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"And the spoils go to those with fewest fucks to give".

Posted July 22, 2016 into Politics by John Birmingham

This piece explainging "how trolls took the wheel of the clown car of modern politics", and which I found via Mike Carlton is a brilliant distraction as civilisation burns down around our heads.

So here we are at the Convention, where howling psychopath Donald Trump has just been confirmed as the presidential nominee, to the horror of half of the party and every remaining moderate conservative in America as well as the 15,000 members of the international press who flocked to see the circus in realtime. Milo is loving every second of it. He lost no time climbing on the back of the clown car of the billionaire demagogue who, with ghoulishly oedipal glee, he calls ‘Daddy.’

Read it all.

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JBtoo mutters...

Posted July 22, 2016
Sharp, succinct, scary.

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dweeze asserts...

Posted July 22, 2016
Scary indeed. Nicely written - terms like "unscrupulous whorebaggery" make me chuckle a lot...and then cry becuase they are so accurate.

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Surtac mumbles...

Posted July 22, 2016
A wonderful piece.

I first became aware of Laurie Penny via a guest post on (of course) Warren Ellis' blog around about the time of the 2011 London Riots and have followed her writings asiduously since. She's always worth reading.

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DarrenBloomfield mutters...

Posted July 22, 2016
"There is a dustbin fire behind the blank eyes of his human suit"

Best description of this Arseclown I've ever read.

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Rhino asserts...

Posted July 22, 2016
And now for something completely different ... We'll send a conservative to the DNC and have them pontificate about the evil there.

w from brisbane has opinions thus...

Posted July 22, 2016
I think Fox News will be doing that and they will be sending more than one.

Christopher Biggs puts forth...

Posted July 31, 2016
To be fair, Laurie's next 2 articles about the Democtraic convention are far from complimentary. They're worth reading. You can't dismiss this as "well a leftie WOULD say that"

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NeoMorph reckons...

Posted July 22, 2016
John Birmingham is just hoping that Hilary wins the Presidency so that his Axis of Time series will go from Science Fiction to Science Fact(ish).

I wonder how long it will take for them to name a ship the USS Hillary Clinton?

insomniac has opinions thus...

Posted July 22, 2016
Well according to JB, not long at all.

Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted July 22, 2016
Remember. In that universe the third term president of the U.S. is dead by 2021.

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Dave W asserts...

Posted July 22, 2016
It seems that Hunter has a worthy successor.

Rhino puts forth...

Posted July 23, 2016
She couldn't carry Hunter's drool bucket. A throwback reference to him and calling people names ... meh.

Yeah, it was pretty prose. Pretty, but empty. More like a college kid trying to emulate the Master by dropping some acid and hitting the keyboard. Hunter dragged this kind of thing, kicking and screaming, out of the shadows. The masses didn't know that it existed. Today, our self-styled princes and princesses abase themselves on the altar of YouTube, leaked sex tapes, Twitter, ad nauseum, They revel in the shocking of the masses and the masses eat it up with a spoon and ask for seconds.

This isn't the pure, undiluted power grubbing of Johnson or Nixon ... nope. This is evil and power grubbing as slapstick. Both sides.

damian mutters...

Posted July 23, 2016
Only because HST would have had nothing to do with guys like Milo or Roosh - he'd have talked openly about pulling their livers out through their mouths, but he wouldn't have dealt with them personally.

damian reckons...

Posted July 23, 2016
Of course when I say "deal with", I'm talking about personal interaction and not taking suitable measures in the execution of robust policy settings. Roosh in particular, he may have lured to Aspen and buried under rocks somewhere up above the snow line.

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DarrenBloomfield has opinions thus...

Posted July 22, 2016
Its you vs the creators of the Simpsons on this isn't it?

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Lulu would have you know...

Posted July 22, 2016
Trump: "We are going to build a border wall to stop immigrants"
Trudeau: "So are we"

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NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted July 22, 2016
Nice.

USA seems to have a system that selects for sociopathy. I accept that wasn't the intent. I wonder what was the intent? What is it that this process is designed to achieve? Commonality of porpoise, uniting behind the anointed, spur donors?

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DaveC reckons...

Posted July 22, 2016
Donald Trump and Boris Johnson.... do not have personalities, they have haircuts. Ugly ones. And we have fallen through the looking glass in which they see themselves reflected as small gods.

Brilliant. And so very, very scary.

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ShaneAlpha puts forth...

Posted July 22, 2016
Haven't the Mexicans figured out the a wall will not only keep them out but will also keep the Americans in...with Donald Trump...Forever!

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Barnesm mutters...

Posted July 22, 2016
That piece reminded me - must read more Laurie Penny

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Murphy_of_Missouri mumbles...

Posted July 22, 2016
We can only hope that one of the Vice-Presidents is worth a shit and that the primary candidate's term of office is very brief.

For the security agencies reading this post and wondering, I might direct you to this historical example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachary_Taylor#Death

DarrenBloomfield has opinions thus...

Posted July 25, 2016
I'm with you Murph.

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Brown Couch would have you know...

Posted July 23, 2016
If you ignore it, it will go away.

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon reckons...

Posted July 25, 2016
“If he can only perform good or only perform evil, then he is a clockwork orange—meaning that he has the appearance of an organism lovely with colour and juice but is in fact only a clockwork toy to be wound up by God or the Devil.” And if we are talking trump, orange is an understatement! I can just see him or Milo calling his mates droogs as they go out for a bit of the old ultraviolence :)

Gives me the shivers that piece. But the USofA will do what the rest of the western world has done. Divide itself right down the middle with the right coming out with a slim majority. Broken model . . . or is that a working model? I can never decide. Either way it is the decimation of the middle that has landed us here.

Timmo mumbles...

Posted July 28, 2016
I think you've hit on the perfect analogy with A Clockwork Orange. That's the exact same sense I get from this story - a scenario in which the banality of mindless violence (if only metaphorical in this sense), becomes super-scary due to the complete disconnectedness of the perpetrators.
When politics becomes frenzy, with bile and hatred whipped up just to drive the ego of some bit-part players who see it all as a game, I get quite disturbed. And maybe it's not just the bit part players who see it as a game - I'm yet to be convinced that The Orange One is playing for anything more than to soothe his fevered ego.
One positive though is the article does make me stop and think about how I play the twitter/internet game - pure reaction and unrequited opinions help no-one and perhaps contribute negatively to social discourse.

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GhostSwirv mutters...

Posted July 25, 2016
My wife, who I will kindly designate as GODDESS EARTH-MOTHER, for the purposes of CheeseBurgerynessness, (she's too feisty to be Mrs Ghosty) and I are off to the USA later this fiscal year.


We will be Halloweening in NYC before heading ways south onto DC during ELECTION HUNTING SEASON and are both starting to lose our shiny eyeball glintyness of whoa, we're going on a cool holiday to a mood more becoming of what the hell were we thinking and can we still cash in our tickets!


Does anyone have any advice on how to survive the impending opening of the HELLMOUNT that the eastern seaboard of the US seems to be precariously teetering on?


FormerlyKnownAsSimon has opinions thus...

Posted July 25, 2016
Apparently entree isn't entree sized - its much bigger and could feed two. Wholefoods also might be a good idea if you can find them. Stay away from tv and social media and the kerfuffle will seem like it doesn't exist. Pay attention to ground animals - if they are all running in a certain direction follow them at speed. That's all i got.

Therbs swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 25, 2016
If needs be Canada is to the north. Montreal's a pretty cool place and Toronto has some good pubs. Although it'd be a bit brisk up there early November. Mebbe Mexico, the Baja peninsula.

NBlob puts forth...

Posted July 25, 2016
Americans breakfast & BBQ far better than us. I happily lived on 2 meals a day there. Intercity trains rock, underground metros are excellent, all other public transport should be disregarded. Relative to Au cabs are cheap, 2 arses make them viable for much intercity type movement. Town cars and courtesy coaches are also excellent options. A nice fella at the arrival lounge with a sign saying "Mr Ghost", a van and a winning smile after a 18 hour flight is a beautiful thing. But the cities are massive. NYC and its Burroughs, cling ons, bedroom suburbs etcetera is fully 10 times the size of Melbourne.

NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 25, 2016
Tipping: default to anyone who does something for you gets a couple of bucks. Waiter & barman %15. Guy who takes your bags to hotel room $5. It's shit, but it's how their kids eat & they don't know any other way.

NBlob mutters...

Posted July 25, 2016
Americans are generally as generous as Arabs, more courteous than Brits, far more Gullible than Danes and as patriotic as the French -I think with more reason. They love a laugh and will frequently insist on offering you hospitality above & beyond. You can slag off their NFL, Hockey, ball, Basketball or NASCAR team and they'll usually accept it as good natured ribbing. Imply that the USA may be a touch intervention-happy (Chile, Granada, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq & the Stan oh my.) and you may cross a line. That old thing about "don't talk about money, religion or politics" may be an astute option, at least until you've assured yourself your new friend isn't armed.

Rhino ducks in to say...

Posted July 26, 2016
All of us are armed.

Murphy_of_Missouri asserts...

Posted July 26, 2016
Yeah, being armed has advantages.

Therbs would have you know...

Posted July 26, 2016
Its great how you can go into a bar in the U.S. ask a couple of dumb questions about the ball game which is being shown and all of a sudden become involved in a beery sports fest. Sometimes you need to repeat yourself given how the Strayan accent can confuse people.

Murphy_of_Missouri asserts...

Posted July 26, 2016
Therbs, any accent in this country confuses people here. Even the American accents have that effect.

GhostSwirv mumbles...

Posted July 26, 2016

Golly gee, shucks you guys - thanks a bunch. This is way more useful intel than I anticipated. Suddenly feeling much more prepared, although there was that little reference by RHINO and MURPH to the extra arms thingy ... given that Little 'Man o' Steal' Johnny Howard was George WubbleU's Deputy Dawg do we have to lock n' load and open carry - or can we just strangers in a strange land?

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Chris Brown's very funny election guide.

Posted July 3, 2016 into Politics by John Birmingham

I got this via email. Not sure where, if anywhere, it's been published. Happy to post the link if it turns up. It's very very funny, and you might just need it again in a couple of months:

NOT SURE HOW TO VOTE ON SATURDAY? Worried that the double dissolution will make it easier for the wrong people to get into the Senate? Me too. So I’ve written a cheat sheet that I can take into the booth with me to remind me who’s who.

Health Australia Party
Rebranding of the Natural Medicine Party, which was probably a better description. Anti-vaxxers, fluoridophobes and homeopaths trying to expand their business via changes to medical legislation.

Seniors United Party of Australia
Finally, a voice in parliament for the wealthiest generation that ever lived.

Family First
But only if your family consists of a white Christian man, a white Christian woman and at least two white Christian children and you believe everyone else is headed straight for hell.

Liberal Democrats
Headed by David Leyonhjelm, who made it into the Senate in 2013 because of a herd of Lib voters being too stupid to correctly identify their preferred party. The Lib Dems are committed Libertarians whose ability to ignore all of the evidence on every possible issue would make any cult proud.

VOTEFLUX.ORG | Upgrade Democracy
Flux (n) – an abnormal or morbid discharge of blood or other matter from the body. Whenever there’s a bill before the Senate, you use an app to discharge your opinion into a tame crossbencher and tell him (yes, it’s always going to be a him) which way to vote on each bill. Founded by two Bitcoin consultants, and works on the same blockchain principle, whatever the hell that means.

Liberal
You wake up in an ice bath and realise that your left leg is missing, and Rupert Murdoch tells you that brown people and greenies and reds all conspired to steal your leg and are coming back for the rest of your limbs, but then why is Rupert wearing a blood-stained hospital gown, and why does his left leg look familiar, and there, on the knee, isn’t that the scar that you got when you were ten years old and fell off your bicycle?

The Nationals
You wake up in a shed and realise that your left leg is missing, and Rupert Murdoch tells you that brown people and greenies and reds all conspired to steal your leg and are coming back for the rest of your limbs, but then why is Rupert wearing a blood-stained hospital gown, and why does his left leg look familiar, and there, on the knee, isn’t that the scar you got when you were ten years old and got kicked by a horse?

Democratic Labour Party (DLP)
If you’re an economic progressive yet somehow still a dyed in the wool Christian homophobe, this is the party for you.

Science Party
Formerly the Future Party. They’re still naïve, but now they’ve got a full quiver of policies, mostly geared toward fixing the shitblizzard of the last three years.

Australian Cyclists Party
Does exactly what it says on the box.

Shooters, Fishers and Farmers
This party is like the time I hurt my back a few years ago and thought the problem would go away like it always had before, except it didn’t and now I live with chronic back pain.

Voluntary Euthanasia Party
As advertised.

Socialist Alliance
The kind of socialists you can actually have a conversation with.

Rise Up Australia Party
The actual worst. Founded by someone who got thrown out of Family First for too much hate speech, which is like getting kicked out of Labor for not doing anything.

Labor
The post-war European centre right party for Australia today.

Online Direct Democracy – (Empowering the People!)
Like VOTEFLUX, but with PollyWeb instead of the Bitcoin blockchain. (If you say that sentence backwards at the stroke of midnight when the moon is full, Lucifer will appear and grant you three votes on bills that will never get up.)

Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party
It turns out that this is about Derryn Hinch’s notion of justice, not about bringing Derryn Hinch to justice. Which is disappointing. A Federal party campaigning on State issues, implying either ignorance or extreme cynicism. My money is on cynicism.

Jacqui Lambie Network
Anatomically incorrect: the logo is a map of Tasmania, but the policy platform is an arsehole.

Pirate Party Australia
Basically progressive, and I agree with them on most things, but their ideas on intellectual property are anti-artist and their views on tax are just idiotic.

Pauline Hanson’s One Nation
Have you ever licked a gallbladder?

Veterans Party
Supporting veterans with no nonsense, no political game playing and absolutely no policies.

Secular Party of Australia
Basically pretty great, but there are a couple of issues where the commitment to secularism starts to look a little like Islamophobia.

CountryMinded
I don’t agree with everything they say, but I’m not really their target audience. This is essentially the party that the National Party should be.

Socialist Equality Party
Trotskyists. Well-intentioned but fanatical. These are the people who never forgot that Che’s real first name was Ernest.

Katter’s Australian Party
Uncle Ho and Margaret Thatcher cohabiting in a single mind.

Palmer United Party
The earth will shake violently, trees will be uprooted, mountains will fall, and all binds will snap – Palmer will be free. Palmer will go forth with his mouth opened wide, his upper jaw touching the sky and his lower jaw the earth, and he will swallow Odin in a single gulp. Flames will burn from his eyes and nostrils, and his sons will come after to swallow the sun and the moon.

Citizens Electoral Council
Possibly just straight-up insane. Climate deniers, but economically kinda socialist. Anti-Semitic and possibly white supremacist, but pro-immigration. They also claim that the Port Arthur massacre was commissioned by the British royal family and implemented by a mental health NGO.

Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party
The Eddie the Eagle of befuddled right-wing governance.

Animal Justice Party
Better people than me.

The Arts Party
Sound policies, surprisingly shitty logo. Come on Arts Party, you had one job to do.

Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting)
Fielded candidates for the last six Federal elections. Seventh time lucky, guys.

Mature Australia
Your racist Western Australian aunt.

Christian Democratic Party (Fred Nile Group)
The party’s charter is just a bunch of bible quotes. It’s like we’re in Pennsylvania in the fucking 17th Century.

Australian Sex Party
Are you turned on by sound economic and social policies with a strong evidence basis? Then number the box and put your ballot in the slot.

Australian Progressives
A broad suite of evidence-based best practice policies that only seems progressive because Australia is such a regressive ideological clusterfuck.

Nick Xenophon Team
A bit far to the right for me personally, but Xenophon has done exactly what an independent senator is supposed to do, and pretty close to exactly what he said he would do. Which is refreshing.

Drug Law Reform
Single issue party focused on treating drug use as a health issue rather than a criminal one. The stance seems well reasoned. It’s just a bit hard to take them seriously when their logo is a hemp leaf.

Sustainable Australia
Formerly the Stable Population Party. They want a ‘sustainable’ population through lower immigration. If they actually cared about sustainability they’d be calling for a lower global population, but instead they’re calling for reduced population growth in a country with only 24 million people. Which means that what they are is simply racist.

The Greens
Yes, they wear suits now, but at least those suits are made from sustainable bamboo in a small Liberian social enterprise that sponsors education initiatives for orphaned girls.

Australian Liberty Alliance
Angry Anderson (remember him? didn't think so) vowing to stop the Islamisation of Australia. Last time I checked, Islam was holding steady at 2.2% of the population, so maybe one bald dickhead is all it takes to hold the hordes at bay.

Renewable Energy Party
Single issue, seems good prima facie, but founded by Peter Breen, who was Ricky Muir’s only staffer for a time. I can’t figure out whether this is a good sign (Breen taught Muir how to be a halfway decent senator) or a terrible sign (how can someone go from the petrolhead party to a renewables party and expect to be believed?).

Marijuana (HEMP) Party
Entirely about legalising weed, and there’s no suggestion that they’ve thought about a policy position on any other issues. My concern is that they’d side with anyone who takes snacks into the chamber.

Anti-paedophile Party
Fair enough, but they’re also anti-sex education. So they’re imbeciles.

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Rico is gonna tell you...

Posted July 3, 2016
Maybe this:
https://www.facebook.com/chris.browne.372/posts/10154153542606421

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Halwes mumbles...

Posted July 3, 2016
Stupid Labor are carrying on like they won FFS. They got a fairly low primary vote which was only supported by the clear thinking aussies who voted for independents and minor parties. I voted for the sex party and now no one will tell me where it is. I'm really hoping Pauline Hanson will be there. What a spunk. And so representative of our great country. Let's not forget that it is Queenslanders that have delivered this suppository of wisdom to us. How can I ever thank them enough?

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NBlob puts forth...

Posted July 3, 2016
Very fine. Very very fine, that and the "You can't waste your vote" flyer should have been pressed into the hands of every gormless pencil wielder in the country. At least then we'd have something to talk about. http://www.chickennation.com/2013/08/18/you-cant-waste-your-vote/

Halwes mumbles...

Posted July 4, 2016
Aussies are busily taking the piss and then you go and get all intellectual and serious on us Blob. Good link though. So if I vote for the sex party and put Corey Bernardi second then I can get dirty sex followed by Christian absolution and get to sit on the right hand side of god followed by dirty sex etcetera. Where do I sign?

NBlob has opinions thus...

Posted July 4, 2016
Just prick your thumb and place it *here*

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Moko mutters...

Posted July 3, 2016
I can't vote in Australia ... yet. Brace yourselves. But I always have voted for the Legalise Cannabis Party in UnZud. No reason to change now ... except for not being able to smoke because of work. Fucken stupid work.

NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted July 3, 2016
+1 stupid work.

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Therbs mumbles...

Posted July 4, 2016
Excellent!

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Lulu mumbles...

Posted July 4, 2016
"Socialist Alliance" and "Socialist Equality Party" - I was rather wondering if this was a Monty Python situation, with the People's Front of Judea vs Judean People's Front.

Sudragon mutters...

Posted July 4, 2016
Splitters!

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BigWillieStyle swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 4, 2016
I voted Flux in the Senate. I thought there should be at least person who did, plus I like the idea of having my very own Manchurian Candidate in parliament.

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Barnesm reckons...

Posted July 4, 2016
Brilliant stuff from Mr Brown, ideally he should be there to provide colour to Anthony Green's election reportage on the night.

Certainly less likely to invoke a desire to facepunch the screen which is the result of having Scott Morrison on the TV.

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Bangar mumbles...

Posted July 4, 2016
Remember there may not be some one to vote for but there is always someone to vote against

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bazzaa mumbles...

Posted July 12, 2016
I do a lot of volunteer work with pensioners. I'm afraid I don't see too many of these 'wealthy' ones, unless you measure wealth by how many times you make it to the PBS Safety Net?

Millenials, by contrast, are often to be found cruising downtown in their brand new 50 grand Hilux to pick up yet another 60" TV for their 8 bedroom McMansion.

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Brexit

Posted June 27, 2016 into Politics by John Birmingham

I'm back from a week at the beach and much has changed.

Lord Nblob wisheds to dicuss the UK's leaving of Europe, and possibly their senses, but I'm not familiar enough with it to write much. It just seems a bit of a monster raving loony decision to me.

Perhaps I shall turn this over to Mr Wrren Ellis, who weekly newsletter, Orbital Operations, was mostly concerned with the madness of Brexit.

(You can subscribe here).

Not a great week, eh?

I've spent the last couple of days wondering what the hell I'm going to say here. As most of you know, my country voted to leave the European Union.

Jo Cox, foreign aid worker, anti-slavery activist and MP, was shot in the face, shot twice more and then stabbed multiple times by a man who gave his name in court as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain." Vote Leave repeatedly flew a plane trailing the slogan banner "Take Control #VoteLeave" over her memorial in London. On the night of Leave's victory, UKIP leader Nigel Farage claimed to have won a war of independence "without a single bullet being fired."

Yes, I'm furious, still.

Ex-commodity broker Farage, inspired to enter politics by Enoch Powell and as cartoonishly-drawn an incipient Fascist leader as could be imagined, is gleefully informing people that Leave promises like 350 million a week put into the National Health Service were bare-faced lies and that he still intends to push for its dismantlement. The EU exit does not block future immigration, and towns like Sunderland that voted Leave experience around a quarter of the average immigration rate per capita. (Sunderland's massive swing for Leave is put down to one of the region's major employers, Nissan, writing to its employees suggesting they may want to consider Remain because something like half their output is sold into the EU.)

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (yes, you read that right) is likely to be the next Prime Minister - while Farage claims Brexit as a defeat of the elite by "ordinary. decent people," he has been an instrument in placing a man related to most of the royal families of Europe and educated in Brussels and Eton into power.

The EU is moving to punish us. Technically, the legal instrument to commence our exit from the EU doesn't have to be triggered for some time -- in fact, some legal voices say there's not actually a basis to trigger it at all. But it seems the EU intend to punitively fast-track British exit in order that other member states get a good look at what happens when you fuck up this badly.

Immigration is what makes this country great. Always has been. Free movement is what has allowed millions of British people to live and work in Europe. Kind of nervous about showing my face in Berlin or Paris now, to be honest with you.

Scotland want to negotiate their own stay in the EU, which is unlikely, as then it opens up the possibility of, say, the Basque region or Catalonia deciding they might like their own status with the EU as a precursor to another move for independence from Spain.

I confess to still not being completely rational about all this.

The Labour Party's defense of Remain was, frankly, somewhat half-hearted and somewhat stumbling, and now leader Jeremy Corbyn is dealing with movements to remove him by apparently setting up an auto-da-fe that seems quite likely to burn the current party structure to the ground.

And, hey, Sunday morning, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon thinks she sees a way to veto the exit. Concerns about rising hate speech. Leave campaign may not have had a post-win plan. Increases in hate speech reported. Rumblings of Corbyn planning to have ex-PM Tony Blair imminently investigated for war crimes, triggering a Blairite coup. Schisms in EU about speed of exit. Everything is happening very fast right now, and some of what I've said above may be about to change, and may already have changed by the time this reaches you.

I would love to have something brilliantly clever to say about all this, or even warmly comforting, but I am feeling neither clever nor comfortable.

Perhaps I may sleep under Glastonbury Tor until Albion needs me again.

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Surtac mutters...

Posted June 27, 2016
Warren is always wise.

Remember, despair is a sin. Anger, such as Warren's above, is a better reaction.

My own reaction, as a non-Brit but married to a Scot, is severe disappointment.

Murphy_of_Missouri ducks in to say...

Posted June 28, 2016
Not about the reading habits of folks living in the American Midwest, but then I digress.

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Dave W puts forth...

Posted June 27, 2016
Travelling to Germany in a few weeks. Mrs W and I are both UK passport holders. But will be blazoning ourselves with Aussie flags, now.

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Therbs puts forth...

Posted June 27, 2016
To me it was the anti-immigration types pandering to a "Love Thy Neighbour" mentality; "Eeeeh! That Eddie's a scamp isn't he? But deep down a loverly chap."
That sort of fear of outsiders taking jobs, culture and national identity away was not countered well by the Remain group. There is now the real concern that those who work in manufacturing and service industries will lose jobs as EU countries look elsewhere for products. The older voters who strongly supported the "leave" campaign may well find their pension funds devalued in the subsequent ructions in markets and uncertain trade arrangements. That'd be a fine irony.
There is some thought that the younger voters who'd prefer to stay didn't turn out in enough numbers because, you know, Facebook, Twitter and lassitude.
It was an emotional vote based on fear and a yearning for "old" Great Britain. Its almost as if they want to bring back rationing, crap Leyland cars and pub's closing between lunch and dinner. Oh, and Dick Emery.
The politics of fear. Emotion over thought.
Kinda reminds me of something.
So when do we start sending care packages again?

HAVOCK21 ducks in to say...

Posted June 27, 2016
Can anybody tell me why the incumbent retards didnt make this a MANDATORY FKN VOTE! or did they think they had the numbers etc etc. I'm watching .........its a fkn train wreck I think..pending!

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Aaron is gonna tell you...

Posted June 27, 2016
Who needs a clever conspiracy when all you need is some half assed rhetoric aimed at people who couldn't be bothered to google what they were voting on.

insomniac ducks in to say...

Posted June 27, 2016
Are you referring to Great Britain or Australia?

Bondiboy66 mutters...

Posted June 27, 2016
Seems to work well for both....

Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted June 28, 2016
Apparently they googled it AFTER they voted. At least according to the google analytics including the phrase 'what is the EU?'

Cynic reckons...

Posted July 15, 2016
Hi Barnesm

That was debunked the day before you posted that comment.

http://www.ibtimes.com/no-britons-were-not-frantically-googling-what-eu-hours-after-brexit-vote-2387205

damian mutters...

Posted July 16, 2016
Yep, definitely sea-lioning.

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pitpat reckons...

Posted June 27, 2016
I think from what I have read that the majority have given the elite the finger. Those well educated smug condescending and well meaning individuals have just had a powerful lesson in why you should go down to the pub on a Friday evening to have a listen to what the shop worker, the single parent, the recently sacked, and the middle management types think when they are half cut and are more likely to tell you what they actually think.

The majority that voted for the exit have done so purely out of self interest. This is at least honest. Whether it was an emotional or rational response is not relevant. From my distant view I can see no morally right or wrong position, and economically it is far from clear that the EU was going to survive much longer anyway. It may turn out to be well out of the coming carnage that is surely coming western Europe's way.

Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted June 28, 2016
"so purely out of self interest" like the town Ebbe Vale in Wales that of those who voted, 62% voted to leave, inspite of meaning they loose out on significant funding provided by the EU. The Guardian estimates 1.8bilion promised by the EU for infrastructure by 2020 is no longer assured.

Its not self interest, when you aren't provided with the correct information to make a rational decision. How can you know what's in your 'best interest' when your are manipulated and those who you depend on for information lie to you.

pitpat ducks in to say...

Posted June 28, 2016
I'd agree with a caveat. That being that at the time of casting their vote they acted in what they thought was in their ( and presumably their families) best interest based on the information they had to hand. It is not rational. Voting is a popularity contest, it is not based on merit, the best idea does not always win, if you give people a binary choice don't be surprised if they don't agree with you. The failure of the 'remain' camp and the EU in general to positively articulate their message only exacerbated an already fear laden older populace who are worried about their children's future. These are the people who voted.

Therbs would have you know...

Posted June 28, 2016
Similarly with agriculture. The EU subsidises UK agriculture by 2.5 - 3 billion pounds per year. This represents up to 60% of income for farmers who receive EU and environmental subsidies. Farms which aren't economically viable but assist in maintaining a green environment (and look pretty as well) are subsidised. This happens throughout the EU. So there's another thing which the UK government will need to address.
Other will point out the possible movement of financial businesses (what they call The City in London) to EU bases. London has been seen as an important hub in the EU financial world. Mebbe not so much in the near future.
A lot of consequences which weren't considered. Fear won.

damian would have you know...

Posted June 28, 2016
London is the biggest exchange market for the Euro, even though the UK is not a Eurozone country. It can only do this because the UK is an EU member state, which means it simply can't continue when that isn't the case.

Therbs reckons...

Posted June 28, 2016
Yep. I reckon the facilities/real estate teams in the major banks/institutions will be keeping an eye out on commercial lease options for extra floor space in their Euro locations. In a year or two could be some attractive lease options come up in the vacated London spaces.

damian puts forth...

Posted June 28, 2016
Not to mention housing not longer required for City yuppies. It could mean apartments in London becoming affordable for the first time in generations.

Cynic asserts...

Posted July 15, 2016
Damien: "London is the biggest exchange market for the Euro, even though the UK is not a Eurozone country. It can only do this because the UK is an EU member state, which means it simply can't continue when that isn't the case."

- I don't think that's true: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/06/30/hollandes-empty-threat-to-strip-london-of-euro-trading-and-clearing-post-brexit/#17757f1e3720

damian puts forth...

Posted July 16, 2016
The article you link doesn't actaully say that, rather it characterises Hollande saying something similar as an "empty threat" and makes a series of assertions without any convincing argument or citation. This opinion piece in Forbes doesn't say anything about the quite widespread discussion around the London financial markets finding more accommodating homes in Frankfurt, Paris and Rome. The columnist appears to be arguing against a case that no-one is making.

You on the other hand seem to be sea-lioning.

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Sparty ducks in to say...

Posted June 27, 2016
I voted "Remain" ,now that was a catchy slogan :-(
So my two cents (actually only 1.4 cents since Stirling devalued)

apart from the dire economic consequences (which may or may not be long term)
1. Union will break up- Scotland will leave
2. Connected to the above, and the fact we can’t afford it- we won’t have a Trident replacement. I don't particularly want a replacement (although i do think we should keep nukes - anything that would make a mess of a few cities in Middle East should suffice) but I know that Putin will consider cancellation a geopolitical win.
3. Irish problem will reignite, and you know what- as the son of an Ulster protestant I’d actually support a United Ireland now.
4. Boris pure rationale was to become leader of Tory party and PM – but he counted on losing the vote – but still critically wounding Cameron – now we’re leaving its genuinely acknowledged that Boris lack of eye for detail just isn’t up to the job…..so he may have F’*ked himself as well as the country.
5. This may be the first chink in the western alliance which brings everything tumbling down.
6. The pre-eminence of the english language (and associated value system may well suffer as a consequence
7. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=brexit+planet+of+apes+cartoon&client=firefox-b&biw=1093&bih=458&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji1aCr8sfNAhWkB8AKHZUvDoMQ_AUICCgD#imgrc=ev8-UzkurzPTsM%3A

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NBlob reckons...

Posted June 27, 2016
1. Tip of the thinsulate lined beanie.
2. 2 parts ignorance, 1 part anger. Blend with a handful of Apathy. Blend. Serve in a tall glass with bruised & balkanised Tories.
3. Or the first proxy war between Murddoch aging Sultanate vs El Goog & Farcebook.

Barnesm ducks in to say...

Posted June 28, 2016
That would taste awful.

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damian mumbles...

Posted June 27, 2016
Scotland will do something, whether or not they can block the Brexit. Their second secession referendum is "highly likely". I don't see how independent Scotland in the EU means a Basque state too, but also not convinced if it did that would be a bad thing (though cf Northern Ireland).

Not sure how many more whispers of Irish Unity it will take to make us suddenly very aware just how many guns the IRA and the UDA/UFF have squirreled away. Both sides contain factions of humorless people with long memories, who weren't really convinced the fighting should stop the last time around. Not sure an independent Ulster makes any more sense of course.

For England an immediate increase in the frequency and severity of racist violence (some say already happening, others that it's the new normal). Farange has already proudly boasted that the thing he said about the NHS was a big lie. Cameron has trashed Jonson's career on his way out. Already clear that as far as the Tories are concerned membership of the EU or not will have zero effect on immigration. And whatever is left of the UK will have at least one land border with at least one EU member state (not counting the chunnel).

The other part is that the investment bankers (not just rhyming slang here) will likely need to relocate and that's a really big deal. The London financial markets have made a big, big thing out of being based in a non-Eurozone but EU member state. Maybe the Brits are well in the rights to see the backside of those parasites, but it doesn't mean they, or the rest of the world, get a free ride through any resulting economic effects. No-one really knows what those are right now. It might not be a massive global recession, but it's not likely to be happy fun times either. For us looking to something like Swann's performance in 2007/8 is the model for weathering that, and we can only hope there isn't a nitwit like Morrison in the hot seat when the time comes.

Lulu mumbles...

Posted June 28, 2016
"Not sure an independent Ulster makes any more sense of course."

Going by my own extended family, the humorless Ulster Presbyterians who paint Union Jacks on their letterboxes tend to have cultural / family / etc links with Scotland. So if Scotland exits the UK to stay in the EU, they might be happy doing the same. However, the possibility of a "United Kingdom of Scotland & Ulster" might be looked upon less kindly by the Ulster Republicans.

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damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted June 27, 2016
And le sigh, is there a reliable way to get paragraph spacing in this place anymore?

NBlob would have you know...

Posted June 28, 2016
You need to pop down to Greybeard's HTML foundry. He wrought for me a pair of jabby brackets and a nice br to fit between them. They work quite well

sometimes.

NBlob mutters...

Posted June 28, 2016
Sometimes, when fruit fondle slab doesn't auto capitalise.

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted June 28, 2016
Seems legit

Huzzah!

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Aaron asserts...

Posted June 27, 2016
My statement could apply to both oz and uk or most places for that natter.

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Dirk would have you know...

Posted June 28, 2016
About 300 kliks from ground zero on the other side of the channel, dust is settling. The vox populi that rears its - imho ugly - head in Europe at the moment and won it's first battle. And though we, on this side of the channell will reap the benefits of this, the situation saddens me. I'll explain:

For all intends and purposes it's 1848 again. Then as now in an continent that was at peace, it was believed something had to change. Sure, the EU isn't perfect, neither are those who rule it. But thinking that a process of splitting it up is the solution, will have dire consequences.

1848 brought us constitutional monarchies, liberalism, revolutions, the naissance of socialism, and a lot of death. War in the 1860-1880 followed in Germany, Denmark and France, which led to ultimately WW1 and 2.

So a few predictions:
1. the end of the United Kingdom; broken up in a block of England-Wales, an independent Scotland (in the EU) and maybe even an united Ireland (also in the EU).
2. England klinging to it's nukes, but with no money to renew them. High unemployment and an exodus of intellect and capital.
3. A new EU in which the Benelux, Austria and Germany (and maybee a France under Sarkozy and Italy) will become for all intends and purposes one state (USofE lets say). A safe haven for British capital and free minds, but with a strict immigration barrier to the not so fortunate brothers and sisters in the rest of Europe and Africa/ME.
4. A fractured old EU in which a Front National dominated France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and the Eastern block will have to lick their wounds and hope for handouts from the USofE block.
5. A Scandinavian block which will be more akin to the German/Benelux block and in the future could merge with it.

But one thing will be certain I fear. There will be blood and tears. A Chinese curse is "May you live in interesting times". Alas we do ...

So the glass is half empty I fear.

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NBlob mutters...

Posted June 28, 2016
Another thought bubble:
Campaigns I've witnessed featured nuanced messages that bore *some* relationship with what one could call reality.

It would seem that some of the statements made ( I only know of examples from the Exit campaign) were flat false. Out & out horesh!t with 0.0 factual content. Yet people, presumably good, normal rational people reacted to these myths as fact. <Br>
Consequences?

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NBlob has opinions thus...

Posted June 29, 2016
That nice young Mr Carlin has an interesting take.

Suggesting that under an authoritarian regime the Lumpenproles can be *reasonably* controlled through a playbook old as the hills.

In a participatory democracy the proles, once sufficiently disaffected with the Established parties, start delivering electoral FuckYous. Probably to their own long term cost, but (& heres the rub) not significantly more than they were getting screwed by the current version.

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Guy reckons...

Posted June 30, 2016
I voted Leave for the simple reason that I want my country to be governed by people I can vote to remove if I think they're doing a crap job. I can't vote for anyone on the European Commission or the "President of Europe", yet these people have huge power over the UK.

Also, the EU is a disaster, with the nonsensical Eurozone about to fall apart and the Schengen passport-free zone being a paradise for terrorists (remember the Paris and Brussels bombs?) and hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants.

Yes, there's a lot of instability because of Brexit, but it will settle down, and I don't believe anyone in the USA would accept people from Costa Rica or Chile having a big say in how America is run, so why should we accept people from Slovenia and Spain having power over the UK?

I don't know about Australia - would you be happy taking orders from politicians from Indonesia and Japan?

Frankly I'm getting a bit sick of being told that anyone who voted to Leave is obviously a racist. You may not agree with me, but remember I'm part of the majority.

Lulu would have you know...

Posted June 30, 2016
Guy, unless something has changed in the past couple of years, the UK is not part of Schengen. The last time I got a Schengen visa (2010) it did not entitle me to enter the UK.

NBlob mutters...

Posted June 30, 2016
Interesting, thank you. & No disrespect intended.

damian mutters...

Posted July 1, 2016
A better analogy for Australia would be people in Tasmania seeing their concerns constantly overridden in favour of people in NSW due to the vastly disparate number of seats in the House of Reps. Though talk of Tasmanian secession has only ever been raised as a joke in my living memory.

Of course here, the federal system has a balance for that in that Tasmania (pop 500k) and NSW (pop 7.5mill) get the same number of senators. The Council of Europe is supposed to be the equivalent but doesn't provide the same kind of balance. European Parliament does have the population based proportionality of a House of Reps (though it's proportional within constituencies made up of member states) but not in the Council.

The US version of your analogy would better reflect hte situation if you put it the other way around - that Costa Rica (not quite a state yet but no longer quite not one, eh?), Hawaii and Alaska have their concerns overriden by California or New York State.

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Guy mutters...

Posted June 30, 2016
Hi Lulu - no we're not part of Schengen, thank goodness. I was saying that it's one of the main things wrong with the EU. It has been hailed as "the greatest triumph of the European project" recently by the Commission President, but it's been a disaster in practice. Actually it's mostly suspended at the moment as more than a million refugees were using it to reach Germany, France and Holland. The Leave campaign was strongly advocating an Australian-style points system.

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Berning down the House

Posted February 10, 2016 into Politics by John Birmingham

It's not exactly interesting that the two candidates who inspire the most fervant followings are at the extremes of the US primaries. Things are naturally a little gnarlier out there on the fringes. What's interesting about Trump and the Bern is not the energy, but the mass. Their followings are not fringe-sized. They're what groovy 60's political scientists used to call 'mass publics'.

I liked this, bemused, slightly patronising piece in The Atlantic about Sander's youthful jihadis. I don't think it actually meant to be patronising, but there is a real 'Kids these days' feel to it.

They line up for hours to see Sanders, snow accumulating on their puffy jackets and knit caps and uncombed hair. They fill college arenas, chanting, “Ber-nie! Ber-nie!” They gather in little knots as they wait for him to appear, engaging in impromptu rap sessions about pot legalization and campaign-finance reform. They are feeling the Bern.

If Sanders wins the New Hampshire primary on Tuesday, as he is favored to do, it will be because of the youth movement he has inspired. It will be a stunning result in a state that has historically been friendly to Bill and Hillary Clinton, a dramatic overthrow of the Democratic machine by a rebellious new generation of liberals. And if nobody saw this coming, that may be because nobody was listening to what the kids were trying to tell us.

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BigWillieStyle has opinions thus...

Posted February 10, 2016

Meh. Our own Kevin Rudd was tuned in to the kids years before Bernie. Back in 2007, you couldn't walk down the street without tripping over a collective of groovy youths flashing their "Kevin 07" merch.

And the tweets! Remember when KR used to totally rock the Twittersphere? "Hey there Hep Cats. Just chillaxing to Lady GooGoo while wording up my homeboys." Those were the days.

pi swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 10, 2016
Yes, and the establishment that brought him down from his own party led to the election of Tony Abbott.

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DarrenBloomfield mumbles...

Posted February 10, 2016
I read it, and didn't pick up the patronising vibe you felt, to be honest.
It'll be interesting to see where these kids go when it's election time and it's Hillary versus someone (probably Rubio). I suspect they'll stay home, and start looking for the next Bernie. Probably a female one.

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DarrenBloomfield reckons...

Posted February 10, 2016
I dunno Murph
I bummed around Europe the (northern) summer of '92. A lot of Seppos wandering around in "Run, Ross, Run" caps and tees.
This too shall pass.

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Murphy_of_Missouri reckons...

Posted February 10, 2016
On a more serious note, my facebook feed is inundated on a regular basis by former students and lifeguard coworkers who are constantly pushing the need to, "Feel the Bern."

Dave W swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 10, 2016
On a brighter note, these people have self-identified for de-friending, making the whole process very easy for you.

Murphy_of_Missouri ducks in to say...

Posted February 11, 2016
I prefer not to do that, given that more than a few were my better students. Unlike some in academia and science fiction, I don't feel that it is my job to indoctrinate them when they are in my classroom. If I unfriend them for merely holding a different point of view, well, I don't think that reflects well on me, or what I tried to teach them.

FormerlyKnownAsSimon ducks in to say...

Posted February 11, 2016
Social media is no place for reasoned thought. How dare you take such a position! : )

Dave W reckons...

Posted February 11, 2016
Yeah, I was seeing this as the perfect opportunity to make a snap-judgement on whether some of these people are worthy of being your 'friend'. Reasoned thought be damned!
I do this all the time. Share a picture of a butterfly exhorting me to remember that angels are real. Defriended. It's not personal, it's just about whether what I have now learned about someone continues to qualify them for my friendship.

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Blarkon reckons...

Posted February 10, 2016
Went to one of his rallies when I was in Portlandia last year. Very little that he proposed was different to what Australians generally have already - it's just that the US is very different to Oz, so things like our health system and HECS are frightening and alien to an American audience.

Murphy_of_Missouri would have you know...

Posted February 11, 2016
Obviously never visited a Department of Veterans Affairs hospital or any given military medical facility. When you do, get back with me on some notes per compare and contrast with the Aussie system.

dweeze asserts...

Posted February 11, 2016
That's all well and good if you are a Vet. Methinks the scaly one referred to public health care which, while far from perfect in Oz, is infintely more accessable to all than in the US. Besides, I've heard a few tales from US Vets not too enamoured of DVA's / beauraucro-bloat.
HECS only frightened me when I finally earnt enough to have to pay it off and it was mere peanuts compared to the size of current courses / student debt in either country.

Murphy_of_Missouri ducks in to say...

Posted February 11, 2016
You honestly think that any government run health system in the United States will operate any differently than the ones it currently operates?


dweeze would have you know...

Posted February 11, 2016
Ahah - I think we got got our wires crossed there. Yes, US DVA care would seem to be pretty crap.
I was more referring to punters being refused (or downgraded) public hospital admission / treatment without insurance. For all of the faults in Oz public health, anyone can present to a hospital and get treated. Of course, those with the $$$ (read: expensive private health insurance), can always get better treatment at a private hospital.
Either way, you guys are stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to your gummintal leadership options.

Murphy_of_Missouri has opinions thus...

Posted February 11, 2016
Truth.

Rhino reckons...

Posted February 13, 2016
Hospitals/Emergency rooms will not turn someone away for lack of insurance. It is the law.
For this reason, many uninsured/undocumented use the hospital system for things for which the insured use GPs.

NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 13, 2016
Mr Rhino sir. I understand that there is Duty of Care which obliges hospitals to treat the needy. However, under your user pays system, one can find oneself with a debt bigger than Fuji San.

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Lobes has opinions thus...

Posted February 10, 2016
ive got $50 on Bernie to win the general election at 40/1, thats a payout of $2000, fuck yeh feel the bern babieeee

I luv capitalism

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Babes would have you know...

Posted February 11, 2016
We have definitely been feeling the Bern in our house, and we are not even that young! The extremists are taking control because the establishment stinks on both sides. Voter turnout was record-breaking in both Iowa and New Hampshire because people who never felt motivated to vote are feeling like someone cares about them for a change. As terrifying as Trump's rise is, he is feeding into (or on) a lot of scared, put upon people who (rightly) feel like a Bush or a Cruz or a Rubio does not have their back (neither does Trump, but I digress). I found this analysis of the Sanders/Clinton contest pretty interesting: http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2016/02/05/why-bernie-vs-hillary-matters-more-than-people-think/

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted February 11, 2016
The extremists are taking control because the establishment stinks on both sides.

You
are absolutely correct about the reasons for what we are seeing - i.e., mass anger at the political party elite. We are
watching one of the self-correcting mechanisms of American politics in
operation.

Power corrupts and tends to concentrate in fewer and
fewer people. The concentration of power causes empowered and
therefore privileged groups to increasingly benefit at the inevitable
detriment of the larger groups that do not have the power to influence the
political/economic system to their advantage.

This has happened
since the beginning. The result is always a peasant uprising that
doesn't do much of anything substantive, or actual revolution that upends
the system but does nothing more than place a new group in power, and
the whole cycle happens again.

Not here. Our founders very
wisely recognized the evils of concentrating power and the benefits of
disbursing power. Two, sometimes three, political parties are the
gateway to the manipulation of government for private gain. Power
concentrates, of course, and all political parties become the running
dogs of the 1%. And we accept that, so long as the political elite
provide enough benefits to the rank and file.

Eventually, the
concentration of power causes political parties to become less and less effective at being the means of providing benefits to party members.
And when a tipping point of popular frustration takes place, little
admirably non violent revolutions take place resulting in reform or
the end of one party, replaced by another. Our political system is
designed for little, non violent revolutions every now and then (from my
perspective, the American labor and civil rights movements were non
violent revolutions).

That's what we are watching take place right now.
From my viewpoint the really important, most fascinating question is
whether the Democratic and/or the Republican Parties will survive, or will they join the Federalist, the Democratic-Republicans, the Anti-Masonics, the Whigs and the Free Soil parties in the trash bin of history.

My
bet is the DNC will reform sufficiently to continue to exist, but the
rise of Donald Trump means the end of the RNC.

One last comment:
neither Trump nor Sanders are extremists. Sanders is a moderate
socialist. Trump is an outsider who is attempting a hostile takeover of
the GOP.

Babes has opinions thus...

Posted February 11, 2016
I agree they aren't extremists, only in comparison to their parties, which again, stink. I totally agree with your assessment that the RNC needs to take a dirt nap and the DNC will likely squeak by. After all, Sanders is actually trying to reform the DNC whereas I think Trump is, as you suggest, trying to end the RNC.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted February 11, 2016
Trump isn't trying to end the RNC. He is trying to ride an insane clown car for as long as he can hold on. For him this is inexpensive fun with no downside no matter how it finishes. He would prefer the RNC remain intact for his use.

Trumps involvement spells the end of the RNC for other reasons. His continuing rise from not only outside of the GOP - but in opposition to it - means the RNC cannot control its base for the purposes of national elections. The vast majority of those who the RNC need to control in order to project political power are following an outsider and have, essentially, formed a new, separate political party. After this election, those RNC/GOP loyalists still standing will devolve into a "rump" political party.

The longer Trump lasts, the more the RNC fractures, spelling the end of the GOP.

Barnesm puts forth...

Posted February 11, 2016
a peasant uprising, like a jacquerie? does that mean French pastries are involved - I'm in.

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Rob mumbles...

Posted February 11, 2016

I think the one thing that Sanders does that's different from everyone else, is he actually has policies. And he has beliefs. So he's making promises that are costed ( or costly depending on which side of wall street you live on) His appeal is to the proletariat , Americans might have finally accepted that they aren't going to get to the top by blind adherence to the American dream and hard work. Americans work hard and some work hard for no reward at all. But his policies are mostly like Australian policies, a regulated industrial relations system, an Australian Medicare system, regulated banks.

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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted February 11, 2016
PNB, what about Michael Bloomberg? Is he serious? What would be the impact of his candidacy?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted February 11, 2016
Yes, he is serious (as serious as a billionaire can be about spending money to enter what amounts to a beauty contest).

Cannot yet assess the impact of Bloomberg actually doing it.

Babes swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 11, 2016
I really hope he doesn't run, but he probably will, given that he is a very, very rich person who has gotten an idea. Also, I think that Bernie will do better than expected in the states that will hold primaries before his self-imposed deadline to run.
It would certainly be even more interesting than it's been already--Sanders would get the chance to be David vs. Goliath(s), with real life examples to portray his message about what an oligarchy US politics have become and how he wants to return the power back to the 99%. (And Americans love a good underdog, not to mention Bible metaphors, so I really think he could pull it off).

Lulu asserts...

Posted February 11, 2016
"(And Americans love a good underdog, not to mention Bible metaphors, so I really think he could pull it off)."

I disagree. Seems like a nice guy, good ideas etc, but I don't think he'd meet the electability test.

Babes ducks in to say...

Posted February 11, 2016
I guess we'll see...he continues to outperform Hillary in all the polls against Republicans and Hillary just got fewer votes in NH than when she won it in 2008. He just raised $6.4 mil in 24 hours in individual donations that averaged $34. I'd personally kind of like to see more proof that Hillary is electable.

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Grand Admiral Thrawn mutters...

Posted February 11, 2016
i hope America can be spared for the scourge that is socialism. i live in Manitoba Canada, we have had a socialist party(the NDP) in charge my province for a long time. we now have a huge debt, crappy infrastructure, bloated bureaucracy, our public health has the longest wait times in the country and the taxes keep going up to pay for social programs that are inefficient and constantly cheated.,i really hope that it can be avoided in America, good luck you'll need it if sanders is elected.

Murphy_of_Missouri ducks in to say...

Posted February 11, 2016
Again, check out any given Veteran's Hospital if you want to know what universal health care in this country will look like.

Barnesm would have you know...

Posted February 11, 2016
one data point doesn't make a proof.

Babes mutters...

Posted February 11, 2016
Murph, my dad raised us saying the same thing about the "socialized" health care he received in the military. He also insisted that we already have universal healthcare because no one can be denied treatment at a hospital! If it's horrible no one will stand for it and we can always revert back, but sitting stubbornly on a shitty system will never make it better.

Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted February 11, 2016
Barnes, honestly?

How many stories do you need? Why don't you just google Agent Orange. I'll wait. You'll have your avalanche of data points.

Babes would have you know...

Posted February 12, 2016
Oh, funny, I thought Barnes was referring to the comprehensive international list compiled by the World Health Organization that I posted as one data point.
I would actually be totally shocked if Sanders, even if he could get elected, were able to succeed in taking people's private healthcare away from them. Doesn't he know how well-armed the people here are? (And I mean, three years ago I had a 9 cm ovarian cyst removed for $30.00 so it works just fine for me!)
I think the best solution would actually be getting an expanded ACA in place that covers EVERYONE not covered by their employers, not employed, not covered through spouses or parents, etc. Which I think is exactly what Hillary wants, anyway. My problem with her is that she's compromising even before she sits at the table. The greater your starting demands, the more you're going to get.

Babes mutters...

Posted February 12, 2016
Oh, and states can opt out of ACA without offering any alternative, which is so wrong! My sister needs it and would qualify, but SD opted out so she's paying $300/month for private insurance on a waitress's salary.

Adam Denny puts forth...

Posted March 23, 2016
In San Francisco, the ACA has left MediCal for me anyway, pretty much the rough equivalent of being back in Australia with a Medicare Card. I am fully aware how lucky I am, that there are vast chunks of the country where the Republicans have ignored the ACA, and I would still have no access to healthcare. Here I do though, and sorry Murph, I know the Vet system is terrible and you blokes who served deserve better. I'm just saying my experience of public healthcare here thanks to Obama is almost no different to back in Australia.

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Mark R, Whittington mumbles...

Posted February 11, 2016
I am old enough to have seen this movie before, with the role of Bernie Sanders being played by George McGovern. Sanders will suffer a similar fate.

Trump, on the other hand, frightens me.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted February 11, 2016
That's because you are a loser. Just ask Trump.

Murphy_of_Missouri puts forth...

Posted February 11, 2016
Trump, the demagogue the Founders worried about.
Reminds me of Huey Long.

Babes asserts...

Posted February 12, 2016
I just endured a piece on Slate basically saying, "If you don't understand Clinton's appeal, then you don't understand the complacency that comes with middle age. Vote for Clinton." ! What successful or transformative political movement was ever dominated by people over 40? In NH, Clinton only won among people over 65 or making over $200k, and even then only by a little. Saying, "I've given up, and so should you" is never a good rallying cry. ;-P

Lulu mutters...

Posted February 12, 2016
oh god not again. And I didn't even copy/paste. Please delete that, thanks.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted February 12, 2016
Done. If you first paste something you intend on using in a comment into a text only document, it will automatically strip the content of the coding stuff you don't want. Then you can copy it again and paste it without all that junk showing up.

GhostSwirv has opinions thus...

Posted February 12, 2016
Did you just teach us all something useful?

I fear that there is going to be an inevitable, unexpected and significantly soul-destroying cost.


Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted February 12, 2016
It is people like you that keep people like me from having any fun.

GhostSwirv has opinions thus...

Posted February 12, 2016

Its people like me who follow people like you's advice and then end up not stripping the content of coding stuff that I don't want!

In the interest of fun ... please sir explain the process of adding a weblink to this blog ... its FebFast and I have a right kidney that's not been too overworked these past 13 days that I'm to trade to a good home.

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Mark R, Whittington reckons...

Posted February 11, 2016
I could only wish I could be publicly denounced by the Donald. It would put me in an eclectic group of people.

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All of the terrible things Hillary Clinton has done

Posted February 8, 2016 into Politics by John Birmingham

In one long list by Brett Arends, a reporter who'd been covering her his whole adult life. There are 66 of them. I tried to restrict myself to the fair use of just ten and a link but I couldn't help it. 1-22 below. The rest at the end of the jump.

1. When she was first lady, she murdered White House lawyer Vince Foster and then dumped his body in a park.

2. She drove Vince Foster to commit suicide through her temper tantrums.

3. She was having an affair with Vince Foster.

4. She’s a lesbian.

5. Chelsea isn’t Bill Clinton’s child.

6. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up that she once bought a tract of undeveloped land in Arkansas and lost money.

7. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up her role in firing the White House travel department.

8. After she murdered Vince Foster, she ransacked his office in the middle of the night and stole all the documents proving her guilt.

9. When Bill was governor of Arkansas, she was a partner in the state’s top law firm, and it sometimes did work involving the state government.

10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she’s a crook.

11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she’s a crook.

12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.

13. The personnel murdered at Benghazi make her the first secretary of state to lose overseas personnel to terrorism — apart from Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, George Schultz, Dean Rusk and some others.

14. Four State Department staff were murdered at Benghazi, compared with only 119 others murdered overseas under every secretary of state combined since World War II.

15. She illegally sent classified emails from her personal server, except that apparently they weren’t classified at the time.

16. She may have cynically wriggled around the email law by “technically” complying with it.

17. She once signed a lucrative book contract when she was a private citizen.

18. Donald Trump says she “should be in jail,” and he’s a serial bankrupt casino developer in Atlantic City, so he should know.

19. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay says his “law-enforcement sources” tell him she is “about to be indicted” — and if a man once convicted of money laundering and conspiracy doesn’t have good law-enforcement sources, who does?

20. She’s a hard-left radical who wants to break up the nuclear family.

21. She’s a conservative “mousewife” who refused to break up her own family.

22. She’s in favor of single moms.

23. She refused to be a single mom.

And the rest are here at Marketwatch.

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Barnesm asserts...

Posted February 8, 2016
I heard she shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

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WarDog is gonna tell you...

Posted February 8, 2016
And she shot the sheriff

Nocturnalist mutters...

Posted February 8, 2016
And the mainstream media refuse to investigate her obviously false claim that she did not shoot the deputy.

JG reckons...

Posted February 10, 2016
Can't get that song out of my head now. Not up on US politics, but it's a pity Obama has to go. Seems like the best President the US has had in a very long time.

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GhostSwirv mutters...

Posted February 8, 2016
Hillary Clinton secretly defaces storefront mannequins wearing blue sequinned dresses.

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NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted February 8, 2016
Shot through the heart and she's to blame.

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Barnesm mumbles...

Posted February 8, 2016
I think her real name is Keyser Soze.

GhostSwirv asserts...

Posted February 8, 2016

No I am Keyser Soze ... and so is my wife!


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SZF would have you know...

Posted February 8, 2016
Hillary Clinton, like David Warner, likes Nickelback.

dweeze mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
And a worse insult was never given.
Nickleback ... eeewwww!!

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Churba puts forth...

Posted February 8, 2016
I recently found this conspiracy theory (Or would it be a group of conspiracy theories? Is there a collective noun for conspiracy theories?) that was basically just a list of all the people the Clintions, primarily Hillary, had supposedly killed. Or rather, called in hits on.

That would be unremarkable, if not for the number and breadth of people it suggested: One hundred and seven people, ranging from military generals, to bodyguards, to journalists, to John F Kennedy Jr(not kidding) to that MI6 bloke stuffed in the Duffel bag(Also not kidding).

One of them was a White house chef - Why the fuck are they bumping off white house chefs? Who knows! No explanation offered. Maybe he buggered up the confit duck, maybe he tried to knife-fight Bill on the back lawn, we'll never know.

Here's an archive of the page, so you can see for yourself.

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Sparty mutters...

Posted February 8, 2016
Well she will one day be "America's most uncompromising wartime president", so I would expect nothing less!

Birmo - what was the uncompromising thing she did in the back story of the AoT?
I always imagined Bill got himself kidnapped by terrorists and she let him die, and then nuked them.

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insomniac has opinions thus...

Posted February 8, 2016
Hilary totally framed Monica Lewinsky after Bill got seamonkeys on his little blue dress

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted February 9, 2016
I detect ridicule. Does it matter that Bill was wearing that blue dress? Every now and then, even a red blooded heterosexual man wants to feel pretty.

insomniac swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 9, 2016
The problem was much less about the proclivities of the man, and much more to do with him being a slob and not taking care of his pretty things.

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MickH ducks in to say...

Posted February 9, 2016
Wow! I didn't realise all these things were true!!Thanks JB. I won't vote for her

pitpat would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016

Yeah I'm not gonna vote for her either.

Nor that Sanders dude- smells like teen chicken

Nor that Brass guy like who'd vote for a bankrupt

Not that Cruise dude - his religion and my lack of religion just won't mix. Oil and water

Shrub mark 3 nope - I mean the re-make with Shrub Jr went nowhere good so I can't see myself wanting to sit down to 4 years of B grade acting

The Rube - well I think he says it all himself again and again.

Bugger it I don't think I will vote for any of them

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Lulu ducks in to say...

Posted February 9, 2016
She broke up The Beatles.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
She dials Directory Assistance for phone numbers she could easily look up on the Internet.

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Nocturnalist asserts...

Posted February 9, 2016
She carried out a scurrilous campaign of false accusations against the boogie, while covering up serious questions as to the culpability of the sunshine, the moonlight and the good times.

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Murphy_of_Missouri has opinions thus...

Posted February 9, 2016
Do we really want to give this stupid fuck a third term?

I always wondered how they'd get around term limits. Now we know.

I don't really care if any of it is true or not. Her contempt for the military is legendary, and I suspect, not on this list. Her two faced nature, her habit of being the most unpleasant person on the planet to deal with outside of North Korea, is fairly well known to those who pay attention. The situation in Libya, frankly, leaves me cold.
Give me another four years of Obama before we have even one more day of the fucking Hillbillies of Dumbfuck Arkansas.





Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016
Do we really want to give this stupid fuck a third term?

Don't come the raw prawn with me, mate. We both "Mericans. You know the answer to your question.

It all depends on the stupid fuck she ends up running against.

If she is the lesser of two evils, she gets my vote.

But I promise you, I won't inhale.

Murphy_of_Missouri mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
No, I'm voting for Deez Nuts if she gets the Democratic nod.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted February 9, 2016
Again, it all depends on the moron the idiots choose to run against her.

SZF has opinions thus...

Posted February 9, 2016
I find it astonishing that, given the GOP field of loons, you guys look set to vote for yet another member from one of two "aristocratic" families. That'll make 28 of the 36 years post-Reagan (assuming Hillary serves 2 terms).
Didn't you fight a war to get rid of that sort of thing...?

Murphy_of_Missouri reckons...

Posted February 9, 2016
I keep asking that same question, man.

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Dave W swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 9, 2016
She sawed the legs off the periodic table

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insomniac would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016
She ate an onion.
She proclaimed coal as good for humanity.
She knighted Prince Phillip.

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jennicki puts forth...

Posted February 9, 2016
Oh how I love you, PNB.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted February 9, 2016
That's because I am so fucking lovable.

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Shifty Tourist would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016
I hear she stands on the right hand side of the escalator.

Shifty Tourist mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
The left side is for standing... the right side is for walking. There a special cells in the Hague for people who stand on the right side.

Trevor asserts...

Posted February 23, 2016
Wow, I didn't realize that everything was different in America. In the US, we stand on the right and walk on the left. Just like we stay to the right on sidewalks, etc.

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Murphy_of_Missouri mumbles...

Posted February 9, 2016
You know, at the risk of getting fisked by a Monty Python Skit, what has Hillary Clinton actually accomplished?

I mean, can we even claim aqueducts, or wine, laws, or something?
I'll wait for John Cleese to show up and answer my question.

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Murphy_of_Missouri reckons...

Posted February 9, 2016
I'm skimming the wiki entry, you know, just in case I missed something.

But the record reads like one consistent fuck up after another. As Secretary of State? A disaster. As a carpetbagging Senator, frankly, a fairly lackluster record.

But you know, I'm fairly biased. I fucking hate the Clintons with an everlasting passion that I've never been able to muster for Barrack Obama. Can any of you point out one positive thing that idiot has done in her political career?
I'll wait.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016
Actually, considering the geopolitical mess she inherited from Bush, she was an unusually good Secretary of State. We will never be able to repair what Bush broke, but she did as much as could be done. The US is in far better geopolitical shape than I expected we would be at this point in time, and H. Clinton gets the credit for that.

Murphy_of_Missouri would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016
We are? Honestly, Boylan?

Syria? A mess made worse by this administration. Pulling out of Iraq didn't help matters.

Libya? A mess. Can't lay that one on Bush.

North Korea? Still a mess.

Iran? Granted, Kerry drove the last bits of the deal, but also a joke.
Are you saying that everyone liked us once we got a Democrat in the White House? And that Clinton was Sec of State? Is that all it took to get everyone to friend us again on the International Facebook?
I didn't think it was possible to find one worse than Albright but somehow we managed to do just that.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted February 9, 2016
Yes, we are. Honestly. And I say that very, very reluctantly.

I do not want to vote for her the same way I did not want to vote for Obama. But I may do it - just like I voted for Obama - because the GOP might provide me with an option I cannot accept.

McCain is an old man with a bad heart. He became unacceptable as a presidential candidate the moment that a vote for McCain placed Sarah Palin one heart attack away from the presidency.

Romney was just dumb. Don't tell me he wasn't. He was abysmally stupid. I once voted for a stupid man who became president (George Bush). I thought "the presidency isn't that important; how badly can Bush screw up?" Don't get me started on the global disaster that was George W. Bush. I will rant until your ears fall off and your eyes bleed. All I will say is that I will never vote for a stupid person again. I am never going to make that mistake again. Never.

There are not stupid candidates in the running for the GOP nomination. If any of them get the nomination, I will vote for them. But if it is Hillary up against Trump or Cruz, I am so sorry, but I am going to vote for Hillary.

But I will not inhale.

Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted February 9, 2016
Obama in 2012 I could handle.

A Clinton? Any Clinton? Never.
I think she could easily surpass Andrew Johnson as one of the worst presidents in history.

Murphy_of_Missouri mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
People voted for Bush precisely because Molly didn't like him.
I know I did. It is a Red State thing, to spit in Molly's eye like that.

DarrenBloomfield reckons...

Posted February 10, 2016
from fivethirtyeight:
Another sign of how painful this nomination process is likely to be for Republicans, and how Democrats’ predicament isn’t quite the same:
According to exit polls, only 48 percent of New Hampshire Republican voters would be pleased with Donald Trump as their nominee. Trump fared better on the question than Ted Cruz (38 percent) and Marco Rubio (40 percent), but nonetheless, Republicans who did not vote for Trump would have trouble with him as their nominee by almost a 3:1 margin.
By contrast, 64 percent of New Hampshire Democrats would be happy with Hillary Clinton as their nominee, while 78 would be happy with Sanders.

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robW swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 9, 2016
JB, the big spooky thing here is that you got it right in AoT. They really will name an aircraft carrier after her. Just wait and see.
Oh, and you will also get to see Murphy go into an apoplectic fit, possibly swallowing his tongue, when it does happen. It will be a red state thang. They will all be swallowing their tongues, if not talking in tongues and reciting scripture, turning purple in the face and kicking their heels, hanging themselves from the nearest yardarms or, not having any of those, oak trees.
Meanwhile the USS Hillary Clinton will be doing whup-ass in multiple time zones. She has taken two generations of assault from arch-conservatives, conspiracy theorists, and weird right wing-nuts and she keeps on tick'n. Personally I don't have a dog in the fight, but love watching the wing-nuts go after her and lose, like rat terriers going after a weasel and only getting the tail--invariably they are rewarded by getting their noses bitten off.

Murphy_of_Missouri would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016
Thirteen years too late.
Do better.

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Dave W swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 9, 2016
I heard that when she drives she never, ever, uses the indicator before making a turn.

GhostSwirv would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2016

Oh no she indicates alright ... she just doesn't go that way!

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ShaneAlpha mutters...

Posted February 9, 2016
Like I said on twitter the other week.
I'm looking forward to the Presidential race between the female android married to the disguised space alien and the insane genetically engineered carrot.
Welcome to the future Earthlings!
The real fear is that America will vote Trump just to see what happens.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted February 10, 2016
I consider myself a reasonably intelligent, prudent, informed voter. I, myself, am tempted to vote for Trump just for the hell of it.

This is a sure sign that something really terrible has and is happening in our body politic.

Shifty Tourist asserts...

Posted February 10, 2016
Its essentially the equivalent of placing a big red button in the middle of Martin Place, with big sign on it that says "Warning! Doomsday device. Do not press button".
I'd give it to lunch before we'd be destroyed.
The same principle applies to Trump.

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Sudragon is gonna tell you...

Posted February 9, 2016
It's Kang vs. Kodos.

Again.

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DarrenBloomfield mutters...

Posted February 10, 2016
She's still the best Secretary of the Navy the (alternate history) US has ever had.

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BigWillieStyle reckons...

Posted February 10, 2016

@ Murph & Boylan

Cheer up, fellas! I, for one, thoroughly enjoy observing the procession of psychopaths, zealots, narcissists and bigots that your country puts forth as Presidential candidates every four years. And this time, I get the impression that, regardless of who takes over the lease at the White House, there will be a new spirit of rampant bi-partisanship and affection in Congress. You mark my words.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 10, 2016
Thank you for that. I feel right as rain now. The glass isn't 7/8ths empty: it is 1/8th full!

Okay, maybe 1/16th. But that is beside the point. The point is that there are reasons to cheer up.

BigWillieStyle ducks in to say...

Posted February 10, 2016
I think Our Tony Abbott is still waddling his way around the US at the moment, as his search for meaning and validity continues. Has Congress ever considered appointing an official House Jester? With his predilection for eating raw onions, uncanny ability to say dumbfuck stuff at precisely the right time, reptilian façade, and penchant for getting around in fluorescent lycra, Cap'n Stupid would fit the bill nicely. See if he can get a start at one of those GOP Comedy Debates.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted February 10, 2016
Has Congress ever considered appointing an official House Jester?

Yes. I applied for the position, but was rejected. The leader of our
Orange-Americans, John Boehner (pronounced "Boner") was chosen instead
of me. Big mistake. He has the comic timing of a fucking toad. He was
chosen because he is orange. Being orange isn't funny. And crying on
demand gets real old real fast.

Now Paul Ryan has the job. I am optimistic he will be really, really funny.

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Why the Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire Primary matters

Posted February 3, 2016 into Politics by John Birmingham

From PNB, in the thread below. Worth extracting:

They matter because they are the first states where real people have to make an actual decision, and because of something elusive and possibly illusory that is coveted by the political class called "momentum" - aka "the Band Wagon Effect."

The people in Iowa who find Ted Cruz appealing are fundamentalist pseudo christian neo fascist under educated corn farmers who want nothing more than to replace American civil law with Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Ted Cruz pretends to be an fundamentalist pseudo christian neo fascist who wants to replace American civil law with Leviticus and Deuteronomy. And he pretends to admire corn farmers.

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BigWillieStyle swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 3, 2016

Ta Paul. So, essentially, Ted winning the Iowa caucus does not automatically result in him getting Iowa's vote at the National Convention. More of an opportunity for him to gain momentum, raise more money, and possibly call for the firebombing of a couple of abortion clinics.

Don't know a great deal about Iowa, other than it's where Bill Bryson comes from, and he seems fairly normal. Mind you, it's also where Kevin Costner heard voices emanating from his cornfields, so he decided to raze his crops to the ground and build a baseball field instead. Maybe that gives an insight into the mind of your average Midwest farmer. Ted's ascension makes a lot of sense now.

What is it about conservative parties elevating prehistoric, fundamentalist, zealot nutbags? We gave one of them Australia's top job a couple of years ago, and the country's been wandering around in a daze ever since.


Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted February 3, 2016
No, it does mean he gets Iowa's delegates.

The Republican and Democrat national conventions are something of an illusion. For the most part the delegates are not free to vote as they wish: their votes are set by the state and regional primaries. This started in the 1970's with the intent that it allow for more democracy. Before that the candidates were selected at the convention through an amazingly beautiful and complex system of deal making.

In Iowa, the popular vote totals are interesting, but not really important. Delegates to the National Conventions are awarded based on who wins at each of the many caucuses and the number is different for Republicans and Democrats.

For example, at this last Iowa caucus extravaganza the Democrats awarded delegates as follows:

Candidate Percent Delegates
Hillary Clinton 49.9% 22
Bernie Sanders 49.6% 21
Martin O'Malley 0.5% 0

The Republicans did it this way:

Candidate Percent Votes Delegates
Ted Cruz 27.7% 51,649 8
Donald Trump 24.3% 45,416 7
Marco Rubio 23.1% 43,132 7
Ben Carson 9.3% 17,393 3
Rand Paul 4.5% 8,478 1
Jeb Bush 2.8% 5,235 1
Carly Fiorina 1.9% 3,483 0
John Kasich 1.9% 3,473 0
Mike Huckabee 1.8% 3,344 0
Chris Christie 1.8% 3,278 0
Rick Santorum 1.0% 1,783 0
Other 0.1% 119 0
Jim Gilmore 0.0% 12 0

So you see that Donald Trump only has one less delegate to the national convention dedicated to him than Ted Cruz has dedicated for him. And Bernie Sanders is only one delegate less than Hillary Clinton.

This is why Ted Cruz bolted for New Hampsire to campaign. The current opinion polls have Trump a comfortable 20 points ahead of Cruz in New Hampshire. And Bernie Sanders is comfortably ahead of Hillary Clinton there.

The both parties award delegates pro rata based on percentage of vote.

It is widely said that "Iowa picks corn; New Hampshire picks presidents (people in New Hampshire say that all the time). Right now it is a horse race. The smart money is betting on Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders moving sharply ahead in total delegate count.

The New Hampshire primary will take place on February 9th.

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Madoc is gonna tell you...

Posted February 3, 2016
Always nice to see how folks outside the US completely buy into whatever hysteria our media is spewing about things here in America.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted February 3, 2016
Are you saying that Americans here at home don't buy into it, too?

Other than you and me, of course.

Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted February 3, 2016
Anyone actually bother to get the opinion of someone who is living in the Midwest?
Oh yeah, I forgot. The Midwest equals Dumbfuckistan in some corners of the world.
Nevermind.

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DarrenBloomfield puts forth...

Posted February 3, 2016
I thought the blogging at 538 offered insightful analysis. They're jumping to the end (or the beginning of the end) - they see the GOP nomination as palying out like pretty much all that have gone before it - Cruz v Rubio, with Rubio winning. Because all GOP nominations end up being between a maverick (Cruz) and an establishment candidate. With the establishment (Rubio) usually winning the nomination.
And this, verbatim.
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jennicki ducks in to say...

Posted February 3, 2016
Onya, PNB!!!

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NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 3, 2016
1 - Please explain 'Super Delegates' and their relationship with the "establishment" of both parties.
2- I read that Cruz was *relatively* unpopular in Iowa, due to his scepticism RE: mandatory ethanol content in Gazoline. Is he likely to gallop away with the nomination now he's out of the Corn Belt?
3- if he doesn't get the nomination, is Trump's threat of an independent campaign real? Would it split the Republican vote sufficiently to get the Democrats the presidency?4- What's the non-partisan* grass-roots feeling RE: house & senate? Any chance of an actual budget passing, this decade?
All we seem to get here are the opinions of partisan hacks expressing farcical levels of confidence.

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Murphy_of_Missouri mutters...

Posted February 3, 2016
Frankly, not a single one of the candidates appeals to me.
I'm not going to waste the pixels on Hillary as I know anything I say will simply be akin to pouring water on a rock in some corners. Bernie seems like a nice guy to have a beer with, take a college class or two from, a total idealist.
In my professional opinion, there is nothing more dangerous in the White House than an idealist. We don't need anymore of those and especially not an older, further to the left version of Jimmy Carter.
As for what is offered by the Republicans . . . I find it hard to see fault with PNB's characterization of the current batch. The saner ones, not that any of them are truly sane, are polling down in the toilet while the worst of the batch is at the top of the polls.
If I had to guess as to the cause?
Well, I'd say it is down to a complete loss of trust in the concept that the Federal Government can be an agency for good. I can think of others but again to air them would simply be akin to pouring more water on so many rocks.

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Invested Ivana swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 9, 2016
Whoa. Paul. As an Iowan, I feel I should take some offense on principle. Neo-fascist might be a bit strong. And I personally have never been closer to a cornfield than the width of the highway shoulder. Everything else, I'll give ya. For Iowan REPUBLICANS, anyway. :)
Seriously, the majority of Iowa's population isn't rural (I hate farms); we're just like any other state with most people living in cities. Our cities just arent as crowded as yours. We have our share of dumbasses, just like everyone (those who caucused for Cruz, for example). But we also have our share of fairly enlightened people. Our Judicial history shows a tendency to be early supporters of civil rights, for example. And we usually lead the nation in the quality of our education.
But we do have a history of being conservatives. I imagine it stems from generations of small community, ethnically homogenous, family-centric upbringings. Generations of farmers, blue collar workers, and small business owners constantly living on the edge of financial ruin. Families too poor and ignorant to travel to places that would broaden their view of the world. Value systems, like religion, are handed down through the generations. It takes very introspective and thoughtful people to challenge and change those beliefs.
And when those people DO realize that Iowa is too conservative for them, a good chunk of them leave. Not enough stay here to tip the scales.
It's easy to make fun of Iowa and the Midwest because of the stereotype, and few people come here as tourists to see for themselves, but we're no different than you, good and bad. The cool thing about our caucus this year was a record turn-out for both parties, which gives me hope that the younger generation won't be as cynical or as ignorant as mine.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted February 9, 2016
Ivana, I know many fine, intelligent, politically progressive Iowans (no kidding). I was asked which Iowans supported Ted Cruz in the caucuses. I stand by my analysis.

Invested Ivana puts forth...

Posted February 11, 2016
Oh, well then. I can't really argue with that analysis. :)

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