in the head" becomes mainstream rather than /SFtechno fringe.

Still, I will be checking out the series.

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coriolisdave mumbles...

Posted May 17, 2013

Speaking of gnarly biffo, if you've not already tried Strike Back it's rollicking good fun (at least, from the rebooted season 2 when it started taking itself not so srsly)

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Posted May 17, 2013
Oh man, YES. The post s1 grimdark Strike Back rebooted into a spec ops buddy action comedy w/premium cable TnA is quite something.

Sliding catch of a 250lb iron bomb FTW.

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Ah, so Agent Coulson was on Level Seven

Posted May 15, 2013 into Telly by John Birmingham

That explains how he survived dying and everything.

*Slaps forehead*.

Can't believe I didn't see that one coming.

This new trailer will explain all. Or some. Or... well, it's pretty cool anyway, and the way they keep releasing a new one, slightly longer, every day, we should have the entire pilot up by the end of the week.

Props to the Beard for the new link.

You can read a painstaking overanalysis of the new trailer at Wired.

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w from brisbane mumbles...

Posted May 15, 2013

Please Mr. Whedon
Can we have an episode where S.H.I.E.L.D. crosses paths professionally with Agents Mulder and Scully?
Of course, Agents Coulson and Mulder like to butt heads a little because of their somewhat fraught back story.

I know, it would be too awesome.......just a dream.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted May 15, 2013

Dear god, it has it all, doesn't it? This is the X-files with less darkness, more super heroes and better production values.

John Birmingham reckons...

Posted May 15, 2013

And Joss. It has Joss.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted May 15, 2013

Our thoughts crossed in cyberspace, W.

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Barnesm would have you know...

Posted May 15, 2013

Anyone worried about how pissed the Avengers are going to be when they discover Fury lied about his death to manipulate them into becoming the Avengers. Guess they will need to be renamed 'The Suckers'.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted May 15, 2013

This was Loki's plan all along.

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elizagvrevell is gonna tell you...

Posted May 15, 2013

John - I love your work.

Particulary,'He Died With A Felafel in His Hand'.

I'm actually creating a story myself, about my own share house. It's a story for radio, actually. I've been trying to find a means of getting in contact with you so sorry if this seems like an odd way to do so.

I'd love to chat with you about your share house experiences, and of course, the book.

If it's easier, email me: elizarevell@live.com.au

I'd really enjoy it if we could have a chat :)

E.

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Steve mumbles...

Posted May 15, 2013

Wonder how quickly it will air in Aust, and where? Odds of it being available to download on iTunes?

John Birmingham mutters...

Posted May 15, 2013

Less than zero.

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TheWah mutters...

Posted May 15, 2013

Is this Torchwood but written by Joss Whedon?

I demand Capt Jack in SHIELD!

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted May 16, 2013

Captain Jack could do SHIELD some good.

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Blarkon has opinions thus...

Posted May 15, 2013

NextWave was better than Shield: http://marvel.com/comics/issue/3395/nextwave_agents_of_hate_2006_1

Dilph asserts...

Posted May 16, 2013

Amen to that.It's the absolute epiphany of 'splodey goodness. I'd love to see it as a movie... but it'll never happen.

Is Havock actually the Captain? They talk the same...

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Sudragon puts forth...

Posted May 16, 2013

If it lasts as long as Mr Whedons last 2 series, the Rage will burn down the internet.

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xenodyssey has opinions thus...

Posted May 16, 2013

So Ming-Na even if she is just the pilot is the surrogate Black Widow? Could be worse, I enjoyed her work in Stargate Universe.

I wonder if we will see the Helicarrier in the series.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted May 16, 2013

"I wonder if we will see the Helicarrier in the series."

I sure hope not. I mean, come on, it can be taken down by an arrow.

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Barnesm would have you know...

Posted May 16, 2013

I really loved in the trailer the quip about Shield standing for someone really wanted to use the name SHIELD.

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ShaneAlpha asserts...

Posted May 16, 2013

I keep hoping Marvel will eventually do some all out comedy. Like Damage Control.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted May 16, 2013

OMG I can't believe someone remembers Damage Control. But if there was ever a time for it to work as televison or film, it is now.

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ShaneAlpha reckons...

Posted May 17, 2013

Well, this is the company that brought you "Peter Porker: The Amazing Spider Ham"

And seriously with all the superhero stuff at the moment isn't now the time for an Australian network to sign Chaloner and Devries and we get "Southern Squadron"? Because it's way too much to hope for a Hairbutt the Hippo series.

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mordwa puts forth...

Posted June 10, 2013

'Damage Control' featuring the TV return of Ray Romano-

Okay, that started as a joke, "but"...

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Agents of Shield

Posted May 13, 2013 into Telly by John Birmingham

I don't know how they're bringing back Coulson and I don't know how they can do the Black Widow without Scarlett Johansson butIdontreallycarebecausethiswillbeFUCKINGawesome!

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TheWah asserts...

Posted May 13, 2013

Life Model Decoy oooooor Nick Fury tells big fat porkies to motivate, Gods, Engineering Savants,Super Soldiers, Gamma Irriadiated Experiments, Men with Bows and Women with Martial Arts.

I'm also rather pumped about this show

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xenodyssey reckons...

Posted May 13, 2013

Or it could be really, really lame...

I hope they have a big enough budget. I mean a cgi Iron Man guest appearing or even a digital double of Captain America would be nice.

DNABeast swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 15, 2013

But it's not so much about the Super heroics as it is about the background lohistics isn't it? It's not trying to emulate the films so much as complement them?

I hope so. That appeals to me.

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted May 15, 2013

Yeah, for too long now television has ignored the excitement of logisitcs.

DNABeast mutters...

Posted May 15, 2013

You're mocking me aren't you?

Look at shows like Frontline and Yes Minister. That was all about the background dealings. It's like the muscleheads and ninjas are all the public face and all the faceless guys in the background are where the clever things happen.

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beeso asserts...

Posted May 13, 2013

Pumped. This is whedons strength.

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Bunyip mumbles...

Posted May 13, 2013

Talking of Whedon, did anyone spot his cameo in Iron Man III?

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Lobes has opinions thus...

Posted May 13, 2013

I would love to see agent Coulson come back as Vision. It would break a bit from canon as in the comics Vision had its AI programmed using the brain wave patterns from Wonderman but I dont think its that big of a stretch to change the origin story like this. Wonderman was always a bit of a problematic character anyway, I think they would struggle to do him justice on screen.

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Blarkon would have you know...

Posted May 13, 2013

I don't think they are bringing in Black Widow. But if they did, there were multiple Black Widows anyway.

Natalia Romanova (who ScarJo played) and Yelena Belova http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Widow_(Yelena_Belova)

There is a series of comics where they do splodey against each other wearing the better parts of the Victoria Secret catalog.

And they say comics don't have cultural significance.

w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted May 13, 2013

If it is Joss Whedon, there will be a martial arts chick.
That is a certainty.

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Barnesm ducks in to say...

Posted May 13, 2013

Looks like Coulson from the trailer above. I want more Maria Hill action.

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ShaneAlpha ducks in to say...

Posted May 13, 2013

"Don't touch Lola." - I am so sold!

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Trashman asserts...

Posted May 14, 2013

Don't care. It's Marvel, It's SHIELD, It's Joss.

I may be unhealthily excited about this...

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted May 14, 2013

I don't know about you, but this is further proof that televsion, as a whole, just keeps getting better and better. Sure there are the usual disasters, but the Walking Dead, Hell on Wheels, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Game of Thrones, The Borgias etc. etc. etc. were not possible 20 years ago. And I believe the same is true for Agents of Shield.

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tqft mumbles...

Posted May 14, 2013

I may have watched this trailer 2 or 3 times.

Never was a big comic fan but this stuff is fun.

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Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted May 14, 2013

Can I repeat.

More Agent Maria Hill.

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Chaz swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 14, 2013

No one sees Coulsons body in the movies so maybe Fury lies a bit...

Am very happy about this series being conifmed lets jst hope the curse of Whedon doesn't mean it being canned after series 2

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tqft ducks in to say...

Posted May 14, 2013

Also for those who care about all things Joss Whedon - twitter --> JossActual

Doesn't have the verified tick when I check this morning but all signs are there it will be soon given the references the account has.

John Birmingham reckons...

Posted May 14, 2013

Where's my blue tick eh? When's it gonna be my tuuuuuurn?

tqft mutters...

Posted May 14, 2013

ask Marina Sirtis how hard it is to get ticked

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w from brisbane has opinions thus...

Posted May 14, 2013

For Firefly fans, Nathan Fillion seems a very charming, funny guy.
Basically, his first job was on a U.S. soap. He is a Canadian.
In this almost 2 hr interview (good stuff), there is a classic bit about the 'soap take', that long close-up which is a staple of the genre. Fillion tells how he got advice from from a fellow cast member about how to deal with the 'soap take'.

Slide to 46:40.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl6keMLaCR8

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Steve is gonna tell you...

Posted May 14, 2013

Could be a prequel to Avengers . . . . remember, SHIELD was around before the first Iron Man film.

An Idle Dad asserts...

Posted May 15, 2013

No, Wikipedia has it set after Avengers, and the description of Coulson has it that he returns from his 'apparent' death.

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Darth Greybeard ducks in to say...

Posted May 15, 2013

Longer version trailer. http://blog.worldswithoutend.com/2013/05/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-full-trailer/ I wish to watch this very much indeed.

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