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Hard drinkin' thinkin'

Posted August 7, 2013 into Politics by John Birmingham

I signed up for a fun gig with Fairfax for the duration of the election, doing one of these videos a week.

The first was a challenge, as such things always are, while I figured, or didnt figure out, how to do it all with just my iPhone. There were some real problems with flares as the sun came out from behind fast moving clouds, and then disappeared, and then came out and so on. But it turns out there's an app for that, of course.

And I'm thinking of looking a clip on mic and or maybe a little directional unit if the Apple Store in Sydney should have such a thing.

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Blarkon reckons...

Posted August 7, 2013

That's certainly the *shiniest* leather jacket I've ever seen. I've always thought that leather jackets should look a little worn rather than ... polished. Then again, given that I know less about fashion than I do feminist critiques of marxist ideology, I bow to your superior sartorial sensibilities.

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BigWillieStyle would have you know...

Posted August 7, 2013

Sorry John, I spent the first half of the video squinting at that bottle of beer on the right of screen, trying to work out whether it's apple-infused or pear-infused, and the second half nodding off.

Some suggestions for future vids;

1. Do it fireside chat-style...a dressing gown or smoking jacket, a comfy deep-seated chair, a tumbler of malt whiskey, and a pipe

2. Have a weekly Peter Dowling Award. Any candidate who sends an ill-thought-out text/sext, has a meltdown (like David Bradbury), or shows a complete inability to speak beyond Party-endorsed five-word slogans (Jaymes Diaz, come on down) wins a fabulous trophy of a bronzed penis in a glass of red wine

Lulu swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 7, 2013

+10 to both suggestions.

Lobes has opinions thus...

Posted August 7, 2013

Thats not beer, thats Rekordelig, a Swedish cider. Looks like the berry infused version. Not a bad drink and quite trendy at the moment. But if you like that JB you must try Kopparberg, Swdish pear cider. Its like drinking Angels piss.

Also what odds where the bookies giving for a hung parliament?

BigWillieStyle would have you know...

Posted August 7, 2013

Swedish cider.

* pauses *

I see.

Not something I know a great deal about. Thank you Lobes.

Lobes mutters...

Posted August 7, 2013

yeah tastes great and is mega popular everywher right now.

as a bonus its gluten free so good for low carb diets

damian reckons...

Posted August 7, 2013

I dunno, I find most Rekordelig variants pretty undrinkably sweet. I seem to recall a couple are okay. They must have been pretty damn okay, because I don't remember...

Lobes would have you know...

Posted August 7, 2013

Yeah rekorderlig is a bit meh. I usually drink magners or kopparberg. Both are seriously good.

John Birmingham reckons...

Posted August 7, 2013

I can't even remember how or why it came into my possession.

she_jedi mumbles...

Posted August 8, 2013

That was the strawberry and lime cider by Rekorderlig. They do a winter cider of apple, cinnamon and vanilla which is divine. They've just brought out a passionfruit cider which is a tiny bit tart and not so sweet as some of their berry ones.

Not that I drink these giant girly drinks on a regular basis or anything.

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Rhino would have you know...

Posted August 7, 2013

Was that off the cuff or scripted? Did you win the bet on the fight way back? And, more importantly, if you did win, what did you buy?

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted August 7, 2013

Cuffed, but from dot points. I won. I bought beer and meat.

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Blarkon would have you know...

Posted August 7, 2013

http://www.theage.com.au/business/something-off-about-election-bets-20130807-2remi.html (suggesting that the odds are bogus because the bookies aren't actually taking real bets)

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dewpoint asserts...

Posted August 7, 2013

Well I'll be..... Channel Blunty....Awesome

loved the booze'nbooks backdrop, you will need to stock up on the whiskey, Blunty must have Whiskey, lots, especially the single malt stuff and please bring the Campari to the fore, that bold silky crimson number would neve

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dewpoint swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 7, 2013

Oops anyway Campari never hides behind tainted green bottles.

and you did look good on camera, the leather was perhaps a tiny bit shiny but no, not polished no no noooo

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John Birmingham reckons...

Posted August 7, 2013

I haz scuffier leather. But that is my grown up jacket.

damian ducks in to say...

Posted August 7, 2013

Shirley you mean growned up. Or even groaned up.

HAVOCK21 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 7, 2013

JB/Grown up Jacket......= OXY M anybody?

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted August 7, 2013

I thought that was totally cool. And the set was first rate.

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HAVOCK21 asserts...

Posted August 7, 2013

CIDER!...hand back that fkn jacket!

BigWillieStyle asserts...

Posted August 8, 2013

And his testicles.

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Dino not to be confused with puts forth...

Posted August 7, 2013

Fascinating JB,

The Decor is to die for.

Why do I feel a sense of 'Stuart Wagstaff' casual authority blended with keen commentary.

How much would you charge to wear a cravat and hold a cigarette holder?

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JG has opinions thus...

Posted August 7, 2013

Nice one, JB. You're a bit like Clive James, only younger.

I've seen that jacket before. You wear black leather jackets a lot.

JG

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w from brisbane mutters...

Posted August 8, 2013

"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right." --H. L. Mencken (1880-1956)

I loved the bottle of Bundy. I can't wait until next week. I'm going to be checking the level in that bottle to check how many rumbos you've had.

It was a good chat. Gambling, boxing. It was a Runyonesque. I love that stuff.

"The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet." Damon Runyon (1880-1946)

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Darth Greybeard puts forth...

Posted August 8, 2013

Forget the booze, I liked the Ned Stark figure. Think Geek?

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted August 8, 2013

The Beard wins for being the first to spot ol Ned.

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GhostSwirv would have you know...

Posted August 10, 2013

JB I think Mike Secombe has been talking to your bookie mates, and there's only one word to describe your black leather jacket, 'shiny'.

http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/why-the-prime-minister-is-asking-for-your-lunch-money/672/

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The PLA navy's blue water plans

Posted August 1, 2013 into Politics by John Birmingham

Raoul Heinrichs, once upon a time a believer in the fairytale that China was investing billions in a modern war fighting fleet for status reasons, has had a rethink.

Where Canberra has gambled on the more-or-less permanent military superiority of our American ally, Beijing has, with its incipient fleet, placed a sizeable wager on the exact opposite outcome. Both can't be right.

The whole piece is available here, and worth a look for those interested in such things.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted August 1, 2013

Good stuff.

"Finally, China is making another bet: that the smaller countries in the region, including Australia, will neither independently acquire the A2AD capabilities necessary to offset the threat posed by the Chinese fleet before it becomes operational, nor form a sufficiently cohesive group that could aggregate its military resources to do so."

China may also be betting against a resurgent USA.

The first global power to control the seas isn't going to give up any of that control easily.

Australia - with no national interest in alienating either the US or the Chinese - doesn't seem relevant to this part of the Great Game.

Dave W reckons...

Posted August 1, 2013
As much as it kills me to say it, Aus can't really stop a bunch of illiterate indo fishermen from venturing into our territorial waters. So I agree with PNB, is this a game that we can play in or afford to play in?

w from brisbane mumbles...

Posted August 1, 2013

Which is why, as a start, 2500 U.S. marines will be based in Darwin by 2017, supported by U.S. fighter jets.

Blarkon would have you know...

Posted August 1, 2013

Nah, that's just so they can fly drones around the NT and launch hellfires at people in Toyotas.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted August 2, 2013

NT is a hotbed for terrorists, and terrorists seem to prefer Toyotas.

w from brisbane asserts...

Posted August 2, 2013

Toyota Prius is an anagram of 'You Patriots', which I find highly suspicious.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted August 2, 2013

Only terrorist would notice that. Sort of like a secret Mason handshake.

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HAVOCK21 has opinions thus...

Posted August 1, 2013

Well FK ME! HEY!. this muppet JUST fkn worked out what a fkn lot of us have realised for fkn years. THEY AINT DOING IT FOR FUCKING SHOW! thats for fkn sure. And let me gues...this fkn retard advises people right!.....take him out back and shoot the fkn muppet. Its dicks like this that make people get fkn shot for no good fkn reason because they think DIPLOMACY is the fkn be all and end all and NOBAY has ambitions especially the fkn BASTARD FKN CHINSES MILITARY FKRS!

We Need NUKE subs. SSN's, its a safe and very simple and effective additional layer!

wqe need a NUKE aircraft carrier too and land based strategic fkn bombers as well and then FK THE fkn MUPPETS UP!..if they get frisky!

Brother PorkChop has opinions thus...

Posted August 2, 2013

Now Mr Havock, my real name is Geng Huichang. Look it up imperialist running dog and yankee bitch lackey. When the peoples revolution begins in PR Australia, you are first up against the wall. You and all your so called Mmmmmmmmuppets.

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Blarkon puts forth...

Posted August 1, 2013

Need to deploy Havock in Floaties to the Taiwan straight. The yellow ones from Clarke Rubber. Not that Big W shit.

HAVOCK21 would have you know...

Posted August 1, 2013

Be like. FKN OLYMPUS HAS FKN FALLEN, sept osts guna be the JADE FKN PALACE FKN PUSSIES!

Jayanthi's Atomic Cat ducks in to say...

Posted August 3, 2013
I like that. A one-word Defence system. Havock. Not-so-silent and deadly. Would drive the Intel analysts nuts trying to work out what the 'acronym' is.

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yankeedog asserts...

Posted August 1, 2013

But does Australia have the manpower and resources to staff a big navy to counter? You've, what, 25 million people down there?

Moko swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 2, 2013

We have lots of radio controlled subs with rubber noses. We drive them into the side of the enemy supercarriers to make this incessant bloody 'tap tap tap' noise. It drives them mad. Especially at around the six month mark they tend to give up and go home for sleep. Very clever, actually.

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Murphy mutters...

Posted August 2, 2013

Umm. . . why would China go to war with Australia?

To invade and take your resources? Can't they just buy them now? Isn't their money what you are using to build those two LHDs and your new AWDs, the Hobart Class? Aren't you going to use that money to buy F-35s as well?

Personally, if you are going to spend money on F-35s, I'd be getting the F-35B model, especially if you are converting a bit of the Australian Army to act as your de facto USMC type formation.

Also, China isn't the only one in the midst of a naval arms build up.

The South Korean Navy has a fairly well developed blue water capability which is augmented by two Dokdo Class helicopter carriers which are capable of operating F-35Bs themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dokdo-class_amphibious_assault_ship

The Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force has the largest Navy of the region and is also developing the capability to sustain combat operations other than defense in a blue water sense. They have fielded their own helicopter destroyers (really helicopter carriers), also capable of operating F-35Bs and a larger follow on design is in the works along with a movement in the government to remove most post-World War II Pacifist restrictions on the military.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%ABga-class_helicopter_destroyer

Finally, while there are dire predictions about sequestration leading to the mothballing of up to three Nimitz Class Carriers, one has to wonder if that will lead to a net loss in capability with the advent of carrier capable UCAVs which could be deployed in larger numbers aboard newer advanced carriers such as the U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford, the first of the Ford Class, with electromagnetic catapults as opposed to steam or FAE style cats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_class_carrier

The U.S. still holds the lead in drone development, force projection and naval experience. China, on the other hand, has to build up to that capability while dealing with other wary neighbors who are also upgunning their Navies to compensate.

Still, if Australia really wants a true carrier of their own, they could always talk to the Brits about HMS Prince of Wales.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches




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Indy mumbles...

Posted August 2, 2013

Agree with Murph re F-35Bs embarked in the LHDs.

Article well spotted and posted, JB. Ta muchly. The closing phrase "....for those interested in such things" says many things, and all of them salient, all of them right, alas.

Ho hum.

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NBlob has opinions thus...

Posted August 2, 2013

"lacking a launch-catapult that would extend the range and payload of its aircraft?"

Please explain?

Monkeymind ducks in to say...

Posted August 2, 2013

A launch catapult is an assisted take off system. Rather than relying on just the power of the planes engines, the plane is pulled along the deck. This alows the plane to take off with much larger fuel and weapon loads than if it was relying only on its engine thrust.

See:

Aircraft_catapult

Murphy mumbles...

Posted August 2, 2013

That can be somewhat compensated for by inflight refueling as I understand it.

Still, cats are better overall.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

NBlob would have you know...

Posted August 2, 2013

Thankyou MM, I understand that. I was wondering why the Chinese Aircraft Carrier's catapault was out of action?

@ Murph.

Inflight refuelling of aircraft has increased effective range (Of aircraft configured for IFR) to approaching global, but, consider the whys: "Kinetic" warmaking, can now be done very accurately by cruise missile & with extreme patience by UAV drone.

By my understanding the limits are payload size (MOAB needs a B52) & a pilots "reactivity" in devloping situations Eg; targets of opportunity, IFF etc, in which UAV systems are now almost as goood as a traditional manned CAP.

In intel gathering, there is little that a manned aircraft can do faster, better, cheaper or more than UAV &/or Satelite.

In Vietnam there was a squadron of tiny single man light aircraft that served as target scouts for arty & fast movers off carriers. Fox Bat, fruit bat? something like that. Their particular speciality was tree tops @ 80 knots, eyeballing targets and calling adjustments to fire missions. I wonder how long it will be before arty crews have their own UAVs performing a similar role.

NBlob puts forth...

Posted August 2, 2013

& what the very fack is the photo? The new tender for HV Cad ?

w from brisbane mutters...

Posted August 2, 2013

That would be a Houbei class Missile Boat firing a YJ-83 SSM.

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Surtac has opinions thus...

Posted August 2, 2013

Thanks for the link, John. I've just 'wasted' an hour of work time following up interesting stuff based on that article. :)

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Chaz mumbles...

Posted August 2, 2013

The PLA is rigidly controled by the CCP and their facist ideology.

as the yanks have found out hvaing shiny new toys and actually being able to utilise them in an effective manner are two diffrent things.

Yes the PRC is a threat but at this moment in time it is not a direct threat. Give a few more years of environmental damage, declining native food production & and increasingly modernised militaries in the hands of its neighbours, plus the demands of of an increasing selfish middle class and rumbling peasant class then you'll find that the PRC is ready to go to war.

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Moko is gonna tell you...

Posted August 2, 2013

Or we could all take a viagra and stand nude on the coast line covered in blue body paint singing a selection of wiggles tunes when they turn up. That should scare em off.

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Murphy asserts...

Posted August 7, 2013

In another development, Japan launched their largest post World War II warship to date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-class_helicopter_destroyer

That gives them three helicopter carriers, ahem, destroyers. It would not be that difficult I suspect to modify them for V-22 or F-35B operations should the need arise.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

w from brisbane puts forth...

Posted August 7, 2013

Murph. Did you notice that, amongst other tunes, the band played 'Anchors aweigh' at the launch?

It reckon some Chinese might find that an interesting choice.

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HAVOCK21 reckons...

Posted August 7, 2013
I'd much rather be shooting PLAN Marines in their tin cans on the water than when they get ashore. Mind you, projecting power away from home and being able to force your way ashore are two very diffeernt capabilities. One they do not have. Area denial...yes, amphib...against a weaker fkn NON SHOOTING BACK type target..yes.


Other than that. the PLAN is still a limited area denial BROWN fkn water NAVY at BEST. And if some fkn starts on about Space based or CARRIER KILLIN fkn MISSILES DONg fkn feng swai fkn shit ballistic units, that AINT FKNM BEEN TEST I'll PERSONALLLLLLLLLLLLY CAP THEIR FKN SKANY CARCASSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Look, lots of refugees read The Australian

Posted July 22, 2013 into Politics by John Birmingham

Dateline, Indonesia.

There was consternation this morning amongst refugees drifting into the many water front cafes dotting the shoreline of this idyllic refuge when bad news arrived with their latte and croissants.

“Have you seen The Australian this morning?" asked one voice over the rattle of bone china and the sizzle of eggs and bacon.

“Never touch it,” another replied in a distinctive Kurdish accent. “I’m Fairfax man. My father was a Fairfax reader, and his father before him. Until they had their daily dose of Gittins and Ramsay they simply could not set off into the foothills to herd the goats though mountain passes above our little village where it always rained and nobody ever had enough to eat.”

But no matter where these starving, illiterate refugees chose to read their news over banana and blueberry pancakes, washed down with lashings of genuine French vanilla tea, the news was bad.

All of the weekend papers, express couriered to the charming little refugee settlement, carried large, full page advertisements warning the would-be asylum seekers that if the vast sums of money they had saved while being tortured and occasionally beheaded by the Taliban, or the Iranian government, or you know, whatevs, were spent on passage by boat, they would be sent to Papua New Guinea and probably eaten.

“Oh dear,” said a Tamil gentleman whose village had been destroyed by Sri Lankan air strikes. “I had so been looking forward to that long, hazardous voyage and high chance of drowning or being dashed to pieces on the rocks of Christmas Island. It’s why I chose to go by boat and not just fly in which would have been much more comfortable now I think about it.”

He folded his copy of The Sydney Morning Herald and wandered off to see if anyone knew of rumours the Australian Government was also no longer handing out cheques for eighty thousand dollars on arrival and a guarantee of full time employment as soon as a local worker could be displaced from their job.

There were mutterings amongst the émigrés about the reaction to the news in Australia, but wiser counsel cautioned against expecting any support from that quarter.

“The government has obviously spent a very great deal of money advertising this new regime in every paper in the land,” said a withered old Hazari man whose eyes had been put out for reading to his daughters, “and then even more money airlifting all the millions of copies here so that we might be informed of this policy change. It’s quite likely nobody in Australia even knows of it this. After all, the information is of no concern to them.”

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Barnesm mutters...

Posted July 22, 2013

Look it's not to deter those refugees (sorry illegal immigrants) it’s obviously meant for those who fly in on visas and then overstay. All those European and New Zealand backpackers will be rounded up and shipped off to PNG.

Lulu mumbles...

Posted July 22, 2013

No no, you've got it wrong - the problem isn't with people who come by plane but with the *boat* arrivals. So obviously all those wealthy people on cruise ships will be sent to PNG.

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Barnesm mumbles...

Posted July 22, 2013

I wish I could argue we, as Australians, are better than this PNB.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted July 22, 2013

It comforts me not at all that you cannot.

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beeso swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 22, 2013

I'd vote for a PM that sent press gangs down bondi beach, checking visas and sending them off to PNG

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted July 22, 2013

How bad can PNG be? I mean, come on. Really. Tropical climate. Low cost of living. Colorful cargo cults. Although it has the highest incidence of HIV and AIDS in the Pacific region, cannibalism is rapidly improving. Not a bad place to end up.

pi mumbles...

Posted July 22, 2013

I've lived in PNG. It is only place in the world I will never set foot in again.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted July 23, 2013

Have you ever been to Billings, Montana?

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insomniac reckons...

Posted July 22, 2013

Oh you'll all want to go to PNG, not just us Aussie-job stealin' and Aussie-women defilin' Kiwis, if the Coalition win the election

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Brian asserts...

Posted July 22, 2013

It's ugly, no doubt about it. What's going to be uglier are the right wing nuts saying 'Its not going to work, and we need a better plan'. Not that they'd be saying that to win votes in an upcoming election . . . .of course not. Nor have a bipartisan plan either.

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Murphy asserts...

Posted July 22, 2013

You could tweak this a bit replacing Kurds with Mexicans and setting the locale just south of the Rio Grande, below the Grand Wall of Democracy (translate: fiasco) some of the nuttier, nativist types of my country like to take pride in.

Hell, everyone is an immigrant/migrant/boat/tunnel person at some point or another in Australia and the Americas.

Sad, really. Like Latinos are really taking jobs away from meth cooking, honest, tatted white guys in Harry Truman's old stomping grounds.

Bah.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted July 23, 2013

George Lopez observed that, if a Mexican took your job, then you had a really shitty job to begin with.

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Blarkon has opinions thus...

Posted July 22, 2013

While it appears most Australians support a refugee program, a plurality seem not to support intake of asylum seekers (otherwise the issue wouldn't be as electorally potent). If the electorate, government, and opposition was as racist as some would claim, surely they'd move to withdraw the country from the appropriate UN conventions (because if the electorate, government, and opposition were all that racist, who would care if Australia was a party to those conventions or not?).

w from brisbane has opinions thus...

Posted July 22, 2013

There is an annual study done by one of the universities. I haven't been able to track down the link.
Covers a variety of social and political issues in Australia.

As I recall, the results have been fairly consistent. Something like 70% of Australians support Australia having a large refugee intake.
When asked about what countries the program should favour, the overwhelming response is none, and that it is rather a silly question.
But very consistently, across the supporters of all political parties, about 70% are not supportive of a 'boat people' asylum seekers intake

Miss Maudy puts forth...

Posted July 22, 2013

Is this the report you are looking for?

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted July 22, 2013

Brilliant, Miss Maudy! That is exactly the study I was looking for.
Though it was the 2012 version I heard about, accessible from this page.

http://arts.monash.edu/mapping-population/

The stuff I was trying to recall is also on this related Asylum seeker fact sheet, below.

75% are positive to asylum seekers who arrive after being assessed overseas.
But, to the question of the best policy for dealing with asylum seekers arriving by boat, only 23% said they should be allowed to apply for permanent residency.

The Fact Sheet
http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/mapping-population/asylum-seekers.php

Blarkon puts forth...

Posted July 22, 2013

I think the notion of "consent" (however ephemeral) has a lot to do with acceptance of immigration policy.

For example: A refugee who arrives in Australia from a camp in Sudan or from somewhere else has in some way "been invited".

I suspect that the 70% that agree with the policy of accepting refugees see accepting as part of an ethical obligation. Where we see 70% opposed to asylum seekers arriving by boat (where we assume that 40% who feel ethically obligated to take in refugees reject the acceptance of asylum seekers) may in part be a reflection of the "uninvited" nature of asylum seekers.

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Therbs ducks in to say...

Posted July 22, 2013

Loved the Queensland Govt MP who became all alarmist about the asylum seekers then getting on boats from PNG to cross the Torres Strait. Tony Burke apologised that there was nothing he could do about the geography of PNG.

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JBtoo has opinions thus...

Posted July 22, 2013

And listen to Triple M too (it's on at the office - nothing I can do - except maybe complain on human rights grounds. It qualifies as torture).

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Anthony has opinions thus...

Posted July 22, 2013

On the positive side, PNG is going to get some pretty good skilled immigrants out of this.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 23, 2013

Yes! Always look at the bright side of life!!

(All joking aside, that is a fairly good point with potentially important geopolitical implications, albeit a generation or two from now.)

Anthony is gonna tell you...

Posted July 23, 2013

I was aso only partly joking. I have a close friend who spent a considerable time in PNG in a very senior position on secondment from Canberra. It will be interesting to hear his views on this subject.

JBtoo asserts...

Posted July 23, 2013

And they'll soon be a world power in cricket

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Dino not to be confused with mutters...

Posted July 22, 2013

Beautiful JB,

Remember the Eighties.

The Silver Budgie (Oxford drinkin' champion who promised no child will live in poverty in dis country) workin' with the French clock collector (who only wore Italian suits cause the Aussie ones were shit)?

Pushed dem Liberals so far to the Right they could only get half a bum cheek on the seat?

Yeah the Labor tactic of being so right wing the Liberals look so wet der nipples are showing.

Onya Labor.(Waves Flag)

Dats da solution.

Dats why Aussies died in Afghanistan.

Send de reffos to PNG.

Nice Australian mines dey can work in der.

Ok Tedi?

Or is dat OK Teddy?

Take the bloody teddy bears cause dey could have WMD from Iraq in dem.

Remember WMD's.

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AllyOops mutters...

Posted July 22, 2013

Mmm just a thought but perhaps if the 70percent of us wjho support a large refugee intake could well swing a little more come election time .......

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ShaneAlpha is gonna tell you...

Posted July 22, 2013

We need a nice welcoming gate at the new camp with a inspiring slogan.

Perhaps Arbeit Macht Frei.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted July 23, 2013

"Es Könnte Immer Schlimmer Sein" would be more approriate.

Lulu ducks in to say...

Posted July 23, 2013

"Aber nichts viel schlimmer".

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted July 23, 2013

Kennen sie Billings, Montana?

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Stevo 73 reckons...

Posted July 22, 2013

Hmmmm so sad. The Labor party has surpassed the Libs for crazy ideas about boaties......

There is an argument that if we have dropped large amounts of ordinance on a country, and following this the people of that country run (or float) to our home we are morally obliged to take them in.

And then there is the second verse of that anthem thingy (the verse that most Strayuns do not know)

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We'll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share;

Oops, perhaps it is time to change those two lines, oh the embarrassment!

pi swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 23, 2013

> Hmmmm so sad. The Labor party has surpassed the Libs for crazy ideas about boaties......

No they haven't.

Stevo 73 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 23, 2013

You think?

Let's put them all in another developing country with its own set of social problems and a distinct lack of infrastructure,.... yeah that will work.

Vs lets tug the sinking boats back to point of origin.... yeah that will work.

So which is more nuts? I cannot tell.

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Lobes ducks in to say...

Posted July 22, 2013

Everything about this is farcical.

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NBlob mutters...

Posted July 22, 2013

A Straw Man, never intended to survive the coming High Court challenges, just the coming election. The only positive that will come out of it is the fine people of Manis Island will get about 1/8ths of a new facility at the expense of the Aussie taxpayer.

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pi mutters...

Posted July 23, 2013

This is the price that must be paid to keep abbott (stop the boats!) out of the lodge. Sadly, there are too many bogans in australia such that the dog-whistling delivers us these types of policies.

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damian ducks in to say...

Posted July 23, 2013

I have wondered a bit at the calculation behind this. KRudd and his advisors would have come up with this knowing that it would outrage a lot of people. But the people it outrages, if they had been planning to vote Labor before, will most likely now give their first preference to the Greens or some other minor party or independent to the left of Labor. These people are unlikely to give their second preferences to the Libs, Nats or LNP (whether they follow party advice or not). So they do not count as a complete loss - even if it leads to a minority government the 3rd largest block in parliament is still likely to be be Greens and they are unlikely to support an Abbott minority government, although they will be almost as reluctant to support a Rudd one after this and will be difficult to get on side for legislation that runs counter to their principles.

However Rudd appears to be counting on winning a fair bit of support to the right with this move. So people who might vote for the Katter or Palmer parties might give their second preferences to Labor. And if a handful of seats go to those parties, they may well be prevailed upon to vote with a minority Labor government on legislation that the Greens disagree with.

In other words, while he knows that on balance this doesn't necessarily gain votes for Labor, it certainly takes votes from the tories. It might win him the election solidly enough for Labor to govern in its own right, but if it leads to a minority government it will make the kingmakers people who would rather gnaw out their own livers without anasthetic than to give Tony Abbott the keys to the Lodge.

I fear my interpretation here, although cynical, isn't quite cynical enough to be realistic. Any improvements?

pitpat ducks in to say...

Posted July 23, 2013

I agree Damian, and would add that it is all about the western Sydney seats. Even if he loses it will hard to oust him now that caucus has commited to a super majority for a spill motion. For all the words this is all about Kevin

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted July 23, 2013

Damian: idealism tempered with cynicism is a powerful thing. There is no strength inherent in the truth. None whatsoever. Conviction isn't enough to challenge those who enrich themselves through human suffereing.

Barnesm reckons...

Posted July 23, 2013

The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity - W.B Yeast

damian is gonna tell you...

Posted July 23, 2013

Wouldn't W.B.Yeast be more suited to the baking thread?

The interesting thing about 'The Second Coming' is that it is sort of in the middle between early Yeats and the older Yeats. The points to remember about the early Yeats are:

  • Obsession with Maude Gonne
  • Mystical celtic stuff
  • Theosophy
  • Obsession with Maude Gonne's daughter.
  • Association but lack of involvement with the more volatile kind of Irish Nationalism

It was the latter point and the first world war that led to 'The Second Coming'. Older Yeats got a bit more measured. We seem to tend to think of the rise of Nazism and that line in particular referring to it, but in all honesty it first appeared in print way too early to have that in mind much, and it is much more a sort of continuation of the despair and horror at the actions of the truly committed leading on from the Easter uprising and taking all the rest in. The worst, who are full of passionate intensity, are the Kiplings, the (more personally painful and poignant) the MacBrides.

The collection 'Meditations in time of Civil War' from about 10 years later is pretty good reading for a pensive evening. 'Leda and the Swan' is later too. The downside the later Yeats is that it lacks the fire and fervour of the early Yeats, but that is also the upside.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted July 24, 2013

Either bringing up a somewhat detailed discussion of Yeats at this moment and in the context of this discussion is hillarious or there is something amiss, mate.

I prefer hillarious for obvious reasons.

However...

My personal favorite Yeats poem is Leda not just for its elegance but also because whenever I read it I cannot help but identify with the swan. I suspect it is a "Greek thing."

And I adore the fact that the mysticism that inspired Yeats was based on events and incidences his wife fabricated. My cultural ancestors were utterly wrong when they argued that only what is true can be beautiful.

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 24, 2013

To be fair Paul, only some of them argued that.

damian ducks in to say...

Posted July 24, 2013

To be fair Paul, only some of them argued that.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted July 25, 2013

I don't care if it isn't true. I want to believe it.

Barnesm reckons...

Posted July 25, 2013

How very Mulderesque of you.

damian reckons...

Posted July 27, 2013

Oh yeah, and something like this:

Thirty days hath November,

March, July and December.

The point is that poetry, even mnemonics that have the ring of truth can lie, and lie barefacedly (the more barefaced the better actually, which is why you can only trust a man with a beard). Beauty might be Truth and Truth might be Beauty, but when we say that we are really talking about "truth*". But I guess as Colbert says, the truthiness shall set you free.

*Might not actually be true.

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Blarkon would have you know...

Posted July 23, 2013

Australian elections are won by capturing the center - and as the figures above show, while the majority of Australians have positive feelings about offshore assessed refugees, the majority of Australians have negative feelings about asylum seekers.

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Anthony asserts...

Posted July 23, 2013

I would imagine that any refugee who reads The Australian regularly would be welcomed with open arms by the Opposition parties as a potential supporter...

By the way, did you know that one of the more endangered birds on Christmas Island is Abbott's Booby?

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Blarkon is gonna tell you...

Posted July 23, 2013

@theage: Hardline asylum seeker policy lifts Rudd in latest poll http://t.co/ULVI6c0NRs via @theage

Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted July 23, 2013

Oh FFS!

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted July 23, 2013

So the folks who chat here are as alone in Australia as I am here in the US.

Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted July 23, 2013

I am begining to get that feeling

Blarkon asserts...

Posted July 23, 2013

No, I suspect that the difference is that in the US you'll see similar figures re "refugees" versus "asylum seekers who arrive via boat specifically". Australians in general are fine with the first group but not with the second.

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 23, 2013

No-one is truly alone, except perhaps Major Tom.

But we are born alone (even twins!) and we die alone. We are deeply social beings, but the edges of existence are profoundly personal.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted July 24, 2013

Blarkon and Damian - I used "alone" to mean that idiots are running the show and, despite shouting out into the void that is the internet there isn't much I can do to change things.

NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted July 24, 2013

OI! I resemble that remark Boylan. Shouting into the Void is one of my hobbies. Are you inferring that it makes no real, substantial, long lasting affect on the opinions of movers &/or shakers?

NBlob reckons...

Posted July 24, 2013

Damn you and your fancy lawyer talk

Lulu puts forth...

Posted July 24, 2013

NoBlob - it makes no real, substantial, long lasting effect when compared with clicking 'like' on Facebook. According to the kids these days, that's where the *real* activism is.

NBlob mumbles...

Posted July 24, 2013

Arise, ye workers from your slumber,
Arise, ye prisoners of want.
For reason in revolt now thunders,
and at last ends the age of cant!
Away with all your superstitions,
Servile masses, arise, arise!
We'll change henceforth the old tradition,
And spurn the dust to win the prize!
So comrades, come rally,
And the last fight let us face.
A Facebook Like,
Unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally,
And the last fight let us face.
A Facebook Like,
Unites the human race.

Barnesm has opinions thus...

Posted July 24, 2013

Got to love a bit of Percy Bysshe Shelley and that telling resolute line

Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you-
Ye are many — they are few"

damian mumbles...

Posted July 24, 2013

Again, no-one shouting into the void is truly alone. There are so many of us standing here at the edge of the void, shouting, arguing and in many cases simply reciting poetry into the void.

damian mumbles...

Posted July 24, 2013

Again, no-one shouting into the void is truly alone. There are so many of us standing here at the edge of the void, shouting, arguing and in many cases simply reciting poetry into the void.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted July 25, 2013

There are voids and then there are voids. This void we are currently shouting into is filled with convivial fellowship of spirit and mind. For fuck sake, we shout poetry into this void and are capable of using poetry to make an argument. Which is why I visit here. I would rather be alone in this void than alone in the void that nudges my back, which, believe me, is far emptier than this particular void that we here are currently shouting into. I prefer a rarified void to a banal one. And this only intensifies my angst and despair.

Don’t get me wrong: I came to adulthood in the 1980’s; I dig angst and despair.

NBlob would have you know...

Posted July 25, 2013

"I dig angst and despair." Messers Smith, Gallup, O'Donnel & Cooper of The Cure, Morrisey & the depression fiends of Joy Division would be so proud.

As for your predeliction for rarified void, apparantly there is void being imported from Fiji and the hills of Suranam to satisfy this .

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted July 25, 2013

"Smith, Gallup, O'Donnel & Cooper of The Cure, Morrisey & the depression fiends of Joy Division"

Wankers, all.

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Fiona asserts...

Posted July 23, 2013

Thanks JB. Grim. Very grim. Makes the Fraser years look like halcyon days.

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Prescient much? (Updated)

Posted June 10, 2013 into Politics by John Birmingham

The Guardian (US) has revealed it's source on Treadstone, er, sorry, the NSA mass surveillance program. Edward Snowdon. A contractor. I feel sorry for this kid. He seems a lot smarter and more level headed than Bradley Manning. Smart enough to know what's about to happen to him.

The Guardian's profile paints a picture of a classic 'high ideals' whistle blower. The most dangerous kind, because they can't be bought off or compromised.

In a note accompanying the first set of documents he provided, he wrote: "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

Despite his determination to be publicly unveiled, he repeatedly insisted that he wants to avoid the media spotlight. "I don't want public attention because I don't want the story to be about me. I want it to be about what the US government is doing."

He does not fear the consequences of going public, he said, only that doing so will distract attention from the issues raised by his disclosures. "I know the media likes to personalise political debates, and I know the government will demonise me."

NSA's Utah Data Centre

And...

I'm guessing almost nobody will watch this. But I'm putting it up anyway. A speech by Russ Feingold, the only guy to vote against the Patriot Act, warning about exactly the sort of industrial scale mass surveillance that seems to have been the raison detre of PRISM.

The relevent bit is at 1.44

If ever there was a prophet unheeded in his own land.

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w from brisbane mumbles...

Posted June 10, 2013

Well done him. Of course, Feingold pointed out that the Act meant that surveillance could automatically extend to anybody that a suspect had contact with. If fact, they have just extended surveillance to everybody.

I heard an internet expert being interviewed a while back. He said, for him, the most surprising change wrought by the WWW was the loss of concern for privacy. In the early days, loss of privacy was a strongly felt concern of most people. This was expected. Now, people just don't seem to care. This was very unexpected.

John Birmingham is gonna tell you...

Posted June 10, 2013

I think the reason for that is the very smrt way the big IT companies have magicked away the idea of privacy replacing it with 'data', which seems a much fairer trade for all the lovely free things they give us.

Not that they're really 'free' of course. We pay for them with our data.

Blarkon asserts...

Posted June 10, 2013

"In 1999, Scott McNealy, the chief executive of Sun Microsystems, summed up the valley’s attitude toward personal data in what became a defining comment of the dot-com boom. “You have zero privacy,” he said. “Get over it.”"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/technology/data-driven-tech-industry-is-shaken-by-online-privacy-fears.html?pagewanted=2&smid=tw-nytimes&partner=rss&emc=rss

It's all about certain people in Silicon Valley being able to scoop your private data for their own profit, but being pissed when the government does it. What the fuck did they think would happen?

If you build a fucking panopticon, of course it's going to be used for evil.

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Dino not to be confused with has opinions thus...

Posted June 10, 2013

I am typing this comment in a haphazard way and zig zagging to minimise the chance of a 'hit'.

It is possible to confuse the supercomputers running algorithms and temporarily 'freeze' an executive 'order' by telling a joke-ie

"Nobody anywhere is reading this sentence"

Privacy on the interwebz?

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Murphy mumbles...

Posted June 10, 2013

Privacy? Lord, the Federal Government has access already to my DA-201 (Army file), my VA Medical Records (to include a detailed treatment history), my student loans which would invariably inform them of what I studied, where, when and with who. They've also got my Dad's DA-201, his VA Medical Records, etc, etc, etc plus his claims info, plus Mom's claim's info and to top all of that off, the Feds and the State have a fairly thick, detailed file on my schizophrenic younger brother.

So . . . what am I getting upset about again? The Government is listening in on comms/data traffic? Meh.

Want me to be upset? Tell me the Government is doing that to specifically target the political opponents of the party in power. Then I'll see about getting upset.

Frankly, if I was the NSA, I'd let this guy go. I'd brush him off, say he is a nutjob and quietly keep doing whatever I was doing. The Guardian profile on him already does most of that work for them.

And anyone who hops on the Internet with any expectation of privacy probably needs to seriously have their head examined. If I don't want people to know about it, I don't put it on here. Ever. Period. Otherwise, I accept the risk.

Respects,

Murph

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John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted June 10, 2013

I think, Muprh, that the problem here isn't just capability. It's capability and intent. Congress delivered the mass surveillance capability, and the NSA used it. Beyond that capability and the intent to use it in specific cases, lies the possible capability and intent to use it exactly as you imagined. To crush dissent, rather than to defend against violent foreign enemies.

Beynd the borders of the US, where the NSA is supposed to operate, the information sharing arrangements of Echelon, the real Echelon, open up the capability of extending industrial scale surveillance into allied countries. The first reports of Britain's GCHQ outsourcing domestic mass surveilance to the NSA have already surfaced.

In a sense, yes, why would people be worried about the Government tracking them, when they have already ceded their privacy to corporations which have no interests other than their own to guide them? But then corporations dont maintain a monopoly on the use of coercion.

This might all be a bit overblown. But for now, it looks very very bad.

Murphy is gonna tell you...

Posted June 10, 2013

Two reasons why I'm not worried that I'm going to wake up living in a North Korea like state.

1. Technology is falible.

It is vulnerable to countermeasures, breakdowns and to its own evolutionary process. Someone will devise something which neutralizes Prism, a system which is probably riddled with vulnerabilities, quirks, flaws and problems.

2. Tyrants make mistakes.

The trend, at least since the Enlightenment, is that sooner or later, tyrants fall. Information overload brings them down. The weight of their own draconian measures undermine them. The cost of the system becomes prohibitive if not self destructive.

No one thought the Soviets would be gone circa 2013 and yet they are nowhere to be found save holdouts like North Korea and Cuba. If one wants to be a pessimist then one could look at a recent BBC article on the fact that foreign currency tends to dominate most transactions in North Korea, whether the government there likes it or not.

The other thing is, great, you have a massive rock candy mountain of raw data. You could feed it into computers and it will sort some of it but I guarantee you that it will still take human eyeballs and brains to sort it all out into something useable.

Anyway, no less than President John Adams, try to silence his political opposition with the Alien and Sedition Acts during his administration. Thomas Jefferson and his Democratic-Republicans eventually used State power to bring him to heel.

So this shit is nothing new. It'll still be vulnerable to the same things which have brought other such systems down.

Respects,

Murph

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Blarkon asserts...

Posted June 10, 2013

If you've read any of the histories of the FBI/NSA/CIA you'll know that they have a big history of going way past whatever Congressional limits have been put in place.

One might also point out that a certain information sucking search engine pulled out of China when they figured out that a good number of employees were actually in the employ of state apparatus. Assuming that their Mountain View operation isn't similarly riddled is at best ... pretty fucking naive.

Murphy asserts...

Posted June 10, 2013

As I mentioned in my previous post, the government trampling on the Constitution is nothing new. Adams pretty well stomped all over it during his Presidency.

I'm concerned but I can't help but think that the thing is probably a Mickey Mouse Piece of Shit that cost too much, breaks down frequently and rarely provides anything of real value which is actionable.

And even if it did provide something of value, which was actionable, that a President would actually act on, we'd probably fuck the op up in the process. UBL's recent termination not withstanding.

Respects,

Murph

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Blarkon mutters...

Posted June 10, 2013

Yup - the one redeeming bit of the history of the CIA black ops and the KGB black ops was how often they fucked stuff up completely through dumb arse mistakes.

We like to read about hyper-competent agents and see them in movies, but in reality it's more like Mr Bean. All this info gets collected, but it's only used for petty shit like blackmail. Hover was doing that all the time. Even petty shit can have political results.

In the long run, no one is going to go to jail for spying too much on the citizens of their own country..

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted June 10, 2013

Daniel Ellsberg made a great point today in The Guardian: "Obviously, the United States is not now a police state. But given the extent of this invasion of people's privacy, we do have the full electronic and legislative infrastructure of such a state."

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Legless puts forth...

Posted June 10, 2013

Edward Snowdon. The poor, brave, bastard. He's proper fucked. It now just depends on who gets to him first. China would love to get thier hands on him - he'd be a priceless asset for them. Ditto Russia, any terrorist organisation, the UK - we're no slouches at dirty tricks and Hong Kong is still our patch and, obviously, the USA. For them, it's almost worth taking any risk to make sure that others can't have him. Kill or kidnap him and take the political heat.

I just can't see a good end to this.

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Rhino swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted June 10, 2013

Just posted this on FB ... on purpose:

How is it that people are not marching on Wash DC with torches, pitch forks, vats of hot oil and bags of feathers? Clean out the congress and white house. Term limits for congress now!

I have no expectation of privacy when I cast missives out into the ether. But, hell, a president was taken down 40 years ago for bugging one office ... that doesn't touch the NSA and IRS shenanigans.

John Birmingham mutters...

Posted June 10, 2013

What an interesting point about Nixon. He went down, initially, for the break in. But yeah, the proto fascist surveillane state HST imagined him to have created was nothing compared to the reality of PRISM et al.

Murphy puts forth...

Posted June 10, 2013

Nixon couldn't point to two smoking craters in NYC, one in a Pennsylvania field or another in the side of the Pentagon. And it was patently obvious that he was deliberately targeting his political opponents.

Personally, I'm more upset about the IRS scandal than I am about this. At least there is evidence that political groups were systematically targetted by the IRS.

The question is, on whose authority?

Anyway, I'm more worried about the tax man than I am about some computer program which probably doesn't work as well as the press says it does.

Respects,

Murph

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Rhino is gonna tell you...

Posted June 11, 2013

Murph - I'm 100% in agreement with you on the IRS scandal.

However, all of these things are of a sort and constitute a pattern that is very disconcerting in the whole.

Murphy is gonna tell you...

Posted June 11, 2013

Yes, but if you look at the overall trend in American History, tracing back to the Adams Administration, you find this sort of thing happening over and over again.

You also find that it is frequently rolled back, then augmented, then rolled back again.

Thing is, I don't have much use for dickheads like Snowden. At 28 years old he gets to make a unilateral decision on National Security? I mean, I look at that guy and I wouldn't trust him to fix my iPhone let alone make a decision about anything security related.

The other thing is that I don't know that I want to have a society where we encourage and heroify people like this. Top Secret Security clearance gives you access to something you find objectionable? Well, fuck that. Just send it to the media, become a hero, have people fawn all over you and try to protect you from the government.

I might add that sooner or later the security agencies will probably develop a psychological profile which identifies which people are prone to leak. I figure once they do, they'll tighten the screws even further on this sort of behavior.

Respects,

Murph

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Rhino mumbles...

Posted June 11, 2013

Murph ... I hear you - I'm all about the pendulum swinging back and forth and generally preach it whenever someone's head catches on fire when discussing politics. However, what what I find to be more worrisome, in this instance, is that I think that we are at a crucial tipping poiint:

1. There is very little discernible difference between republicans and democrats in congress from a fiscal policy perspective. And, yes, I know, China isn't going to come in and foreclose on the Smithsonian any time soon and that the econonmy is wayyyy too complex for anyone, even the guys in charge of predicting stuff, to understand. I am more concerned about the impact on our culture.

2. The technology and bureaucratic infrastructure exists that would provide for a very effective police state, whereas, in the past the ability of the government to meddle in the lives of the majority of middle america just wasn't there.

3. The 51% have fully realized that they can vote themselves the largesse of the treasury and there are those in power that are more than willing to pander to that crowd.

I could go on but that is a taste.

Dogs, children and government will always try to get away with as much as they can when the adults are not looking.

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Blarkon is gonna tell you...

Posted June 10, 2013

Nixon was an amateur compared to Hoover.

The recent FBI history by Wiener (who did the fucking awesome Legacy of Ashes on the CIA) will scare the bejezzus out of you http://www.amazon.com/Enemies-History-FBI-Tim-Weiner/dp/0812979230/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1370841323&sr=8-2&keywords=legacy+of+ashes

The first thing that Nixon did when Hoover died was to try to get the massive trove of blackmail files that Hoover had collected. Presidents and congress fucking feared this guy.

When it comes to the three later agencies - they'll do it if someone can convince themselves that it is in "the nation's interest". Congress is considered a joke and certainly doesn't have the stomach to take on the intelligence agencies.

Power corrupts - and these agencies have had an insane amount of power for a very long time.

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tqft asserts...

Posted June 10, 2013

Having worked in government & had a security clearance, I am well aware of the existence of a file on me.

As well I probably crossed the line in 2003 and drew a little TLA attention to myself. I was looking for some info and wanted some help. Fascinating answers. Worthwhile.

Most seemed to be worried about now. I am more concerned about what this will look like in 10 years.

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Barnesm reckons...

Posted June 10, 2013

Surely he will be protected under Whistleblower legislation

Brarahahahahahahahahahah

sorry couldn't finish that sentence with a straight face.

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AuntyLou is gonna tell you...

Posted June 10, 2013

I may be missing something (nothing new there) but JB why would almost nobody watch the Feingold speech? A friend in the states sent me a transcript of it around that time. I remember thinking that maybe that dude would change the direction of the Patriot Act when "right thinking" types joined in - yeah I know. It at least helped me believe that the whole of the US hadn't gone bat-shit insane.

John Birmingham mutters...

Posted June 10, 2013

I exaggerate. But not by much.

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TeamAmerica puts forth...

Posted June 11, 2013

Rhino-"How is it that people are not marching on Wash DC with torches, pitch forks, vats of hot oil and bags of feathers? Clean out the congress and white house. Term limits for congress now!"

Actually, they did, and the media demonized them and the IRS harassed them. At 2:45, a former member of Andy Warhol's progressive rock group, 'The Velvet Undeground,' expresses her opinion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEt-IaRbcVY

http://www.stereogum.com/550602/moe-tucker-explains-tea-party-affiliation/top-stories/

Rhino mutters...

Posted June 11, 2013

Good stuff, right there.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted June 11, 2013

A dark madness. An ironic horror story. Surely the Second Coming is at hand.

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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted June 11, 2013

The IRS 'scandal' in the US will prove to be a load of hooey.
Just IRS workers doing their job.

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Turns out the mad mullahs have always been crazy

Posted June 6, 2013 into Politics by John Birmingham

Douglas Coupland had his own phrase for 'generational exceptionalism' - the idea that what's happening to you and the world right now is unique and could never have happened to anyone ever before. But I can't remember it.

The concept popped right into my head, however, when I read this entry at Mentalfloss from a post about cats that have changed the world.


While serving as U.S. ambassador to India in 1962, John Kenneth Galbraith brought his family along on an official visit to Gujarat, where the governor of the Indian state presented Galbraith’s two sons with a pair of Siamese kittens. The boys named one Ahmedabad, after the city where the cats were born. Later that year, Galbraith’s wife, Catherine, told a story about the cat, using the kitten’s nickname, “Ahmed.”
What the family didn’t realize is that Ahmed is one of the many names of the prophet Muhammad. When the story appeared in the international edition of Time, it sparked outrage in Pakistan, where extremists were already fuming over American aid to Indian armed forces. The consulate was attacked, a jeep carrying Americans overturned, and mullahs decried U.S. insensitivity. Galbraith moved to avert the diplomatic crisis, starting with changing the cat’s name to Gujarat, but as he later wrote, “Amateurs will never understand how much can turn on the name of a kitten.”

Check the date in the first line. 1962. And rioting over the name of a kitteh.

Sweet baby cheeses.

First I will sow discord in the Levant. Then I will foment revolt in the crescent of instability...

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Barnesm reckons...

Posted June 6, 2013

The only Douglas Coupland's Neo-logism I can recall that soun d like the one you are describing is Now Denial:

"To tell oneself that the only time worth living in is the past and that the only time that may ever be interesting again is the future".

But that sounds like the opposite of waht you are describing above

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Blarkon is gonna tell you...

Posted June 6, 2013

One does not need to look closely at history to find examples where stupidity has been whipped up into tragedy.

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Myriads mutters...

Posted June 7, 2013

The word for the term you can't shake out of your noggin that I have heard is "Chronalcentrism' the idea that what is happening now is unique and special.

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pitpat asserts...

Posted June 7, 2013

No one would have minded if they had a dog instead. Always the cats that start the trouble

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Spanner has opinions thus...

Posted June 7, 2013

Think of the trouble Quokka's cats could cause.

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Posted June 7, 2013

I think I'm in trouble with a cat called Fairy. How do you spot a gay Islamic extremist?

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Therbs puts forth...

Posted June 7, 2013

Almost as much of a problem as Mrs Slocombe had with her pussy. Ooh err....

I'll get me coat.

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He cried out with a felafel in his hand

Posted June 6, 2013 into Politics by John Birmingham

A sticky, rather nasty and inedible felafel.

I'm not sure how this infamous incident of felafel abuse escaped my attention until now, but I have only just learned that Fox News Bill O'Reilly was sued, and settled, after allegedly harassing Andres Mackris, a female producer.

So what, you might say. He does worse on air every day. But no, I've read the deposition at Smoking Gun and that is some nasty shit. Nasty, nasty funny shit.

I'll let the source of my enlightenment, former Fox staffer Joe Muto, tell the story:

"... but the gist of it is: Mackris claimed that, over the course of several dinners and phone calls, Bill repeatedly made suggestive remarks, tried to convince her to buy herself sex toys, and on at least three occasions called her while he was pleasuring himself. The lawsuit never says so explicitly, but Mackris apparently had audio recordings of some of the phone calls, because at some points, it quotes O’Reilly verbatim and at length."

I've read the alleged transcript and just let me say, "Eewww."

One of these word-for-word passages features Bill monologuing a fantasy of showering in a hotel on a tropical island with the producer. He repeatedly mentions his desire to scrub her down with “one of those mitts, one of those loofah mitts.

...Unfortunately for Bill—and fortuitously for late-night comedians and Keith Olbermann—soon enough, the thread of his tropical fantasy gets away from him, and he temporarily forgets the name of his ersatz sex toy, confusing it with a word for a delicious Middle Eastern food made from fried chickpeas.

And that’s how the entire Fox News organization and the world at large discovered that the number one host in cable news had allegedly told one of his producers that he wanted to massage her lady parts with a “falafel.”

Internet, I can't believe you've been holding out on me for five years about this. Why. Wasn't. I. Told???

17 Responses to ‘He cried out with a felafel in his hand’

Blarkon would have you know...

Posted June 6, 2013

We. Thought. You. Knew.

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Blarkon mutters...

Posted June 6, 2013

You know about this stuff right?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0087PTMW2/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0087PTMW2&linkCode=as2&tag=natdee-20

Barnesm mutters...

Posted June 6, 2013

ahhh, you complete bastard. You know what is seen can not be unseen......

Trowzers mumbles...

Posted June 6, 2013

I have a friend who used to edit this particular genre of fiction (mostly elf stuff). Apparenly there is a lot of money in it. Rule 34 and all that.

Brother PorkChop is gonna tell you...

Posted June 7, 2013

Had me a peek, fuck me drunk and sideways.
The Catgirl and the Orc Woman?? And the classic - A Game of Bones!!

"Contains partial shifting, hot gay sex, and a cuttlefish shifter gangbang!" WTF!?!?!?

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Blarkon would have you know...

Posted June 6, 2013

Makes what you objected to about China Mieville seem pedestrian.

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Barnesm mutters...

Posted June 6, 2013

I am never eating a FELAFEL AGAIN.

I thought you knew about this one as well.

There is this thing called the internet, you should check it out.

and I think there are some youngsters playing out on your lawn.

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w from brisbane has opinions thus...

Posted June 6, 2013

And, of course, if you had read the internet before blogging on the bloody internet you would have known about this already.

(See what I did there? A try hard dig re: JB's mockery of GoT viewers who hadn't already read the books.)

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w from brisbane has opinions thus...

Posted June 6, 2013

And, of course, if you had read the internet before blogging on the bloody internet you would have known about this already.

(See what I did there? A try hard dig re: JB's mockery of GoT viewers who hadn't already read the books.)

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Murphy has opinions thus...

Posted June 7, 2013

I have to admit, in the film version, the fluid running down the corpse's arm does bear a striking resemblance to a certain bodily fluid.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

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Dino not to be confused with asserts...

Posted June 7, 2013

JB,

The poor man is a disgrace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY

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Shifty Tourist mumbles...

Posted June 7, 2013

To each his own I suppose, its an anything goes society now days. However I just want to say that I'm a traditionalist, when I rub my lady down I use a good ol' Aussie meat pie (football stadium temperature). None of this foreigner food.

Bunyip mumbles...

Posted June 7, 2013

Tomato sauce or mustard? Inquiring minds, yadda yadda...

Shifty Tourist mutters...

Posted June 7, 2013

Variety is the spice of life, sometimes tomato sauce, sometimes mustard... maybe both if its her birthday.

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Lulu reckons...

Posted June 7, 2013

I'll have to scrub my brain & my eyes out now; far too early in the morning for that kind of image.

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Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted June 7, 2013

And the court has upheld a prisoner's right to read interspeices erotica see here

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