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Posted March 11, 2016 into Music by beeso

In which Beeso and the Doc discuss the BS Report Report, confusion and delay, Welcome to Tairns, America is fukt, flagging interest, forgetting your Bad Dreems, harnessing rawness, fuck boomers, inside baseball, aggressive doo-wop, Munt Chucks, string theory, hip-hop: it's really difficult and let us tell you why at great length, mattress fetishists, the Roar and the cooked, S&M was NFG, shopping by label, Josh Freese finds yet another LA rock band to drum for, and another edition of our award-winning segment Keys To Understanding Kendrick.

In this week's ep we review new Frights, restrung Hilltops and '07-vintage Vasco Era. Next week: Wolfmother, Yuck and Portishead live in NYC. As always, this and next week's selections are on the BALLS Spotify playlist.- by Dr Yobbo

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Posted March 2, 2016 into Music by beeso

In which Beeso and Dr Yobbo (still whinging about his manflu) talk Beesoap, pleasurable drives, playing to the crowd, the blame game, peak cock, Very L.A., the Doc can't remember which RHCP album he's talking about, pornographic basslines, skipping practice, Adam is wrong (although he's right about this), headphone lust, Also Very L.A., all that you'd pay good money to leave behind, the Simpsons vs King Wally, Kanye vs Molly vs Lexapro, competitive drug abuse, and getting it right in the orchestras. Album reviews this week were the Jezebels' Synthia, Buckcherry's unironically titled latest Rock 'N' Roll and RHCP's 1991 classic Blood Sugar Sex Magik. Next week we get the Frights, troll boomers from the Hilltops with an orchestra, and crank a recent Australian classic by The Vasco Era. As always, this week and next's tunes are on the BALLS Spotify playlist. by Dr Yobbo

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Major Tom leaves orbit, flies into the dark

Posted January 11, 2016 into Music by John Birmingham

I was never much of a Bowie fan. But maybe you were.

Lots of people were really, really intense Bowie fans.

Tough day for them.

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Sparty is gonna tell you...

Posted January 11, 2016
Big fan. Met him once, (in same group seeing a play) - avoided going into fan boy as his gaze just said "I know, you don't have to say anything". So I calmed down and chatted about Japan.. He was effortlessly cool + brilliant.


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w from brisbane asserts...

Posted January 11, 2016
Bowie was probably the only intellectual modern pop star. I remember reading an interview with him by Rex Reed back in the 1970s. For some reason, it was in the back of a limo going across the American desert. Bowie was at his most skeletal. Reed was an old school bloke with no interest in pop/rock and he wondered who was this strange creature. As they chatted, he realised that Bowie had seen every silent film made before 1930. Not just the big names; Chaplin, Keaton, Murnau, Pabst, Eisenstein etc. But like every pre-1930s film. Bowie was a very interesting fellow.

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she_jedi is gonna tell you...

Posted January 11, 2016
Discovering Labyrinth as a tween and encountering him as the Goblin King was a life changing moment. I don't think I've been rocked this badly by the death of a musician since Freddie Mercury died. I'm just devastated.

NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted January 11, 2016
That was a great role. The man who fell to earth made me feel a bit dumb, like I was missing the joke.

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AuntyLou has opinions thus...

Posted January 11, 2016
Gutted. Have been a fan since I was 12 years old...& I am more properly known as Grandma Lou. Bowie has been the soundtrack to my life. I didn't like everything he did but loved the way he just breezed past artificial genre boundaries. He was the quintessential artist of our time.

Abe Frellman has opinions thus...

Posted January 11, 2016
Perfectly put.

she_jedi has opinions thus...

Posted January 11, 2016
Of all performers, Bowie seemed to be the only one who was immortal, or was supposed to be. At the moment it's inconceivable that he's gone.

Surtac ducks in to say...

Posted January 12, 2016

Also gutted. And agree completely with what AuntyLou said.

I have a new playlist to try to get through today at work - Ziggy Stardust and the new album Blackstar.

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jason puts forth...

Posted January 12, 2016
I thought this guy would live forever. Listened to Ziggy Stardust last night start to finish. Reminded me what a genius the man was and what we lost. Also got me thinking about the friends I used to listen to this guy with and how they are still with me through the music.

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Posted January 12, 2016
He's the only reason my answer to "first album you bought" would have been considered *remotely* cool if I ever made it onto Rockwiz. I bought Let's Dance when I was at school, a couple of years after it was released. My family was on holiday in some or other small coastal town, and I stumbled across the album.

Just on Sunday night I was watching "Twenty Feet From Stardom", about backup singers, and there was old footage of Bowie doing Young Americans & others. The backup singers were speaking very kindly of him, and so has everyone else been.

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon asserts...

Posted January 12, 2016
Man i had a shit day yesterday. Struck down vomiting from suspected food poisoning. Decided to skip work and watched Interstellar and some black mirror eps. Then the news about Bowie came through. Left me feeling very flat. Even my kids were down about it (they are 10 and 7). Speaking to them over the phone at their grandparents and they say in a subdued voice "did Grandma tell you what happened?" . . . shit no, what happened?, "David Bowie died" phew, we already knew . . . . but still a bummer. I'll never forget the the look on their faces when they drew the dots that the Goblin King was the dude singing on the stereo. Love that man . . . . except for Dancing in the Street. That one can stay locked away in the dark.

JG asserts...

Posted January 12, 2016
Also a fan for around 40 years. Perfectly put, AuntyLou. He was a always a groundbreaker and changed with the times. He took risks and was ahead of the times. So many personalities and styles over the decades. I still listen to his music on my running playlists. A true legend.

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SZF has opinions thus...

Posted January 12, 2016
FFS world, stop it. Weiland and Wright were no surprise given their demons, and bless him but Lemmy just looked like he always had one foot in the pit. Hearing they'd invaded Valhalla with fire and thunderous riffs was a shame, yet appropriate.
But Bowie hurts.

dweeze swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted January 12, 2016
Already numb from Lemmy. Yeh, he be scorching Valhalla with Stevie and Scott. The duke was too cool for Norse gods.

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Peter Bradley mumbles...

Posted January 12, 2016
"The stars look very different today"

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Murphy_of_Missouri puts forth...

Posted January 12, 2016
Loved him in The Prestige.

Let's Dance!

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Quokka puts forth...

Posted January 12, 2016
Yep. I saw that news pop up & I felt like I'd lost a part of my youth.I was at Lang Park in November '83 for the Serious Moonlight gig. It was slick & professional, everything ran to schedule down to the exact minute & the man & his band did not miss a beat. We all walked away in awe after that show. We all got the impression that Bowie looked down on Brisbane like a turd stuck to his shoe but that was the fading days of the Joh regime, after all. And I do think that the overall impression he had of Australia in general & Brisbane in particular was pretty much as Billy Connolly put it 'Queensland is the Alabama of Australia.'I was with a bunch of black friends who'd grown up in the UK & they said he was totally different with the audiences over there.

AuntyLou ducks in to say...

Posted January 12, 2016
I was at that one Quokka. Was pretty disappointed because I had been waiting such a long time (I had not been allowed to the 1978 concert because know one I knew wanted to go - and I was an obedient teenager) and he just didn't seem to want to be here.
Leap forward to 2004 and the most wonderful concert imaginable. Songs buried on old albums suddenly appearing among the most popular hits. Bowie prowling up and down, playing with the audience. The concert I had always wanted. I literally stood with my hand to my mouth trying to stop myself squealing like a teeny-bopper. Ahh...the memories.

Quokka ducks in to say...

Posted January 12, 2016
Wow. I'm sorry I missed it. Music is personal, though, so when you get the feeling that an artist has other places he'd rather be, it does put you off going back for another dose of it.
It did lead to some interesting discussions with my UK friends about what Europe was like compared to Brisneyland & that was quite an eye opener. I could understand why he would have been wishing himself elsewhere. Kudos to the professionalism of that show, though. Is it my fading middle aged memory, or did he finish his set & walk off & he didn't come back? I'm sure I remember standing there for 20 minutes, my friends insisting he was just out the back having a few cones because he always came back on stage in the UK.Again - Brisbane, Brisbane thug cops, Joh. He probably couldn't get on a plane out of here fast enough. I'm so glad I got to see that show, though.

Brother PorkChop has opinions thus...

Posted January 12, 2016
I was at that one too. Was telling my kids I had Raelene Chen on my shoulders for most of it, about 10 people back from the stage - they were somewhat shocked. Adored his music, his characters and his obvious cool intelligence. The thin white duke absolutely rocked. I don't at all like it that some of my heroes are gone.

Brother PorkChop asserts...

Posted January 12, 2016
And I forgot Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence. I did enjoy that flick - Bowie was good, music by Ryuichi Sakamoto was excellent and the Japanese sargeant played by comedian Takeshi was amazing.

AuntyLou puts forth...

Posted January 12, 2016
Yeah your memory is correct Q. He just strolled through the whole concert & then buggered off. There were apparently issues behind the scenes as well. I do know that at least one of the band was ill/unavailable (saxophonist if my memory serves...so pretty damn important ) & had to be subbed by a local boy who was a friend of a friend. Stood there for ages hoping that at least we would get something, but nada. Local boy said he was "polite".

AuntyLou is gonna tell you...

Posted January 12, 2016
And BPC...absolutely love that movie. The soundtrack is one to sit & listen to on a humid stormy afternoon. Bowie was so intense yet restrained..yeah thanks for the addition to the list (be grateful he doesn't know where you live...give it a few days & my hubby will probably be over this Bowie shit ?)

AuntyLou would have you know...

Posted January 12, 2016
And bugger this writing on a tablet! I just wrote a most amusing bon mot re being young & thin & sitting on shoulders...gone to the gods!

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted January 12, 2016
My wife shook me awake early this morning to tell me the news. My son called a few hours after tell me the same. Very sad day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIog1vxXN4U

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Rob mutters...

Posted January 13, 2016


I never really liked his output. It was the 80s and I was too young to know about the groovy stuff he made in the 70s. But the parts that piqued my interest was his cover of China Girl which lead me to Iggy Pop and his song Cat People which he wrote with Georgio Moroder, that song must have influenced all the alternative bands like Killing Joke, Ministry and Nine Inch Nails. I did however admire him as an artist, he was the last great modernists of the 20th century , before we devolved into knowing post modern irony about everything we see and hear.

One thing I that stands out about David Bowie was how his lyrics were constructed gibberish. He used a very Dada and William Burroughs approach to text, by randomising sentences, words, paras. He did it by cutting up words he had written to a formula. Later on, a fan made him software to do it for him. So his words were meaningful in a random kinda way by the listener.

Now put on your red shoes and dance the blues

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TheWah mumbles...

Posted January 13, 2016
He wrote a song that put a spot light on the plight of indigenous australians back in 1983... well before most white australians gave a flying fig about the plight of the indigenous australians. So, well done British man, that was pretty cool of you.

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Flicking the Electric Light Orchestra back on

Posted November 22, 2015 into Music by John Birmingham

How can you not love this awesome SciFi album art? Are you some sort of monster?

Until I stumbled across this Rolling Stone review of ELO’s recent reunion gig in New York I’d forgotten how much I loved that band in my teens. A tweeted link to Stone's story and declaration of intent to spend the afternoon streaming the band's backlist brought an immediate reaction from Silent Rob who opined, "Nooooo." But he was outvoted, the entire middle-aged internet to one. (Beeso and the Doc did not attend the polling booth.)

Stone's reviewer was apparently an old fan too.

Higher and higher, baby. Now this was a momentous occasion: Jeff Lynne's ELO playing their first real American show in 30 years, an intimate gig at New York's tiny Irving Plaza that sold out within seconds. Some of us had waited years for this night — probably including Jeff Lynne, who looked touchingly shy in the presence of a live crowd. Electric Light Orchestra songs tend to be so eerie and isolated — it's strange to stand in a room full of your fellow fans singing along to songs as profoundly lonesome as "Telephone Line" or "Turn to Stone." (There was hardly an audience member not singing along.) But it was a night to celebrate, dance and bust out the air-cello moves.

Air Cello FTFW!

I had three or four big ol’ vinyl platters of Jeff Lynne’s high concept pop art orchestral rock and I spun them up every chance I had. Later, I fed the maw of one greedy tape player after another with cassettes of the same albums – at least until I had access to a 3-in-1 player-recorder and could make my own copies to feed the instiable appetite of those tape-eating analogue fiends.

Remember when blank cassettes were going to destroy the music industry and all of western civilisation with it? Yeah, good times.

Anyway, I’m playing A New World Record as I type this, and it’s weird – I don’t recognise all of the songs. I’m not sure if bonus tracks have snuck on, or whether I just fast forwarded through the unfamiliar songs thirty years ago. That was some grandmaster Kung Fu everyone had to learn before the arrival of the CD-Walkman and the dark magic of track skipping.

(A little off topic but I can’t think of a more telling precursor of what was coming with the digital disintegration and atomisation of popular music than the way we all jumped on the Walkman’s track skipping like a Labrador on a T-Bone. I remain a big fan of playing whole albums, but how many albums were actually worth playing in their entirety? Not many, I’d hazard.)

I’ve mostly been playing ELO’s backlist as background today, while I worked, but later on I might put on some headphones and really crank up the 70s. It's a lucky thing parenthood cured me of my doobie smokin' ways because otherwise I'd totes be firing up a choice fatty to properly unpack Discovery.

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NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted November 22, 2015
You are a touch, ahem, more senior than I. My recollection of ELO & That album art was on the wall of a school friend's older, hipper (& very hot) sister. By the time I got to album buying size Jeff had retired to his mountain top moog powered retreat & Supertramp were filling stadia. Of course, now as is the way of things commercial Sh!ts & memories radio have taken a good & wholesome thing from my childhood and whored it to curtains shops & small engine mechanics.

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Murphy_of_Missouri reckons...

Posted November 22, 2015
Back in grad school during Christmas we would turn off the usual Rush Limbaugh feed at the Civil War Sutlery I worked at and fill the store with ELO.

It was a hell of a thing.

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Des swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 22, 2015
Jeff Lynne .. most anonymous Rock God genius ever. mention him, and people stare blankly... untii you say 'that guy with the beard, afro and sunnies in the Travelling Wilburies. John Lennon called ELO 'son of the Beatles on a radio show in 74. says it all.

Des swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 22, 2015
IMHO punk killed them. whilst they had a gorgeous melodies, and superb production, they had no politics, which became more important than polish. the Clash, the Pistols, The Jam etc were plugging directly into powerful resentments in the west, and Lynne's whimsy became obsolete. it has to be said that onstage, Lynne had all the animation of a beche de mer, and the Springsteens, Strummers, Wellers, even Morriseys delivered a more connected raw experience for eighties audiences. does not take away from Lynne's genius though.

John Birmingham mutters...

Posted November 22, 2015
Punk. Or Time. Time kills everything. Even Punk.

Des asserts...

Posted November 22, 2015
wittingly or otherwise, you might as well have been referring to their album, "Time" killing them, after Discovery. they got rid of the trademark cellos and violins on that album. compare the synth-heavy 'Hold on Tight' with the majesty of 'Evil Woman', and 'Do Ya'. 1980...thats when i drifted off

John Birmingham ducks in to say...

Posted November 22, 2015
Just been playing it. You're right. It was a sugar sweet nostalgia hit, but I won't be plating it up again for a while. Whereas I'll have the earlier stuff on high rotation for the next few months. The most recent album, Alone in the Universe, is a return to form, though. Not that anyone cares.

Des swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 22, 2015
Check out the unassuming everyday genius talking about 'discovering' the chords to 'Livin Thing'. very cool.https://youtu.be/O0mYVP4zR5s

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yankeedog reckons...

Posted November 22, 2015
I have nothing to add, except this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt6o03K_y54

Des mutters...

Posted November 22, 2015
thats what they opened with in '78 at festival hall. green lasers squirting off a mirror ball at the back, into the portentous darkness.

AuntyLou reckons...

Posted November 22, 2015
Ah the memories! All my friend & I could say, when collected by my parental unit after that concert, was "amazing".

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Posted November 22, 2015
I'm working my way though The Alan Parsons Project, Moody Blues and Fleetwood Mac on the pod of i for my commute. These are all stuff I listened to as a kid that my Dad owned on vinyl.
The 1970s did weird good. Man what sort of drugs were they on...oh yeah right ...1970s all of them.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted November 23, 2015
It's a blue world, mate.

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Posted November 22, 2015
Love ELO - the Whale is one of my fave instrumental pieces, it's a featured part of a grand screenplay in the making.

Thanks JB for reminding me of Jeff Lynne, I know most fans remember the beard and sunnies for me it was always the string section, especially the violins.

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Fimomofo would have you know...

Posted November 22, 2015
Remember the b-side of the Xanadu soundtrack? So much GOLD!

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted November 22, 2015
I may have owned a copy. In various formats.

Dick mumbles...

Posted November 23, 2015
Still do, on vinyl.

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Posted November 23, 2015
I remember honing my track-skipping skills on albums like this one, Pink Floyd's The Wall and Led Zep's In Through the Out Door. Once you got the hang of applause, live albums, like Supertramp Live in Paris became a doddle. I think Sony's track-skipping technology provided my first lesson in the need to future proof my skills; I remember one Christmas morning feeling an overwhelming sense of redundancy at age 10. I was the track-skipping whisperer no more.
PS I am totes stealing 'Labrador onto a T bone'... 'Fat kid onto a smartie' and 'Seagull onto a hot chip' have had their day around the sausage factory. I might need to tweak it a little, I'm thinking maybe "Labrador onto a Toulouse" might go down ok. (I know garlic and onion are out, but how do dogs go with nutmeg?)

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beeso puts forth...

Posted November 23, 2015
We had a little chat this week about how streaming is changing some stuff. One of the things i'm big on is that it lets smaller bands do an album again, as in an album as a thematic whole, because niche music listening means you don't have pull out a killer single for radio. The other is the album length. You don't have to to a 45-60 min album. It can be 7 tracks and 22 min or 21 tracks and 130 min, Spotify doesn't give a fuck. But listening to some of our classic albums you can just spot the filler a mile away.

Therbs ducks in to say...

Posted November 23, 2015

There's a lot of old mix tape theory in using Spotify. Used to cherry pick new album purchases and those of friends and flatmates thus avoiding crap filler tracks. missed those tapes until streaming became a thing.

As for ELO? I found it good as an accompaniment to riding in lifts. My nostalgia lies more in punk/post punk garage guitar theory.


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Darth Greybeard swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 23, 2015
Going down to the man cave to dig out the massive boxes of CDs and find ELO. I may be some time.

NBlob reckons...

Posted November 23, 2015
Probably beside the Elk clavicle & that bloody tuneless femur flute.

Therbs mumbles...

Posted November 23, 2015
... and those shite drums made of mammoth skulls

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Brother PorkChop reckons...

Posted November 23, 2015
Awesome! I once got sent to the deputy principals office for singing Telephone Line in class at primary school - maybe grade 2 or 3, I'd have to check. Always been on my playlist and I like the lot - Evil Woman to Rockaria.I chilled Saturday night listening to the early Fleetwood Mac where there are no girls. Some great tracks there too but then went to the later Mac tunes. They sound just as good live now as they did on the albums IMHO.

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Rob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 23, 2015

Its funny what a few years in someone's age makes. I moaned about ELO and couldn't see the point of listening to it ever . It strikes me that being 14 is the golden year for setting your taste in music for the rest of your life. I have a friend who is 2 years older than me and still listens to Kiss , when I went 'really?' she asked me what I liked at 14, well it was SNFU, Fear, Crass and the Butthole Surfers. So she grew up listening to hard rock with a pop veneer and I grew up listening to punk rock which veered into underground weirdness and experimental recording. So for better or worse turning 14 set my taste in music for the rest of my life. But to me, ELO was something that was played on easy listening stations in coastal towns in NZ, nothing too offensive or challenging, while my friends and I all listened to Motorhead , Metallica and Suicidal Tendencies, and when my son's both turned 14 they listened to NoFX, Blink 182 and Rammstein.

however I wonder if we can all agree on Weird Al Yankovic?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted November 23, 2015
Weird Al is a fucking genius. Watch the video for Living with a Hernia (parody of James Brown's Living in America) and you will see almost unbelievably complex, intelligent parody/satire. I Lost on Jeopardy (send up of The Greg Kihn Band's Our Love's in Jeopardy (1983)) and Another One Rides the Bus (Queen's Another One Bites the Dust (1980)) are personal nostalgic favorites. I rode that same bus over the Sepulveda Pass from the San Fernando Valley to Sunset Blvd., and damn was it crowded.

dweeze mutters...

Posted November 23, 2015
I must be one of those weird few who do not stick with their teenage musical tastes. Quite separately to Beeso and the Doc, I have long made a policy of trying out new music and not closing the doors on newer styles. If I had stayed stuck, my life would be a re-run of Adam & the Angst, Siouxsie Sioux and Australian Crawl. Bleghhhhhhhhh. I'd have to self-lobotomise.

Therbs would have you know...

Posted November 23, 2015
Hey Rob, do those same easy listening NZ coastal stations now bombard the airwaves with Nil Fun, Dave Dobbyn and Fat Freddie's Drop?

Rob reckons...

Posted November 23, 2015


sounds way better than when I was a kid. I heard Radio Hauraki now sounds like student radio from when I was 20.

Nirvana and Soundgarden on your high rotation, no repeat work day station. Aha boomers the shoes on the other foot now, its GenX who want new cars, giveaways, tyre deals and deep voiced superannuation tour adverts.

Worked with Dave Dobbyn once, we made him play solo acoustic at a dark, very empty Aotea Square .

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Bondiboy66 reckons...

Posted November 24, 2015
Coastal town radio in NZ....had a serious flashback to some holidays of my youth, visiting the NZ rellies...
I suspect we are of an age Rob - you mirror my own musical tastes! Except Crass - never really got into them. Still can't go past a loud guitar, although my sons have steered me towards various Metal genres as a variation.

Rob asserts...

Posted November 24, 2015
I liked Crass cos I was basically an OG emo , but its pretty awful, and recorded out of time. Literally the drummer could not play. I liked all the weird electronic noise and radio edits. But yeah I think Jeffrey Lewis did a fantastic folk version of their songs on , wait for it '12 Crass songs'. One day a few years back , driving over the Tasman bridge listening to Hatebreed I had to ask myself. 'when the hell did I become a metaller?'

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Rdio Silence

Posted November 17, 2015 into Music by John Birmingham

Rdio are bankrupt. Pandora, the streaming radio service have bought up some of their IP, equipment and talent, but the service itself is dead. This makes me sad. I kept my Rdio subscription going ($30 a month, four family members) even after AppleMusic arrived and I subscribed to that.

Rdio was a much simpler service than AppleMusic, and much more reliable and elegant for it. I still get weird drop outs on Apple, and the machine learning isn't very bright. I don't how many times I've told Tim and Eddie that I don't want to listen to Rhiana – but they still keep serving her up to me.

Of course Rdio didn't have a coupla hundred billion in cash hidden under the mattress in Ireland and competition in the streaming market gets tougher every day. It will probably shake out to a couple of behemoths – Apple, Google, Amazon – and a graveyard full of dead competitors. I don't know that the giants will even make money on their services. They might just run them as loss leaders.

I will miss the simplicity and reliability of Rdio though. It just worked.

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bawpcwpn reckons...

Posted November 17, 2015
I really wanted to use Rdio but unfortunately, at the time, I was keen on the whole playlist sharing idea, and sharing tracks with friends, and Spotify is what they were all using and I couldn't convince them otherwise. I always liked its handover feature, which Spotify still doesn't properly have, nor Apple Music. It's a shame they never caught on.

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dweeze puts forth...

Posted November 17, 2015
OH CRAP.
Just moved to Rdio recently and was really enjoying it. It's worked a treat and has an easy, slick interface. I spent the last 3 months building up a fkn choice library, having to manually like, favourite, etc all the bestest bangin choonz. This comes hot on the heels of losing my last streamer (mog) after it got sucked up by Beats Music, who in turn got hoovered up by the iFruitCo, spawning AppleMusic. I woulda bought in to that if not for the sheer SHITE-NESS that is iTunes.
Now, I've been using the Rdio desktop app (in 'doze) and it has no fkn export feature.
Nor did mog, FFS.
FAAAAAARK ME.
Do I really have to give up on streaming and dig out the CD collection?

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Surtac ducks in to say...

Posted November 17, 2015

Never used Rdio.

I did play around with Pandora for a while on the phone after encountering it in our favourite local restaurant, but gave up when I realised what it was doing to my totally inadequate phone data plan.

However, as of last week I now have a shiny new vdsl2 connection at home, with ten times the monthly data allowance. So it might be time to give it another try.

Or should I just try Spotify instead? Any advice gratefully received.

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Thestevoexpress mutters...

Posted November 17, 2015
$30 a month for Rdio? No wonder they went broke!

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beeso mumbles...

Posted November 17, 2015
I've binned Apple Music. Too often I get lag when I press play. Not really good enough.

John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted November 17, 2015
No it's not.

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Therbs is gonna tell you...

Posted November 18, 2015
Been waiting for Apple Music to get its shit together but no. No no no. Rdio was good but Spotify is my go to choonz app. Just be wary of The Balls After Dark Podcast reviews. Those blokes listen to some real crappy crap in amongst the good gear. Mind you it is fun when Beeso makes Dr Y listen to stuff which doesn't have loud, swaggering guitars.

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DarrenBloomfield mumbles...

Posted November 18, 2015
ah, network economies of scale. Love them, hate them. I too invested in the Rdio universe so am stuck. My lifelong task of creating the "every song from the Rebus series of novels" Playlist will have to migrate to Spotify. Not yet sold on Apple Music, but I supple like everything they will (a) eventually dominate (b) eventually get it far more right than wrong.

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Posted November 18, 2015


I think I'm missing out. I only got an Ipod classic last year, about a week before it got discontinued. Still I mostly just put all my CDs on to my PlayStation hard drive and use that. If pressed for music I might log onto YouTube. By the time I do think about it there will probably be only one streaming service a GoogApple hybrid , one world wide system and one company. The lack of competition in the market place is what is actually stuffing up the royalties for songwriters and artists. In the past there were multiple radio stations and TV stations in multiple markets. So a hit song ( or any song for that matter) the licencee would pay a small royalty to the Publisher for playing the song. On high rotation it might be 8 times a day for a few weeks, and then in each market that might mean 4 radio stations and 3 TV stations and pretty much times that by 10 places across Australia, New Zealand etc. So there's competition across markets and diversity in marketing songs.

Now with the advent of apple or google and spotify , you have three licencees , world wide , sucking audience and advertisers into their web. So for a songwriter it means three sources of income set at the royalty rates for the old system. So instead of an artist getting $240 per market or radio station in capital city, you get a songwriter getting $240 per streaming service. Which if you think about it, kinda sucks. A bit like the Windows anti trust litigation 10 years ago Government will need to break up the monopoly power of the big 2 Googpple. Otherwise the only people ever making money will be the shareholders of the Apple and Google, who in turn can set rates, deny competition in the market place and destroy free markets and creative enterprises.

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Aaron mutters...

Posted November 18, 2015
Kind of ironic free markets will be buried by...free market. I thought that was meant to be the commies job.

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Posted November 18, 2015
I'm a spotify junkie. Have been using it for a coupla years now or there-abouts. Ever since I started using it, I've barely even touched my music collection.

The best thing about spotify, and something that was only available in android (might be different now) in the past, was the ability to put tunes into it. I can create a share drive on my computer that has the spotify client, and it will replicate the tunes into my library, which I can place into my different play lists. For the very few tunes that aren't available through spotify, I can include anyway. This is especially good if I want to put something like a 60 minute mix (I'm into dance music) and I just want to listen to it all the way through (for the record, anything by this guy https://soundcloud.com/matzo ).

Spotify is the shiznit IMHO.

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pi mumbles...

Posted November 18, 2015
How's that for a business model? He puts all of his content on the internet for free anyway. Sells the CD's in a traditional way, all of his music is available through spotify, and he just places it up for download by anyone anyway. Sells out any dance club or stadium anyway.

Created a bunch of mix sets, 60 minutes each, and released them on the radio, and then posted them.

https://soundcloud.com/matzo/sets/the-mat-zo-mix

These are the mixes I put into spotify (4 & 5 are where it gets really good.)

Like I said, spotify is the shiznit.

dweeze swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 21, 2015
Bit the bullet and migrated across to spotify. Not bad, not quite as slick an interface as rdio but way more stable than mog ever was. As for AppleiTunesMusic - still COMPLETE ARSE.

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And while I'm on 007

Posted September 7, 2015 into Music by John Birmingham

Alessia Cara should totally be doing the signature track for Spectre.

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon has opinions thus...

Posted September 8, 2015
is that Portishead being sampled in that song?

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Posted September 8, 2015
Reckon so.

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Rhino mutters...

Posted September 9, 2015
Great voice.
But geez, she shoulda just stayed home. Sums up this whiny ass generation in a song.
She was probably triggered because they didn't have a segregated safe space.

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