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Timeless tracks

Posted September 2, 2015 into Music by John Birmingham

I dips me lid to Beeso for this link to a frankly fkn fascinating article at Polygraph by Matt Daniels. He dived deep into Spotify data looking for songs that burned longer than the flare up of a Top 10 hit. As Daniels explains, it was impossible to measure the popularity of older music until the advent of streaming services. "Billboard charts and album sales only tell us about a song’s popularity at the time of its release. But now we have Spotify, a buffet of all of music, new and old. Tracks with fewer plays are fading into obscurity. And those with more plays are remaining in the cultural ether."

What's happening, as the data resolves, is that songs which were inescapable as they smothered the airwaves for a week or two, begin to fade after a month, never to be heard again. Radio stations don't program them. You don't hear them pounding from the car next to you at the stop light. They disappear from clubs and shopping malls.

Other songs, which might not have burned so bright at first, keep burning. Journey's Don’t Stop Believin’ is the most-played 1980's song on Spotify. Daniels points out that it barely charted on release. In 1991 there were 41 songs more popular than Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit. In the years since, as Spotify's subscribers have crafted their own meta-playlist, Cobain has buried them all.

Daniels looks at more recent years to tease out emerging trends, finding two tracks that made little impact in 2013, but which have stealthily crept up on 2015:

Lana Del Ray’s Young and Beautiful and Arctic Monkey’s Do I Wanna Know look like modern equivalents of [Etta James 1961 release] At Last: little commercial success on its release, but steady growth over time. Today in 2015, both tracks are at parity with Royals and Get Lucky, and you’d probably never guess it.

What's still popular from different periods in history is almost never the obvious choice. Accolades, Grammys, and cultural dominance mean nothing to future generations.

The artists who have cult-followings and underground appeal: it’s a signal for some undefined musical quality that’s impossible for a hit song to replicate. Perhaps it means that they are culturally ahead of their time. Or perhaps generations will feel obligated to share it, for fear of it fading.

It's a truly interesting bit of data work. Check it out.

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Ghoulie asserts...

Posted September 2, 2015
There is a Spotify playlist of some of these songs made by Jason Kottke here:

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Dave W asserts...

Posted September 2, 2015
OT- I see you've been name-checked in the review and have given a tip o' the hat on the cover of the book:

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dweeze mutters...

Posted September 2, 2015
Yeh, interesting analysis. The most poignant line for me is: "When we examine pop hits, popularity is so much more than song quality." After spending the best part of a decade within the belly of the beast, it is blindingly apparent to me that the music business is all about business and little to do with music. Art does not always make the best product and, in these throwaway times, the more disposable the product, the quicker the next unit is on (and then off) the shelves.
Rock on Beethoven...

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Blake asserts...

Posted September 2, 2015
"Some of my friends were deeply disturbed by what's been lost in time (e.g., Pearl Jam)"<font color="#232323" face="merriweather, serif">For some reason i never look for Pearl Jam on spotify. But Ten and a couple of </font>official Aussie<font color="#232323" face="merriweather, serif"> bootlegs live in reasonably high rotation on my mp3 player and on the rare occasion i stray from the J's in the car MMM is reliably. </font><font color="#232323" face="merriweather, serif">I wonder if that's the problem, its Dad music... i was pretty young in 1994 but i recall that by ~2003 my neighbours father was a big fan.</font><font color="#232323" face="merriweather, serif">
</font><font color="#232323" face="merriweather, serif">I wonder how much the playlists contribute to popularity. Earlier in the year i was diggin' the 60's vibe whilst renovating (It started with Cream, White Room). Much of the lists i turned to seemed to have a limited selection - which seems to be overly represented in the data.</font><font color="#232323" face="merriweather, serif">
</font><font color="#232323" face="merriweather, serif">Interesting though that Bob Marley doesn't appear in their lists at all. Africa and Asia must not have found spotify yet.</font><font color="#232323" face="merriweather, serif">
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Barnesm has opinions thus...

Posted September 2, 2015
<font color="#333333">I am listening to Lana Del Ray's Young & Beautiful at the moment, though I prefer Ultraviolence.</font><font color="#333333"> </font>

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Barnesm mutters...

Posted September 2, 2015
Does the font colour stuff appear even when I don't cut and paste?

Barnesm would have you know...

Posted September 2, 2015
Clearly not

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Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted September 5, 2015
actually cut and paste from your blog above.

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Rob asserts...

Posted September 3, 2015
Last week I was tossing up between buying a CD imported via Amazon for $30 or buying it off google play. In the end Google won at $12 and instant gratification. So I downloaded it to my phone and it started playing, no headphones in... a loud 'Die Fucker' from ProPain was heard clear across the office (how loud are HTC phones? Very is the answer, very) . Anyways it good to see a tech article about music streaming talk about the music as opposed to the technology or politics or commerce. Nirvana weren't the best band of that generation, I reckon it was Mudhoney and Pop Will Eat Itself.

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon mutters...

Posted September 3, 2015
Interesting. But i feel like there is an intuitive leap missing. Can't put my finger on it except for "..have not even considered the role of covers, samples, and movie soundtracks, etc. - a future project to undertake.."

It's almost like people using spotify listen to MMM (or insert your run of the mill commercial radio station here) and go "i want to listen to that without the inane banter and all those bloody ads". Can you profile people who use spotify the most? Or the ones that contribute to those massive tallies?
(i don't use it) but assuming it is used by a bloody wide range of people across the (western) world. It just seems like a lot of the songs they have listed there are ones i'd choose not to listen to unless i was stuck on a desert island and only had those to listen to. Although you can't argue against 43million plays for one song can you? can you?

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Dave W asserts...

Posted September 3, 2015
Robert M. Pirsig, in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, talked about quality and what it is, how is it identified and who can identify it. His basic conclusion (spoiler alert) is that it's intangible and it doesn't take experts to know if something has quality or not.
In this situation, we can identify the quality of music, even without music degrees or a career in the music industry, through the benefit of time.
I agree with Rob re Nirvana, extending his list with Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam. Sheeeeet, Smells Like Teen Spirit wasn't even Nirvana's best song (for my money, Lithium).

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Rhino asserts...

Posted September 3, 2015
Fucking hipsters.

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GhostSwirv swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted September 3, 2015

Another factor to consider in this is the use of popular music in movie soundtracks.

I myself prefer original scores to a lot of the dross that's been released over the years.

However many of our favourite movies from different eras have compilation soundtracks of songs that were chosen not for their Top 10 quality but because they are somehow associated with the era that the story is set in and the emotions of the characters dealing with the world they find themselves in.

These then become manufactured memories, constructed by Music Supervisors, and promoted by distribution companies.

As much as I love Burton's first BATMAN, Danny Eflman's spectacular score was under-promoted by Warner Bros in favour of Prince's soundtrack as he was a star they had in their stable.

Rob is gonna tell you...

Posted September 3, 2015

The Dredd soundtrack is superb. and can vibrate my house down. My wife reckons it sounds like a spaceship landing every time I play it when she's out, and arrives home. (Klipsch speaker set up :) )

Sudragon ducks in to say...

Posted September 6, 2015
Dials that go to eleven?

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Balls After Dark. Ep 15

Posted August 20, 2015 into Music by John Birmingham

In which Beeso and the Doc consider AC/DC's Live album.

I am #ashaned to admit it but I didnt even know this album existed. Some days I forget anything besdies Back in Black exists. So I shall plate this bad boy up at Apple Music before I listen to the expert commentary.

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beeso would have you know...

Posted August 21, 2015
I'm starting to doubt whether you were really born in Ipswich.

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Dave W puts forth...

Posted August 21, 2015
I was born in Wagga and I owned this album. There, I've said it. I'm not proud, but I've said it.

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Puff asserts...

Posted August 21, 2015
Everyone has one of those life defining albums and this one is mine. I can still remember the first time I heard, I was about 12 and my best friends elder sister put it on and my taste in music changed forever. The version of Bonny on there still makes me hair stand on end and it was one of the first songs I ever learnt to play on guitar.

One of the great live albums

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dweeze mutters...

Posted August 21, 2015
Like Beeso & the Dr (surely there's a JJJ show in there) opine - these guys were always better live and this album captures that. Back in the early 90s, I was a career roadie (oxymoron or just plain moron???) and worked on an ACDC show at the Tennis Centre Melb. Yeh, they duly rocked. Same week, I worked with a covers band, Back In Black, and I reckon they did it even better than the real thing. Perhaps it was the in-your-face pub thing, perhaps it was the slo-blo 6" nail that we put in the fuse box so that we could run 50000W of PA in a tiny pub with 200 punters. Dunno...but it kicked rectum.

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Trashman swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 22, 2015
I was in the crowd at Donnington!

Motley Crue
The Black Crowes

What a line up - what a day!

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Trashman asserts...

Posted August 22, 2015
Forgot to include this:

Some pictures, setlists, etc.

Nearly 25 years ago - I am officially old now.

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BigWillieStyle puts forth...

Posted August 23, 2015
I got this album when it came out in '92. One of the better live albums I've ever heard, and "Highway to Hell" in particular is a fucking ball-tearer. Excellent version of "Moneytalks" as well. Only downside is, you can't understand a word Brian Johnson says when he's interacting with the crowd/s in between tracks. I think you can make out, "Och the noo, lassie, do ye fackle mae fanny?" at one point.

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Lobes ducks in to say...

Posted August 23, 2015
What is with the hashtag #ashaned ?
Is that some portmanteau of ashamed and Shane Warne?
ie; you're completely tasteless but you don't care

w from brisbane mumbles...

Posted August 24, 2015
I thought it was a #typo.

John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted August 25, 2015
Nope, it is a legendary twitter hashtag. Lobes figured it out.

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Balls! After Dark, EP 14

Posted August 5, 2015 into Music by John Birmingham

Beeso and the Doc talk Metallica for toddlers, old school music theft, their famous Twitter stalkers and classic albums from terrible bands.

It's all good.

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Apple Music is complex, opaque, inconsistent and buggy. But I don't hate it

Posted August 4, 2015 into Music by John Birmingham

I'm feeling left out. Apple Music hasn't deleted any of my songs or albums, and the only duplicates I can find in my library were already there – created by an app called Boom. (It's a great audio app which does something to your sound files to make the crappy little speakers on your laptop, or even your desktop, sound way more awesome. Unfortunately it creates amplified copies of the songs to do this. Hence the duplicates all the way through my library).

It's been about a month since the blessed fruit company's streaming music service launched and most of the coverage has been lukewarm at best. Taylor Swift famously scolded them for expecting musicians to cover the cost of the three-month long 'free' trial period. Long-time Apple observers like Marco Arment, John Gruber and The Loop's Jim Dalrymple have all aired their issues. Dalrymple's involved an embarrassing misadventure in which he thought Apple had deleted about four and a half thousand songs from his library, potentially forcing him to buy them all over again. That turned out not to be the case, leading to the aforementioned embarrassment when Dalrymple had to clarify a pretty gnarly blog post on the matter, and cut out a big chunk of a podcast with Gruber.

Initial reports from the other streaming services, mostly meaning Spotify, seem to indicate Apple Music hasn't landed any crippling blows yet. In fact it's only effect so far might be to grow the streaming market.

I've been using it for a month, after subscribing to Rdio for nearly a year. I still have my Rdio subscription, a family plan costing a little more than $20 a month, but I haven't used the app since I got Apple Music. This isn't because Apple Music is a superior service – in many ways it's really not – but rather speaks to the inertia of having a bunch of accounts already set up and configured to everyone's personal taste. You can transfer your playlists from Spotify and Rdio to Apple, but it's not simple or free to do so.

One popular method involves buying an app like the prosaically named Move to Apple Music 1.1 For five bucks it will move most of your music across, but it's not perfect and if, like me, you don't like giving login details to outsiders, you're shit out of luck.

I moved my two most played workout lists over by hand. It took half an hour and cured me of any enthusiasm to repeat the process with my other playlists, such as ‘Writing’ which has hundreds of jazz and blues tracks carefully selected to fade into the background while I tap away.

So, apart from not paying their suppliers, i.e. musicians, and then losing Jim Dalrymple's Ozzy Osbourne collection (since recovered) how is Apple Music shaping up? I can only answer for myself. I use it every day, and I find myself impressed by the power of the service, and frustrated by the experience of using it. The user interface, especially on the desktop, is terrible. Complex, opaque, inconsistent and buggy. The exact opposite of “It just works".

This is partly because Jimmy and Dre are trying to pack so much into the service, but mostly because they've built it atop the layered ruins of iTunes. It’s a bit like building your shiny new mall atop a haunted housing development, which buried an accursed graveyard, that replaced a city of the damned, which sank its foundations into a Hell Dimension. iTunes is not just a music library it is a massively complicated device and content management system that has grown wild and achieved a malign sentience over the years. It is inevitable that Cupertino will eventually split off Apple Music as a pure standalone app, but untangling the Gordian knot of iTunes will probably take a couple of years re-engineering. Until then, suck up the pain.

Apple Music on iOS is simpler, or perhaps just easier, than its OS X counterpart. Mostly because it can live free as a separate application. The iPhone app in particular is less confused and confusing than its companion apps. It is still diabolically complicated, but not as intentionally malevolent. The language of multitouch speaks more fluently to the interface than Yosemite’s point and click. You can already see where Force Touch will fit in, possibly as soon as iOS 9 is released in September or October. For instance, pressing and holding your finger on a suggested playlist or album in the For You section brings up a series of options such as adding it to your library, making the selection available off-line (by downloading it to your device) or even telling Apple you hate this stupid choice and you never want to see it again. (Seriously, Apple, stop trying to make Rhianna happen to me). There are, however, so many options that sub menus exist under the main menu. This is a blindingly obvious use case for Force Touch.

Putting aside the complexity of the interface, there are certain simple actions which appear to be universally available to other streaming apps, which simply don't exist in Apple Music. In Rdio, for instance, whenever you see an artist's name, or an album, or a song, you click on it and go straight to the relevant track or page. This is not so in Apple Music. I'm not always sure what happens with Apple Music. And I say that having used it heavily for a month. The UI is just not intuitive. Or logical. Or even coherent. Often this seems to be a result of an inability to say no.

Apple still boasts that for every Yes there are 1000 No's. While it might be true in hardware design, and even in other software and service offerings – the redesigned Photos springs to mind – the same discipline has not been applied to music. Example? You can add a song to "Up Next" or you can mark a song or album to "Play Next". Two very similar instructions with two very different outcomes. I have learned to avoid hitting Play Next because it deletes everything in my Up Next list. One slip of the finger and hundreds of songs in a stack can disappear. This has made me sad more than once. By way of contrast, Rdio's Play Later option is less powerful but more functional. Programming my set list for the work day was always a pleasure with Rdio. On Apple Music it feels like a gamble.

And yet I'm still using Apple Music. Why? Because for all of the failures of design and execution, the intent and the vision behind it are still great. When it workds as intended, it's brilliant. As much as I came to love Rdio, it rarely surprised me. The delight that I felt in using it was the glutton's happiness at beholding the vast banquet table before him. More often than not, however, I would simply pile my plate high with the same toasted cheese sandwiches I had yesterday. Rdio, and I presume Spotify and the other streamers, do attempt to introduce their listeners to new music, but I never much liked the picks. What new music I did find, I found for myself.

One thing Apple is very good at, is telling you what you are going to like. (And by God you'd better like it, or else you’re gonna find out why Eddie Cue’s nickname is Da Cueball). In the month I've been using this complex, opaque, inconsistent and buggy service it has delivered more surprising and delightful new music discovery than a year on Rdio. I enjoy the way it surfaces playlists depending on the time of day. Workout choices in the morning. Driving lists in peak hour. Cocktail tunes at sundown. I find myself dipping into Beats 1, the radio station, whenever I have a couple of minutes to spare. I sometimes hate what’s playing, but when I don’t, I might just love it with the same intensity and will always add the track to my library. (Again, a process which is not simple or easy. *Shakes head*). The curated playlists, thousands of them, with more being added every day, are often close to perfect.

I have even bought more music after finding one or two artists whose work I enjoyed so much I felt obliged to pay for it. (And one or two artists whose albums were available to stream one day, but not the next – a common enough occurrence across all the streaming services.)

Of course, I bought those albums on iTunes. The UI for gving Apple money works as well as it ever did.

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Lobes mutters...

Posted August 4, 2015
Apple Rant Incoming---

OK late to the party here. Ive just started using iTunes to purchase music because I really feel its the right thing to do and support artists who give me such enjoyment. BUT just today I was bewildered when 39 out of 42 tracks on my latest album were not available to my iphone offline. Instead I had these little cloud symbols next to them that apparently signifies the tracks are in the cloud and must be downloaded to be played. This is not bloody good enough. I already paid to purchase them, paid for the bandwidth to download them and now I am being slugged a THIRD time just to listen to them on a phone where they've already been installed. This costs me about 5-10 cents per song. I am being punished for doing the right thing. The rational thing to do here would be download illegal copies that dont vanish from my phone to reppear in the cloud and can be used, transferred and played on any device I choose. Sheer idiocy from iTunes you are driving away someone trying to do the right thing.


John Birmingham swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 4, 2015
Wait? You've already downloaded them? But they're back in the cloud?

John Birmingham mutters...

Posted August 4, 2015
Oh, and you need to turn off iTunes Match.

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Lobes asserts...

Posted August 4, 2015
Yes thats what appears to have happened.

Someone else mentioned Match when I had a big cry on FB about this. Will have to look into that (whatever it is)

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted August 4, 2015
If you turn on Match, the iDeathStar looks at all the music in your library, including everything you stole, and 'matches' it from the iTunes library servers, replacing shitty MP3s sucked off the torrentz, with smooth, creamy, street legal versions from the original publishers. You can then stream the music over the net when you want it, saving storage space on the device. But of course, if your reception is crap, or your data allowance minimal and your provider charges like a mad bull for overage, it's a very bad idea.Also, sometimes Match just deletes your library and forces you to use Match. Turn it off.

Lobes ducks in to say...

Posted August 5, 2015
Thanks for the explanation JB. I shall dive into my apple ecosystem and try to extinguish this Match before my library goes up like Alexandria.

This is an important lesson in reading the EULA which I will still probably never do.

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Surtac ducks in to say...

Posted August 4, 2015

Dunno about Apple Music, but I have to agree that recent versions of iTunes are iCrap.

Just last night I was trying to pull some purchased tunes down to my desktop,, when iTunes complained I needed to authorise this computer, but then wouldn't let me do it because it thought there were already 5 machines authorised. Ok, it might be true but 2 or 3 of those machines are now dead, kaput, non-existent landfill machines.

And my only option is to de-authorise all machines from the account and add the extant machines back in. This is madness.

It doesn't care about the 4 ipads and 5 or 6 ipods in use in the house, but Ghu forbid I try to use more than 5 computers.

Rob mumbles...

Posted August 5, 2015
with google music, you just buy the album and download it as a zip file and put in your library. And if you're me, those 320kps files just go on your PlayStation and ipod.

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Blarkon is gonna tell you...

Posted August 4, 2015
Sort of disappointed that the "Boom" app didn't alter your entire collection into covers of your existing collection by Boom Crash Opera.

John Birmingham swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 4, 2015
MacRumors says that's totes gonna be a feature in El Cap.

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MickH swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 4, 2015
I love the picture of Dave with his Ipod thingy

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MickH puts forth...

Posted August 4, 2015
I don't bother with all that.Every single piece of music i want to listen to is available for free on Youtube

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HAVOCK21 is gonna tell you...

Posted August 4, 2015
Don't fkn start me on IFKN MOONES! MUNTERS! goes, no swear words. I just upgraded all three phones for the two boys and Mrs H to IP 6's and Mrs H got the 6 S ....DONT ASK WHY!
Anywho. That required back up and that in turn required we UPDATE the ITUBNES on the puters and that req EVERYBODY to have log in and then we needed to DOWNLOAD everything back and how well might one ask diod all that fare. Well It still gets a we bit better, because!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I happen to still be running a very well oiled and operating perfectly well IPHONE 3S and its a cracker. BUT GUESS WHAT! I need to do the upgrade. Several attemps tlater and thats also the other issue I might add. When apples ITUNES we are miunters department on we shall send you an e/mail says that! shopuld happen inside of the FKN YEAR YA CLUSTER FKS! I'M STILL FKN WAITING ON MY {ASSWORD E?MAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So...where were we...thats right!..duplicates, ever changing software, never ending down lkoads and up dates and OH.....BTW if you run WIn 8. whatever the fk it is ya can then run the current version of POX TUNES...if NOT ya fkd...KNO WHAT THAT COIST ME...A NEW FKN LAPTOP FFSAKES!....
FKRS. Computer p[rogtramming well stick it in ya kester withoiur fkn lube bastards!!!!!!!

Rhino would have you know...

Posted August 5, 2015
3S. <snort>. Luddite.

John Birmingham mutters...

Posted August 5, 2015
What the horned one said. Let us review. Mrs H chose the 6+ because she is a woman of refinement and acumen, and being a lady of some elegance she never leaves home without a properly accessorised bag, into which she can now place a sizeable but light and extremely powerful computer. I may have to talk to her about the advantages of teaming the Plus with an Apple Watch. Yes. Yes I may. You, on the other hand, are using a six year old phone which you have never backed up. And I suspect you get Mrs H to print out your email which, in this instance, has been eaten by a goat.

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Rhino reckons...

Posted August 5, 2015
Sorry, off topic, but sorta', kinda' in the same vein ... reaching out with Seppo power.
Murica, Fuck Yeah!

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted August 5, 2015
B-52's! How quaint. Who was the squadron leader? Jimmy Stewart? (The actor, Jimmy Stewart, an airforce Brigadier General in real life, flew B-52s towards the end of his military career. That plane from the 1950's seems so quaint to me. I imagine it has been updated. As is obvious, I know more about old movies and old movie stars than I know about modern military matters.)

Rhino ducks in to say...

Posted August 6, 2015
Quaint works ... especially when it can deliver a payload that size.
Kinda' like me.

Albion Love Den swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 6, 2015
On the off-topic, I got to finally see the 52 up close for the first time this year. And I was bitterly disappointed by how bloody small it was! And right at that moment of deflation, I got an acute insight into how all of my sexual partners have ever felt...

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damian mutters...

Posted August 5, 2015
Different experience for me. Mine basically consisted of an incident when I needed to play Pretty Paracetamol by Fischer-Z to someone on my phone (a 6+), shortly after the iOS 8.3 upgrade. First, I had trouble finding the Music icon because of the changed colours (though I admit these are pretty). Then on launching, it started asking me to sign in to something or create an account - not what I expected since, as Lobes noted, when you have music physically on your device, you expect it still to be there. So a quick trip to Settings->Music and flipping "Show Apple Music" to off, and frankly good -ing riddance.
I'm not against streaming services, but to me they are the radio to the milk carton full of tapes that lives on my phone (and on the 10-year-old iPod in the console box in my car).

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beeso mumbles...

Posted August 5, 2015
A few things. I'll give Apple music a year to spin it out of iTunes and turn it into a decent app. Apples new apps are rarely kick ass out of the gate, but apple music on the mac is a giant pain in the arse. Doesn't mean it will be forever.
I've spent almost all my music listening time in spotify the last 18 months. I've never listened to more music i've never heard before and i ran 2 live music venues where a large part of my job was listening to demos. Granted part of that is the new music thing we do for the Balls After Dark but spotify has also pushed me to a lot of older music i'd never run across. And probably never would have run across if i'd had to shell out cash on a speculation purchase.

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Keith would have you know...

Posted August 5, 2015
Really liking Spotify's new Discover playlists. While Spotify's idea of similar artists has always been dubious, these new playlists are a much better mix of lesser known album tracks from artists I already like and stuff from people I've never heard of that are actually good. You get a new one each week and haven't had to skip a track in the first 3 I've listened to.
Worth a go if you've been using it for long enough for it to learn a bit about you.

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Rob would have you know...

Posted August 5, 2015
Music is so personal to me and I like finding new bands by using web connections via band websites, The spotifys of the world just generally scare me. Plus I still mostly like getting CDs. I buy the MP3s when its older albums I can't find in physical formats or I just want it now. But why oh why can't I just drag and drop files to the ipod classic? why god why?

( i also suggest that everyone should check out the White Mandigos, for awesome rap/punk rock with a narrative bent)

Lulu mutters...

Posted August 5, 2015
OT, but - why oh why, did I lose my iPod Classic? (rhetorical question) And which iDevice is the most suitable replacement? (not rhetorical)

Rob puts forth...

Posted August 5, 2015
Maybe a Fiio x5?

Albion Love Den would have you know...

Posted August 6, 2015
My 2 classics recently died, so I forked over for the Touch, adding the yearly Match subscription to compensate for the miserly 128GB.

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Surtac ducks in to say...

Posted August 5, 2015

"But why oh why can't I just drag and drop files to the ipod classic? why god why?"

Amen, brother.

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HAVOCK21 mutters...

Posted August 5, 2015
The muppets here do NOT get classic equipment here at all...AT FKN ALL!!!!!!!

w from brisbane mutters...

Posted August 5, 2015
Damn right HAVOCK! Those who mock old classics should seriously be puzzled why their partners stay with them. Isn't the enduring, raffish, Clooneyesque charm of all us cheeseburgers is that we are old classics.

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dweeze reckons...

Posted August 5, 2015
Well, I was reading through the moans that y'all have 'pined and laughing out loud at the way that you iFruitFanbois were trying to justify a bucket of poo. Yeh, me with my superior sticky-taped together Winbloze box and 10 year old clamshell phone.
I've had a very acceptable setup going for the last 2-3 years. Out here in the sticks we have the option of Tel$tra, Tel$tra or Tel$tra for our comms. Too far from exchange for ADSL, satellite options locally are little better than dialup and the string between the cans keeps getting wet. So our mate$ upgrade the local tower enabling 3G wireless - cool, I now have phone coverage. Wireless modem gives the power of internettage - yay. Best available plan is 15Gig downloads for, wait for it, a measly $105pcm. Subtract $25 for discounts and it's a snip @ $80pcm - you city folks dunno what you are missing out on!
Next up they add streaming service UNMETERED. Holy crap Batman, 7 bucks a month - sign me up now. Some years go by while I pillage bandwidth and stream 30+GB of toons every month on my 15GB plan. Hellsyeah. Revisit all my old faves, check out a few on the must listen list and use the power of mog recommendations to check out about 50 bazillion bands / albums / tracks that I should have known about but didn't. Teh awesome personified. Killer playlists assembled.

On Saturday past, the biatches announce the cancellation of mog on Tel$tra with NO replacement. Today, I get the regular call from a Tel$tra shlepp - "can we upgrade your plan sir?". I tells em to sit down and hang on cos there's a spray a-coming (actually, I was polite but firm cos I know that the schlepresentative don't make no policy and it aint their faut that they don't know what the brass aint told em yet). Whilst we speak, the autobot sends announcement of Apple Music via Tel$tra. Woot, I think. I ask the rep, who stays befuddled and promises to get back tomorrow with some detailed info, what gives?
Mebbe I'll finally have to join Jobsy's iUniverse just to have some 'zak whilst I work. It'd better bloody be unmetered ... or I may get all postal on the nearest Tel$hop.

BTW, cannot export mog faves / playlists.
Grrrrrr, where's my 12 gauge??

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted August 5, 2015
Totes stealing 'schlepresentative'.

Rhino reckons...

Posted August 6, 2015
You people need to get some technology. I know we Seppos lag behind Europe and (especially) N. Korea on bandwidth and such ... but you guys are really behind the curve.

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 6, 2015
Hey Rhino, guess what... Our immediate previous Feds had just the plan to do this. However we elected the current lot partly on an election promise to scrap this plan and weld us firmly to mid-90s expectations for the technology infrastructure. Telcos here exploit monopoly status when they can, as you might expect, but unfortunately any means to address this falls against the ideological constraints of conservatives, and is therefore scrapped whenever they are elected.

Rhino puts forth...

Posted August 6, 2015
Hmmmm, a shame you don't have any muskets around for one of those pesky revolution things. But your government took care of that too.

Dirk swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 7, 2015
To quote our beloved prophet Havock: R U FKN Serious? here in Holland you get 50 mbit up /50 mbit downstream for € 55,- a month Decent ADSL will set you back a € 30 a month. do the math for Au$

How far from the nearest reservation with decent speed are you? Less then 60 miles? You (as a community) may wanna consider investing in a pair of these

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Posted August 6, 2015
HEY!!!...Can anybody tell me how a 777 ( MH370) jumbo hits the water FKN GENTLY!... cos I dont think BIG ARSE FKN JETS hit the water gently. Like this dick head suggests.
OT JB, but I thought...what a dick some fkn news papers are with their stupid fkn headlines!

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BALLS After Dark. Ep 13 "I dug a hole, Dad."

Posted July 30, 2015 into Music by John Birmingham

The music episode is live: ... In which Beeso and the Doc talk 80s hiphop, 90s electronica and noughties disco-grunge, great Amiga games music, off-label Stones ripoffs, how sausages are made, the Four Kinsman's version of Cop Killa, Fucking Off For Ten Years Album Syndrome, and Teenage Protracker Fury.

Warning, there is vaseline and the Doc sings.

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Darth Greybeard reckons...

Posted July 30, 2015
Podcasts are like sausages. It is better not to see them being made.

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Rhino ducks in to say...

Posted July 31, 2015
Listening to the podcast. If this took place in the US Beeso and Doc would be castrated and crucified for cultural appropriation and racism for having the temerity to discuss Hip Hop.

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One song playlist

Posted June 9, 2015 into Music by John Birmingham

I asked Twitter to give me one song they put on a playlist if that playlist was only one song long.

Here is that list. It'll take hours to add to Rdio or Spotify but I'll do it as a side project over the next few weeks.


Guided By Voices - Choking Tara
The Left Bank -Walk Away Rene
Turin Breaks - Painkiller
Foo Fighters - Everlong
Public Image Ltd - Rise
Jimi Hendrix - Voodoo Chili
Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel - Make me smile,
Concrete Blonde - Tomorrow Wendy
Tom Waits - Closing Time
Dead Letter Circus - I am
Assemblage 23 - Awake
Talking Heads - This Must Be The Place
Custard - Anatomically Correct
Birds of Tokyo - Anchor
Lou Reed - Romeo Had Juliette
Eddie Vedder - Sleepless Nights
Max Q - Way of the World
Bowie - Modern Love
The Who - Wont Get Fooled Again
Hit Record - You’re Not the Only One.
Nick Cave - The Ship Song
KD Lang - Hallelujah
KLF - Justified and Ancient
The Band - The Weight
The Doors - LA Woman
Leningrad Cowboys and Russian Army Choir - Knocking on Heaven’s Door
LCD Sound System - All My Friends
Katrina and the Waves - Walking on Sunshine
Alt J - Left Hand Free
Bobby Womack - Across 110th Street
Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
Lacuna Coil - Losing My Religion
You Am I - Berlin Chair
Dana Lyons - Cows With Guns.
Tool - Vicarious
The Wonderstuff - Maybe
Veruca Salt - One Last Time
Bruce Springsteen - Badlands
Goanna - Solid Rock
Stranglers - Always the Sun
Bird Feeder - Jurassic Park Theme (played 1000% slower)
Buzzcocks - Oh Shit
The Verses - Want Everything
Lana del Rey - Videogames
Johnny Moped - Darling Let's Have Another Baby
The Cows - Shipboard
Mekons - Hard to Be Human
The Rolling Stones - Can’t Always Get What You Want
Spy vs Spy - Clear Skies Ahead
Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill.
Bowie - Suffragette City
The Birthday Party - Release the Bats, ( live version)
The Saints - Stranded
The Stranglers - Golden Brown
Billie Holliday - Gloomy Sunday
Led Zep - Whole Lotta Love (Live 23 mins)
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Joan Osborne - What Becomes of the Brokenhearted
Bruce Springsteen - Thunder Road
Prince - Raspberry Beret
Ween - Pushin Little Daisies
Grace Slick - White Rabbit
Duck Sauce - Time waits for no one
Marianne Faithful - Why'd you do it?
Triffids - Wide Open Road
Jon and Vangelis - I'll Find My Way Home
Placebo - Loud Like Love
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - Mary Jane's Last Dance
Falling Joys - Lock it
Daft Punk - Around the World
Rule 34 - Save You
Tim Buckley - Sweet Surrender
Midnight Oil - The Power and the Passion
Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights
Pixies - Debaser
The Beatles - Eleanor Rigby
New Order - Ceremony
Barenaked Ladies - Some fantastic
Dire Straits - Tunnel of Love
Arctic Monkeys - RU Mine
David Bromberg - New Lee Highway Blues
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Deanna
Michael franti and Spearhead - Oh my god
L7 - Pretend We're Dead
Iggy Pop - The Passenger
Primal Scream - Come Together
Mi-Sex - Computer Games
Rolling Stones (feat Eric Clapton - Brown Sugar (re-release)
The Boys Next Door - Shivers
Lene Lovich - Lucky Number
Louis Armstrong - Aunt Hagar's Blues
Desmond Dekker and the Aces - 007 (Shanty Town)
Blind Melon - Soup
Janis Joplin - Little Girl Blue
The Saints - Just Like Fire Would
Barenaked Ladies - Odds Are
Johnny Cash - Hurt
Journey - Separate Ways
Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb
Regurgitator - Track 1
Waterboys - Whole of the Moon
The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony
The Whitlams - I Will Not Go Quietly
The Saints - Know your Product
Radiohead - Street Spirit
Anaal Nathrakh - Forging Towards The Sunset
Powderfinger - Pick You Up
Divinyls - Boys in Town
Super Furry Animals - The Man Don't Give A Fuck
Government Mule - Beautifully Broken
Son House - Death Letter
Pixies - Where is My Mind
The Beau Brummels - Laugh Laugh
Bowie and Mercury - Pressure
Bill Withers - Harlem
Queens of the stoneage - God is on the radio.
The Clash - Rock the Casbah
Billy Bragg - Levi Stubbs’ Tears
Fontella Bass - Rescue Me
AC/DC - Back in Black
Foo Fighters - Low
Laughing Clowns - Eternally Yours
Metallica - Orion
Black Sabbath - Warpigs
Robert Forster - Let your light in, Babe
Soundgarden - Black hole sun

The Radiators - Gimme Head

The Doors - LA Woman
Nirvana - Come as you are
Bauhaus - Dark Entries
The Mountain Goats - This Year
Louis Armstrong - A Kiss To Build a Dream on

Frank Turner - Love, Ire and Song

Helen Perris - Dancing Around the Subject

Pulp - Common People

Richard Thompson - Wall of Death

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Brother PorkChop mutters...

Posted June 9, 2015
Well JB, at least Lana is on it....

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon ducks in to say...

Posted June 9, 2015
typo for Jimi: Voodoo Chile not chilli.
I am glad to see that the rest of the 10,000 have good taste. Even if mine didn't make the cut.

John Birmingham is gonna tell you...

Posted June 9, 2015
What was yours?

FormerlyKnownAsSimon would have you know...

Posted June 9, 2015
i broke the rules and couldn't decide between Bob Dylan One more cup of coffee and Led Zep No Qtr. In fact No Qtr comes no1 on my own mixtape i made way back when. Quite a few of these songs are on it too.

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted June 9, 2015
Ah, that's why then. Only one song on the one song playlist

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Nocturnalist puts forth...

Posted June 9, 2015
"Where is My Mind" seems to be in there twice.

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted June 9, 2015
Not any more.

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SZF asserts...

Posted June 9, 2015
Not being on the Twitterverse I missed the boat, but there's some damn fine stuff in this list. (And a dab of drek of course, each to their own)
Looks like I'm saving my suggestions for #2ndSongPlaylist. :)

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DNABeast asserts...

Posted June 9, 2015
So glad to see 2 BNL songs in there.

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insomniac has opinions thus...

Posted June 9, 2015
I can't just choose one. Bruce's Thunder Road would be a contender. ms insomniac would go for Bruce's Jungleland for sure. Other noteworthy examples would be Airborne Toxic Event's Timeless and Peter Gabriel's The Book of Love, but in the end I think I'd have to go with some Freddy, probably Somebody to Love, closely followed by many others.

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Tara asserts...

Posted June 9, 2015
That is a damn fine list - my own song contribution is on there, but a lot of the rest of my playlist appears as well.

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dweeze ducks in to say...

Posted June 9, 2015
Apart from the odd one out (Anaal Nakrath - I do hope that you know what you are in for there!), it reads like 90s JJJ crossed with GOLD FM. Some choice ones, much ewwwwwwww.Yeh, each to their own...
If I were a twitterer, I'd have sent you Sleepy Time Gorrilla Museum's "Fornicary", but I'm not, so you'll have to go with out my extensive list of 'good' music.

Mog asserts...

Posted June 10, 2015
Clearly the Anaal Nathrakh track is the jewel in the playlist crown...

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Bangar reckons...

Posted June 9, 2015
Of course Tomorrow Wendy could be the Andy Prieboy original with Johnette on back up vocals. Of the two I can't decide which I prefer, or maybe I should pick Concrete Blonde's live version.

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Carole mumbles...

Posted June 9, 2015
avalanches since i left you

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted June 9, 2015
I am actually quite pleased about the large number of songs I recognize. It means I'm still hip and with it.

Perhaps Timbuk3's Just Another Movie and/or Concrete Blond's Everybody Knows should be included in that list.

Bangar asserts...

Posted June 9, 2015
The Blonde really know how to do a cover version.

Spanner asserts...

Posted June 9, 2015
Hahahaha. Still with it nah not so much this list is pure Gen-X nostalgia. It's still freaking awesome but new and hip it ain't.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted June 10, 2015
Gen-X? I'm a Boomer, mate. I have no Gen-X nostalgia. I yearn for the days of the post WWII American Empire at its height - not the decadent slacker culture with delusions of entitlement that drifted along with its collapse.

As for "new" - admittedly not.
As for "hip and happening" - apparently so.

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Lobes ducks in to say...

Posted June 9, 2015
Taylor Swift didnt make this one either

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shep is gonna tell you...

Posted June 9, 2015
You could try this service JB, imports spotify playlists from a copy/paste. I haven't used it, but a quick trial of the first 10 tracks here worked with no issue

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yankeedog mutters...

Posted June 9, 2015
Johnny Cash's 'Hurt' v. Nine Inch Nails' 'Hurt-The Man In Black wins that one every time.

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Posted June 9, 2015
Especially the video. It tears you up inside. Just rips away.

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KT mumbles...

Posted June 9, 2015
Damn, I missed this on Twitter. Great list! My contribution would have been "I've Got A Plan" by My Friend The Chocolate Cake.

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GhostSwirv would have you know...

Posted June 9, 2015

I too missed das boot - quite partial to ELO's The Whale from Out of the Blue.

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TJ ducks in to say...

Posted June 10, 2015
John Birmingham typed the name of my band. Today is a damn good day.

Also, loving that Barenaked Ladies made the list twice. JB fans have taste!

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Maddoug is gonna tell you...

Posted June 10, 2015
What, no Rammstein? Tsk tsk.

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Peter Bradley ducks in to say...

Posted June 10, 2015
Interesting to look at the artists that made the list twice or more. Bare Naked Ladies, Nick Cave, Ed Kuepper, Kim Deal, Louis Armstrong, David Bowie. I don't know what it means but all are favorites.

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MickH puts forth...

Posted June 10, 2015
windmills of your mind - Sting

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Posted June 10, 2015
Buy me a pony - Spiderbait

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Dave W asserts...

Posted June 10, 2015
Depeche Mode- Everything Counts

Dave W ducks in to say...

Posted June 11, 2015
I'll see your Strange Love and raise it to Stripped.

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