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Nirvana extracts the urine

Posted November 27, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

Back in 1991 the Seattle Grunge Gods were invited to appear on Engand's Top of the Pops, but only on the condition they not play their instruments while Cobain did his best Milli Vanilli with the vocals. They were ... uncooperative. The results, however, were gold. Brings a tear to me old Gen X eye it does.

Love Cobain chanelling 80s meta-Goth thru the mic. Vaguely recall Cold Chisel doing something similar to Countdown.

Props to Beeso for the link.

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K3mepoh mutters...

Posted November 27, 2013

Playing Terrortorial Pissings instead of Lithium on the Jonathon Ross show is another great moment from that tour

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BigWillieStyle asserts...

Posted November 27, 2013

Jesus wept. Cobain was such a tool and this pretty much proves it. Ordinary guitarist and karaoke-level singer who managed to cobble together one or two half-decent songs at best.

Dino not to be confused with has opinions thus...

Posted November 28, 2013

BWS,

I never bought a Nirvana record.

I heard 'Lithium' in 1995/6.

"I'm so happy...."

Maybe he couldn't play Barrios on guitar.

I could and I still liked him.

He/they struck a chord for me.

Dino not to be confused with is gonna tell you...

Posted November 28, 2013

Lithium,

Medicine.

In the Periodic Table.

Atomic or Physical Chemistry anyone?

Or maybe CP Snow?

Dino not to be confused with reckons...

Posted November 28, 2013

Maybe Sicofarmacology?

I had have heaps of the shit.

They even syringed me and made me unconciousness.

Qualified Doctors in the NSW Health Service.

Smart people!

I argued about adrelinine and such but it didn't matter.

They were experts.

Cost me body parts.

How much do they get paid?

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Abe Frellman is gonna tell you...

Posted November 27, 2013

Lolz. It took Morrissey's lip-synching This Charming Man into a bunch of gladioli to another level.

Therbs ducks in to say...

Posted November 28, 2013

Did you get the t-shirt emblazoned with:

"ITS OFFICIAL! MORRISSEY IS A TWAT"

Abe Frellman has opinions thus...

Posted November 28, 2013

Ha! Nah, I was too much of a Smiths fan (but really just a Johnny Marr fan).

Lulu ducks in to say...

Posted November 29, 2013

Abe, as a young 'un I used to go around to pubs with a friend who was so much of a Smiths fan she'd named her handbag 'Morrissey'. Another girl in the group, GNR fan, had also named her handbag. So the lines, "Where's Morrissey?" "Over there, on the floor next to Axl" were quite possible.

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PaulC swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 27, 2013

That reminds of when Reef appeard on Hey Hey It's Saturday. They were supposed to play "Place You Hands" but did "Yer Old" instead then smashed their gear at the end. The unimpressed look on Daryl's face was priceless. I wish I could find the video of that...

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Therbs mutters...

Posted November 28, 2013

Now we're gonna have Beeso and Doc Yobbo argue about Nirvana. Reckon Kurt truly injected himself into this performance.

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w from brisbane asserts...

Posted November 28, 2013

My 17 year old daughter and her friends were at a Karaoke facility last night.
What were the highlights. I asked.
She said, two of her friends doing a rip-roaring version of Smells Like Teen Spirit.

I didn't know my daughter was even aware of the song, but, 22 years after the song's release, it does say something for it that teens are still, um, er, smelling it.

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Rob has opinions thus...

Posted November 28, 2013

I saw Nirvana back in 92 for a whole 45 minutes. Then Kurt stormed off stage in a huffy never to be seen again in New Zealand. He had the same problem as Nick Cave did in the 80s in NZ; an unreliable smack supply.

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Rob has opinions thus...

Posted November 28, 2013

speaking of pisstakes

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yankeedog is gonna tell you...

Posted November 28, 2013

An ancient and honorable tradition it is for bands to not listen to TV people. The Rolling Stones were asked by Ed Sullivan to change the lyric from 'Let's Spend The Night Together' to 'Let's Spend Some Time Together'. Mick agreed-and promptly sang 'Let's Spend The Night Together' anyway. Sullivan, from what I heard, was none too happy. So this type of thing goes back some way.

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From Nirvana to Soundgarden to war

Posted July 3, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

Jason Everman played guitar in two of the greatest rock bands of my generation. Both kicked him out. He went to war. Actual war.

A long read from the New York Times. But worth it.

He had three drill sergeants, two of whom were sadists. Thank God it was the easygoing one who saw it. He was reading a magazine, when he slowly looked up and stared at Everman. Then the sergeant walked over, pointing to a page in the magazine. “Is this you?” It was a photo of the biggest band in the world, Nirvana. Kurt Cobain had just killed himself, and this was a story about his suicide. Next to Cobain was the band’s onetime second guitarist. A guy with long, strawberry blond curls. “Is this you?”

Everman exhaled. “Yes, Drill Sergeant.”

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insomniac puts forth...

Posted July 3, 2013

It reminds me of when my daughter started playing soccer. She joined the same team as her school friend. I turned up at a preseason game. There was this guy called Mark there. He mentioned playing guitar. I asked if he was in a band. He said he played gigs with a friend of his. I didn't think any more of it. Later, after the girls had their first win, we had a pizza night. As we were walking to the restaurant, the dad of my daughter's friend and the guy were talking about a book deal, and then the dad said 'this guy's famous'. I asked why. It turns out that he's one of the founding members of ACDC, Mark Evans, and also kicked out after Bon Scott died. Now standing on the sideline of a girls soccer game, and totally suburban.

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Surtac swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 3, 2013

Yes, just finished reading this myself. Awesome story.

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Rob has opinions thus...

Posted July 3, 2013

ah that takes me back to meeting Mark Arm from Mudhoney at a house party in Auckland in 1990. He told us, in my friends kitchen, that Mudhoney basically suck and we should wait for Nirvana.They were awesome he said. Well after seeing Nirvana and Soundgarden live, he was wrong. Mudhoney in Auckland 1990 was the best show I have ever seen.

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John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted July 3, 2013
It sort of reminds me that the vast unseen majority of people who into music fail to reap and financial reward, and always have. It's an incredibly feudal set up with the musicians as lowly serfs. Even before Napster et al.

w from brisbane mumbles...

Posted July 3, 2013

On the other hand, the average person, given a month's fairly intensive training on guitar, could play the full catalogue of most pop/rock bands quite well.

Lulu mutters...

Posted July 3, 2013

w, that's a bit of a stretch.

w from brisbane puts forth...

Posted July 3, 2013

A guitar teacher friend says he can get the average person, who has never played. to a professional standard in 30 hours of supervised instruction and practice.

I 'm thinking a month, 4 weeks by 20 hrs = 80 hrs, to get quite good.
Pop music is so simple it is played by people who can't read music.

pitpat would have you know...

Posted July 3, 2013

I have never played a guitar but have played brass -trumpet trombone, and uphonium- at school and did a bit on the blues harp. Since my son started guitar lessons we have had guitar in the house and have since been given another couple including an acoustic bass. Anyway I bet him that I could learn the bass line to Warning by Green Day faster than he could learn and recite some of his lesson work by using the cunning method of practice. I didn't win but I did learn Fulsome Prison and now happily practice blues and country rhythms via the wonder of you tube. Practice and enjoyment for me are the keys.

Shifty Tourist ducks in to say...

Posted July 3, 2013

Its not quite that easy W.... its not a time in = skill progression situation, you really have to work at understanding it.... not just doing the same hand actions over and over..... reading music is actually not that important.... its just an instruction manual, one written in a fairly archaic language. Also modern rock (as encompassing a variery of genres but completely opposed to Pop of Muszac) had strong improvisational bases to it, which can't be taught/learnt comprehensively.... sure they can teach you the scales, and some tried and tested tricks.... but ultimately you need a strong understanding of how music works and how the instrument works.... and an aweful lot of failure. Its like suggesting somebody can become a great writer by somebody teaching you grammer for forty hours and buying a copy of the dictionary.

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted July 3, 2013

I was talking about playing, not writing. That is different and it is all about paring back; words, chords, notes.
Not sure people need a strong understanding. That is part of what makes pop music great, and not great.

I was listening to an interview with James Black, pianist and guitarist with the Rockwiz band. He was asked, was it great fun working up those duets with the stars? He said, generally, No! You ask them what key they like to sing in, they have no idea. Teaching them the song. It's a battle. It is amazing how little many understand about music, he said.

I have been listening to Marine Girls a bit this week. One of Kurt Cobain's favourite bands. I had heard Marine Girl, Tracy Thorn, being interviewed. Later, she became a pop star with Everything But The Girl. She said, Marine Girls was just some sixth form friends. They didn't have a drummer because they didn't know anyone with a drum kit. Some of it is out of tune because, Tracy said, they didn't know how to tune the guitars. Still, the music sounds pretty good. Pop music.

Shifty Tourist mutters...

Posted July 3, 2013

Speaking as one of those lowly serfs, I can say, Damn straight.... we struggled, we gave it our all... but financial reward, HA... broke even on a self-funded EP.... largely because of friends and family pitched in to buy them.

Why? Because the MAN kept us down, oh, also because we were a head of our time, and the sheeple weren't ready to have their minds blown.... oh.. yeah...... welll.... that and because we were pretty shit.

w from brisbane mutters...

Posted July 3, 2013

Bad luck, Shifty.
Getting other people to buy your original pop music, that is an enigma wrapped in a mystery.

NBlob mumbles...

Posted July 3, 2013

Setting: Int. Panelled room. Lit fireplace. Deep leather armchair

Costume: Smoking robe. Slippers.

*Narator snaps book shut and adresses camera directly.*

Narator: "And that. Right there, proves Birmo's point about Subthread discussions. Curse him."

damian puts forth...

Posted July 3, 2013

Shifty is right, though, w. Most people can learn to play the notes with enough practice and training. But you can hear when their heart isn't in it. There's actually quite a range of differences, like simple vs complex, easy vs virtuoso, expressive vs mechanical.

It's also why the more respected musical genres mix a lot of things, including improvisation. Dunno if you remember a TV show about a band in the 80s called Sweet and Sour, but there's a scene in it where they teach a random non-musical guy (maybe the singer's boyfriend, don't remember) to play bass for their songs in about 5 minutes. It's a big stretch from that to playing any part to Bohemian Rhapsody. That's not saying it's that hard to learn, but if you think in terms of depth first versus breadth first algorithms, that is more the way to understand it.

FWIW Nirvana was relatively musically sophisticated compared to most of their peers (a trait they shared with The Triffids, who were supposed to be one of their big influences). But it's not hard to learn to play (Lithium might be the track I'm thinking of here).

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted July 3, 2013

I remember when the unplugged Nirvana concert was first aired in
1993. I happened to be with a pile of musos. People liked Nirvana. There was no bitchiness. But, as the concert unfolded, people started looking at each other. He was a poor guitarist. He wasn't a good guitarist, playing simply. He really was just a very limited guitar player. People were surprised. Some of the songs were good. Some strong vocals. But his guitar ability was very poor. There was genuine surprise in the room.

I remember reading an interview with Branford Marsalis towards the end of his playing days with Sting. He was asked for his impressions. He said, Sting was fine to work with, but he got a bit annoyed talking to the rock crowd. Sting's rock friends would ask about music, Marsalis said I would try to talk about it as simply as possibly, they would stop me. "Hey dude, I just play by feel." They would smile and nod at their own awesomeness.

Marsalis said, it was as if I spent all those years practicing for 10 hours a day because I didn't really like music.

w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted July 3, 2013

Of course, it would be fun to bat around the idea that there is no heart in music anymore because of dynamic range compression.

That right. The Loudness Wars!

Rob ducks in to say...

Posted July 3, 2013

Its hard work not telling your kids to not follow their dreams. I have one son who is at uni doing engineering and is a great guitarist, hes very pragmatic and is looking at the degree to subsidise his music making. and My other son is an amazing artist, who wants to make computer art. I keep trying to talk him out of art school,(mainly because i went and it was shonky crap) he finally relented and is doing fine arts and computer gaming design combined. Phew, aussie pragmatism wins again.

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Darth Greybeard swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 3, 2013

If he was one of your characters, we'd scoff at him for being unbelievable. As for the rewards I once had a heart-to-heart with my young bro-in-law about going into music for a living. Don't do it I said, very few people even scratch a living from it I said, will you still be doing this when you're 50 I said. Finish school first I said. Fortunately he ignored me completely (see kids, you can ignore old people and it will turn out fine).

Also watching a friend of my son's who wants to be a writer. Young family, pain of rejection, self-doubt. Bloody hard road for anyone in any of the creative fields to be sure.

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Surtac ducks in to say...

Posted July 3, 2013

Too right GB. Translating creativity into a reasonable living isn't something I'd want to have to attempt.

The irony of our host's self-description on Twitter ("I write for food.") is not lost on me.

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Murphy asserts...

Posted July 3, 2013

Once you get past the band material, you get what most professional soldiers are truly like.

I do find it strange and somewhat sad that Everman was thrown out of two bands because of his moods. I'm also gratified that the Army didn't hold it against him. Moodiness and the military doesn't always combine well either but then he had the best thing going for him.

He kept quiet. If you can do that in uniform, you'll go far.

Certainly something I have never been able to master.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

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PaulC swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 3, 2013

I was wondering what had happened to Everman after he left Mindfunk...

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AkaSlymann puts forth...

Posted July 3, 2013
There is also Deniz Tek who wrote songs, sang and played guitar for the very awesome punk band Radio Birdman among a bunch of others.

He as far as my memory goes was also a Marine, an emergency room surgeon (I think he did this for the marines as well as a civi) and flew in the rear seat in Phantom fighter jets. His callsign was Iceman and apparently that's where the producers of Top Gun got the idea for the Val Kilma character.

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BrianC has opinions thus...

Posted July 4, 2013

I fair shit a brick when i read that article.

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pi reckons...

Posted July 5, 2013

Criminy... that is just about the most amazing thing I've ever read. You couldn't write a script like that.

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted July 5, 2013

You wouldn't write a script like that.

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MarkM has opinions thus...

Posted July 9, 2013

Fantastic article! I spent many years trying to 'make it' and can attest it is basically luck of the draw. Years ago, I was in a great band doing really good things. We were popular with our peers, we had a good following and a successful and, more importantly, a money-making release. Despite working our proverbials off, we never seemed to be in the right place at the right time. We watched a number of bands around us achieve much more with far less work. This is still the state of play, which is why a show like 'Exhumed: the Best Bands You've Never Heard Of' can exist.

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Driving Playlist

Posted June 10, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

Threw this one out to Twitter. This is what they threw back. It skews towards accelerated listening.


Lloyd, I'm Ready To Be Heartbroken
Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country

This Is The Day
The The - Soul Mining


Jesus Built My Hotrod
Ministry - Jesus Built My Hotrod


Cars (Remix) Fear Factory - The Best of Fear Factory

Foreign Language (Flight Facilities Extended Mix)
Flight Facilities - Foreign Language Remixes


Better Get A Lawyer
The Cruel Sea - Three Legged Dog


Goofy's Concern
Butthole Surfers - Independent Worm Saloon


The Pretender
Foo Fighters - The Pretender


All These Things That I've Done
The Killers - Hot Fuss (int'l)


Satan Is My Motor
Cake - Prolonging the Magic


Pictures of Home (1997 Remix)
Deep Purple - Machine Head - 25th Anniversary Edition


Go With The Flow
Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf (UK Version)


Born To Run
Bruce Springsteen - Greatest Hits


Apartment Story
The National - Boxer


Birds
Anouk - Birds


Army Of Me
Björk - Post


Aloha Steve & Dano
The Casanovas - Heartbeat


Hey Friend
Jeff The Brotherhood - We Are The Champions


Heavy Days
Jeff The Brotherhood - Heavy Days

Whiskey In The Jar (Full Length Version)
Thin Lizzy - Whiskey In The Jar

Territorial Pissings
Nirvana - Nevermind


Smells Like Teen Spirit
Nirvana - Nevermind


The Songs They Played As I Drove Away
Tim Rogers & The Twin Set - What Rhymes With Girls And Cars


Needle
Born Ruffians - Needle - Single


Jazz Devil
Barry Adamson - The Murky World Of Barry Adamson


The King Of Rock'n'Roll
Daniel Lioneye - The King Of Rock 'n' Roll


Voodoo Cadillac
Southern Culture on the Skids - Southern Culture on the Skids Live at Maxwell's 06/28/2004


Ocean Size
Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking

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BigWillieStyle mutters...

Posted June 10, 2013

"Insane in the Brain" - Cypress Hill

"Axegrinder" - Hoodoo Gurus

"Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" - Big & Rich

"Heart's Done Time" - Aerosmith

"The Girl Tried to Kill Me" - Ice T

"Tangled Up In Blue" - Sir Bob

Rhino reckons...

Posted June 11, 2013

That list rocks. All it needs is some "Like a Hurricane" - Neil Young

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tqft ducks in to say...

Posted June 10, 2013

You not like my taste in music. Evil evil man. Maybe just different.

John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted June 10, 2013

Looking for stuff I didnt have

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Bangar is gonna tell you...

Posted June 10, 2013

Bat Out Of Hell,just reminding.

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BigWillieStyle has opinions thus...

Posted June 10, 2013

Forgot one;

"The Boy With the Arab Strap" - Belle & Sebastian

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jcdmusing asserts...

Posted June 10, 2013

How can you have missed the greatest driving song of all time :-

Radar Love by The Dutch band Golden Earring.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AD5fX4sveo

Rhino ducks in to say...

Posted June 11, 2013

And "Twilight Zone" by Golden Earring as well.

Love that song.

Birmo - that could be Caitlyn's theme song.

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Microbe74 has opinions thus...

Posted June 10, 2013

bit late coming into it but here goes anyway

Time to Switch to Whiskey - The Corb Lund Band

Shark Fin Blues - The Drones

Cadence to Arms - Dropkick Murphys

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pitpat mutters...

Posted June 11, 2013

Battle of Evermore -Led Zep. On the lonely flooded Hay Plain at night going to Byron Bay.

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Ali mutters...

Posted June 11, 2013

I think they forgot Cadillac and a Mustang by Dan Sultan.

Especially if you're still in an On The Road kinda mind.

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Rob is gonna tell you...

Posted June 11, 2013

Thought I would join in, basically this is what I listen to when driving.

Electric Six- Jimmy Carter

Diana Anaid- Perfect Family

DC3- The Gathering

Lamb of God- requiem

Cosmo Jarvis - Maxine

Minsitry - The last Sucker

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insomniac mumbles...

Posted June 11, 2013

did you post this on behalf of the chauffeur?

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Bunyip has opinions thus...

Posted June 11, 2013

Yeah, but. It's one thing to listen to something with a high BPM whilst playing dodgems with the nutters on the way out of Smelburg/Sidni/Brisvegas, and another whilst you cruise along something long and relaxed like the New England or Newell Highways (in NSW) (cannot be fcuked thinking of Queensland analogues)

Mind you, to enter in the spirit of this thread my suggestions for transurban freeway defensive driving:

Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell The Stooges

Search and Destroy Iggy and the Stooges

Descent Into the Maelstrom Radio Birdman

When out west of the Divide, I'm probably listening to Arvo Part or some other wanky thinky crap.

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Rhino reckons...

Posted June 11, 2013

"Changes of Latitude, Changes of Attitude" - Jimmy Buffett

"Paradise by the Dashboard Lights" - Meatloaf

"Catholic Girls" - Frank Zappa

"Friends in Low Places" - Garth Brooks

"Alice's Restaurant" - Arlo Guthrie

"Wasn't That a Party" - The Irish Rovers

"I'm Shipping Up to Boston" - Dropkick Murphys

"Scotland the Brave"

Ippy Percival would have you know...

Posted June 11, 2013

I used to do a cover of Alice's Restaurant. I had most of the monologue word for word, but would usually modify it heavily as is the way of such things (and also make it a bit shorter). Keeping that fingerpicking riff going under a monologue is a fantastic exercise no matter what you end up bleating on about anyhow.

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Bondiboy66 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted June 11, 2013

AAaah many classic driving tunes there. Some more in a fast and thrashy vein:

455SD - Radio Birdman

War of the Gods - Amon Amarth

Master of Puppets - originally Metallica, but go for the version by Trivium

Progenies of Great Apocalypse - Dimmu Borgir

Nocturnal Fear - Celtic Frost

Well they are some of MY favourites anyway.

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yankeedog reckons...

Posted June 11, 2013

'Ramblin' Man'-Allman Brothers

'Red Barchetta'-Rush

'Take It Easy'-Eagles (c'mon, that's gotta be on the list for someone other than me. Well, maybe not)

'Ghost Riders In The Sky'-preferably, Johnny Cash's version

I'll second Rhino's 'Changes In Latitudes, Changes In Attitudes'

'Twilight Zone'-Golden Earring

'Mississippi Mud'-Hank Williams III (Ol' Hank's grandson is usually on the YD playlist somewhere)

'Middle of the Road'-Pretenders

'Marche Slave'-Tchaikovskiy. Perfect for cranking up when pulled up next to someone's thumping bass.

And, of course, 'I've Been Everywhere'-again, prefer Cash's version, but will cheerfully play the original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjm3zSCjNoU

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Ippy Percival is gonna tell you...

Posted June 11, 2013

I like a driving list that has Jesus Built my Hotrod in it. From The Cruel Sea, I'd probably put Down Below in the driving list, just because that surf guitar tells me a story on a big open highway. Too much Nirvana, I'd just include Lithium. The obvious Triffids song is way too cheesy, and I'm afraid I would probably find Born to Run fits in the same category, though some other Springsteen might do it for me. Not that I think it's by any shot a bad song.

I'd rather Gary Numan doing Cars, and Queen doing We are the Champions, but might not trouble with the latter (but maybe Don't stop me now). And actually I'd go Are Friends Electric ahead of Cars anyway.

Oh and my driving list has Pepper and TV Star from the Butthole Surfers' Electric Larryland album. Just because the first one sounds great in a car up loud and the second one is... well, kinda sweet and mentions a cute doggie.

There's something by Andy Prieboy that I keep thinking would be a great driving song, but I don't think it's ever made it to my car. From the album with the Wendy song he did with the woman from Concrete Blonde. Forget the name of the track. But anyway...

If I'm feeling energetic and silly I like Verdi's Requiem up loud. And Holst's Jupiter. A nice big recording of Bach's B minor Mass is very welcome in my car, too, and I might even not sing the bass part along.

Most of the time if I want music I want soothing and often enough ABC Classic FM does it for me. But what the hey...

Surtac would have you know...

Posted June 13, 2013

Ippy, that was Tomorrow Wendy with Johnette Napolitano. Great song, btw.

Hmmn. While I'm here, I have to point out that Porcupine Tree have some great driving music that I love to play loud when travelling solo. My faves would include these tracks:

Arriving Somewhere But Not Here

Lazarus

Voyage 34

Russia On Ice

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Churba swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted June 11, 2013

A few I've been grooving to in The Mighty Van lately:

The Rolling stones - Doom and Gloom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPFGWVKXxm0

Butterfingers - FIGJAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyzrKPcLpBw

Pretty much anything by the Black Keys, but right now in Particular, Lonely Boy and Gold on the Ceiling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yCIDkFI7ew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_426RiwST8

WAX - Rosana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0aRb4rAq0I

Gary Clark Jr - Don't owe you a thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFIWstcaoLc

A bunch of Mashups, like this:
AC/DC vs Queen (Plus Robert Plant and friends) - Rock in Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LrL5zSlW_

The Beatles vs LCD Soundsystem - The Brits are playing at my house
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPtWh5XjiH0

PSY vs Ray Parker Jr - Gagnam Busters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82LCKBdjywQ

Queen vs The Beatles - Fat Bottom Girls Come Together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMGo7H5-a0A

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Rob puts forth...

Posted June 12, 2013

Radar Love you say? Ministry you say? Doors..roadhouse blues. Rolling Stones.

You pretty much only need two CDs and thats Minsitry and Co-conspirators covers albums. Which has everything from Doors, to louis armstrong and Amy Winehouse http://youtu.be/gmUKK_AGRNI

Churba reckons...

Posted June 12, 2013

If you like Amy Winehouse even a little, you should check out Clairy Brown and the Bangin' Rackettes.

Rob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted June 13, 2013

When TISM's Damian Cowell mentioned Clairy Browne in an interview. I thought it was some sort of post modern joke. I randomly googled the name and ended up buying the CD from bandcamp about 3 minutes later. Totally brilliant.

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Music in space

Posted May 26, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

Everyone should have seen Commander Chris Hadfield's cover of the Bowie classic Major Tom by now. If you haven't, shame on you. Here 'tis.

In the vid below, shot before he took off, he talks about about how important music can be to the astronauts, cosmonauts, whatevernauts up there. And I have to say it's something I never thought of. The latest Apple ad, featuring nothing more than people groovin to their phones' itunes libraries, does a great job of reminding us how important music can be to us as a species. And yet you almost never see it in SF.

It was important enough to the space agencies involved in the ISS to commission a bespoke guitar.

Somebody, Blarkon or Damien probably, will now interject with three examples of seminal space operas featuring the protagonists playlists as pivotal plot devices. But I don't recall any, and that's all that counts.

Watch the vid. It's fascinating, especially if you've seen Hadfield's Bowie act.

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yankeedog mutters...

Posted May 26, 2013

I did see the video, and Cmdr. Hadfield does a fine job.

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BobGrrl would have you know...

Posted May 26, 2013

I dunno about protagonist playlists from space operas, but the music in the Battlestar Galactica remake became an important part of the plot by the end of the show. (In addition to it being easily the best original soundtrack from any TV show I've ever heard.)

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NicF swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 26, 2013

Speaking of BSG, Bear McRearys version of All Along the Watchtower remains my favourite of all time.

But while trying to think of SF with music as a centrepiece I couldn't come up with anything except that great Futarama episode with Fry learning that silly instrument.

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Lobes is gonna tell you...

Posted May 26, 2013
  1. Close encounters of the Third Kind
  2. The Fifth Element
  3. Cloud Atlas

You're Welcome

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JBtoo mutters...

Posted May 26, 2013

Anne McCaffrey's Crystal Singer & Ship Who Sang books. Not exactly seminal, but SF all the same.

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Dylwah puts forth...

Posted May 26, 2013

William Gibson uses music s bit, there was the dub of the rasters in space in Neuromancer, and a punk band in one of the 'Bridge' books.

Arthur C. Clarke used toccata and fugue in d minor in one of his short stories set on mars. Can't remember the name tho.

I think my favorite music in a sci fi flick is "Hardware" with PiL and Iggy as the radio dj. (Sorry mr Williams. )

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Mark Duffett asserts...

Posted May 26, 2013

It's not in the film, but there is a passage in Arthur C Clarke's novel of 2001: A Space Odyssey where David Bowman 'more alone than any man in human history' after disabling HAL, tries to take solace in a range of operatic pieces including Dies Irae before eventually (from memory) settling on Bach.

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w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted May 26, 2013

Dave Lister's favourite band was Rastabilly Skank. Rimmer was very familiar with their work, but greatly disliked them.

In the novel, there was some more detail about Rastabilly Skank. Amongst other songs, reference is made to Rastabilly Skank's popular love ballad,
"Hey baby, don't be ovulating tonight".

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Dino not to be confused with has opinions thus...

Posted May 26, 2013

JB

That's a nice sounding geetar!

He can sing as well and I noticed a Dsus4 and G chord in there so I petition he do a version of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.

Of course they'll have to lift up a Les Paul, Fender Twin Reverb Amp(original vibra) and a Jimi Hendrix wah wah pedal.

John Birmingham swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 26, 2013

From the YouTube evidence, he did quite a few covers up there.

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damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 26, 2013

I'm sure there must have been a reference to music at some point in Keith Laumer's Retief! stories. Can't quite remember... I liked some of the musical themes in Banks' stuff , the latest one as well as Look to Windward - but I suppose that is different to the sort of thing you mean.

Does seem to be relatively little explored, and I'd have thought it's more about how much extra imagination it takes and the near certainty of going wrong.

Anthony puts forth...

Posted May 27, 2013

The one that makes a ukelele sound good? The Antagonistic Undecagonstring that needs four arms to play...

There's also the baddies in Eric Flints Empire novels. Course of Empire and Crucible of Empire. The Ekhat are a rather unpleasant xenophobic lot of musical nasties who are so bad that any sort of rythmic sound terrifies the various species who have come into contact with them.

John Ringo's Legacy of the Aldenata series also contains a significant playlist. Someone's put together a (not definitive) YouTube playlist for the seriest at http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBE19F761F632BEF3

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DNABeast ducks in to say...

Posted May 27, 2013

I'm a much bigger fan of ISS - Is Someone Singing where Cmdr. Hadfield sings along with Ed Robinson and the Barenaked Ladies.

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JG swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 27, 2013

Commander H did a brilliant cover. He's a pretty good singer for an astronaut. A couple of flat notes at the start, but he gave a credible performance and hit all the high notes. I wonder if he'll go on tour now.

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Bondiboy66 is gonna tell you...

Posted May 27, 2013

Star Trek, the original series - Spock hangs out with the Space Hippies and plays a....somethingorother that is sort of guitar-like.

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 27, 2013

Sure, Bondi. But that really doesn't explain this.

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There's not nearly enough music for young people; about semicolons

Posted May 23, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

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Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted May 23, 2013

still not going to save the semi colon. This might save it

Dick reckons...

Posted May 23, 2013

Jebus, Barnesy, haven't you got somewhere you should be?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted May 23, 2013

Hey, fuck you. Barnsey is exactly where he needs to be, and doing what needs to be done.

Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted May 23, 2013

Thanks Prof B couldn't have said it better myself

Dick ducks in to say...

Posted May 23, 2013

That's a tad harsh, Professor. I was just observing that Mr Barnes was the first to post on the last two entries within minutes of them being posted. No need to get all gung ho on my ass (as you yanks would say).

Barnesm reckons...

Posted May 23, 2013

Quick respnse due to the mighty but soon to be decommissioned google reader.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted May 23, 2013

I do apologize, Dick, for my response to your comment. It was, indeed a tad harsh and, in retrospect, I must confess to a bit of embarassment for having overreacted to your comment. However, I am forced by a highly advanced sense of propriety to mention that, although I am a "yank" by birth, I have never once used the term "gung ho" in conjunction with reference to another person's posterior. Never once. Perhaps there are United States citizens who would say something like that, but I've never met one. Well, perhaps one, but beyond that, no one else. Maybe two. At most. But that certainly isn't the basis for proving a stereotype, is it? That's like saying that all gay men are fastidious just becasue you've been to one gay wedding. Or it is like saying all Mexicans are thrifty because you saw one saving string for later use. Generalizatons based on limited data inputs can be inaccurate.

w from brisbane puts forth...

Posted May 23, 2013

Thanks PNB. That is very clear.
I try to look at U.S. cultural sources for stereotypical word usage.

"I'm gonna git Medieval on your ass."

This has puzzled me. I am assuming this refers to recording pages of the illustrated bible on a blank flesh canvas?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted May 24, 2013

Yes. Exactly. Nothing is more terrifying than vellum.

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w from brisbane is gonna tell you...

Posted May 23, 2013

This is outrageous! Not since Alanis Morrisette's song, 'Ironic', has a lyrical examination of an aspect of English expression got it so wrong.

A semi-colon should join 2 independent clauses.

My whole team coming clean; shampoo.
Did I do that; urkel.
etc

These examples are independent clauses preceding a list. The colon would be the correct choice.

Trowzers mutters...

Posted May 23, 2013

That's why they all got F's at the end of the song!

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted May 23, 2013

You didn't wait for the ending, did you?

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stacey ducks in to say...

Posted May 23, 2013

w from Brisbane, did you watch the whole thing?

w from brisbane has opinions thus...

Posted May 23, 2013

No. Keeping to the conventions of internet outrage, I started typing before I got to the end. I will force myself to watch the whole piece.
This better not be a trick. .

Dino not to be confused with mumbles...

Posted May 23, 2013

I think; w didn't.

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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted May 23, 2013

OK, point taken, though why didn't they entitle the song:
'A common example of incorrect semicolon use repeated ad nauseum, y'all'?

w from brisbane asserts...

Posted May 23, 2013

This doesn't excuse my shame, but to perhaps explain:-

I categorise most rap music with bagpipe music; great for about 50 seconds.

DNABeast has opinions thus...

Posted May 23, 2013

Speaking of not following rules in communication, feel free to respond to the comment rather than starting a new one ;-)

w from brisbane asserts...

Posted May 23, 2013

OK, sure. Let's all make fun of stupid.

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Trowzers mumbles...

Posted May 23, 2013

This is the best grammar nazi rage troll song ever; the Youtube comments are going to be an amazing shambles. Correction: they already are a shambles and are bleeding out into this blog too!

Also, I kinda like the song regardless of subject.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 23, 2013

I distinctly remember discoverying the power of the semicolon; it happened in a remedial english class I took after high school.

insomniac has opinions thus...

Posted May 23, 2013

they should have included a module on spelling

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted May 23, 2013

Damn it, am I going to have to check my spelling now, too? I knew this sort of thing would happen the moment the site was nominated as a contender in a contest recognizing excellence. Fuck.

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insomniac swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted May 23, 2013

in the circumstances, shouldn't that be "...excellence; fuck."

she_jedi has opinions thus...

Posted May 23, 2013

Well played insomniac!

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted May 24, 2013

I stand by my use of "Fuck" as independent of the proceeding sentence/clause. I rely upon artistic license for justification.

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"The resurgence in hook-laden guitar-pop has led us back to Rumours."

Posted April 10, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

What the...?

A couple of weeks ago I quietly, almost shamefully added a new album to my Rdio collection. Well, an old one really. Fleetwod Mac's Rumours, which I onced owned on genuine black vinyl, and then CD, and played obsessively through my teenaged years.

It seemed such a naff, retrograde thing to do, slipping it into my carefully curated playlist, which is looking so much better since I kicked Anna off my account and into her own. What would people think if I signed in via Facebook and saw that I wasn't thrashing the Hoodies, or The Lacs or polishing my inusufferable hipper-than-thouness with the borrowed cred of somebody cooler's playlist. What if they saw I'd just listened to three Stevie Nick's songs in a row. Totally not by accident.

Fuck, Lobes might even unfollow me on the twitterz.

Ah, but then I read that the young people are loving the old school Mac, and that while I was dozing into late middle age, Rumours in particular had snuck back into the affections of a whole generation. The one after Y.

What. The. Fuck.

How? How?

Because apparently it was the soundtrack of their childhood, and it makes them feel good. Like cold milk and warm choc chip cookies at the end of a winter's day. Flavorwire, was so intrigued it lent it's popcultural heft to James Lachno's think piece about the band's unexpectedly renewed popularity.

"... there’s more to it than that: right now the hippest bands around all want to sound like Fleetwood Mac. What started in the late-2000s with US folk-rock revivalists such as Fleet Foxes and Bon Iver has built up a head of steam. Last year saw the release of fine albums from trendy US acts such as Best Coast and Sharon Von Etten that bore the unmistakable influence of Fleetwood Mac’s classic Seventies period, as did work from blockbuster pop artists Mumford and Sons and Taylor Swift. Barely a cigarette paper, meanwhile, can separate the sound of Stevie Nicks’s songs from Rumours and those of the BBC's feted Sound Of 2013 poll winners, Haim."

Even as an aging Nicks fan, I think that par overstates the case, but at least I can now breathe easier when I plate up the album on Rdio.

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Bunyip puts forth...

Posted April 10, 2013

<Turns Stooges up to 12>

Bondiboy66 is gonna tell you...

Posted April 10, 2013

Fuck YES

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insomniac mutters...

Posted April 10, 2013

i can relate to the old vinyl making a comeback. we have a vinyl collection we want to get rid of, and the most valuable ones are some rubbish by crosby stills nash and young, kiss alive, and abba's ring ring. hardly newish stuff. we have rumours too but it ain't my soundtrack

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Quokka would have you know...

Posted April 10, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrRIelP8xq0

Ooh yes, big fan of Stevie Nicks way back when I were a lass & still have some of her clothes in my wardrobe. Added a blonde wig to the get up & went to a girlfriend's Fancy Dress 80s 40th BD, clutching a plastic bag full of white powder & half empty bottle of vodka.

Every woman there immediately fell about laughing & shouted '1986 Wild Heart Tour at Boondall. yeah I remember that.'

Have you heard this one with Ella Hooper, sounding very much like The Mac?

It is awesome.

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Quokka swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted April 10, 2013

Awesome, W.

I still have that gown in my closet, complete with lace and batwing sleeves.

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NBlob would have you know...

Posted April 10, 2013

Baahahah I can't wait 'till Ashar sees this.

matter - antimatter

gravity - antigravity

cred - anticred

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John Birmingham mutters...

Posted April 10, 2013

Funny thing i, because I couldnt be arsed reading thru the derp at the last two Bluntys, I have NFI who this Ashar is.

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NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted April 10, 2013

Farcebook says otherwise.

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She'll mutters...

Posted April 10, 2013

"But time makes you bolder, even children get older..."

Mmm. Ain't it the truth. Sigh.

Shell mutters...

Posted April 10, 2013

Oh dear. Yes, that was me. And no, she won't. Thought it best to clear that up. Ha!

w from brisbane asserts...

Posted April 10, 2013

Yep, Shell. And the next line.

"But time makes you bolder
Children get older
I'm getting older too"

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Quokka ducks in to say...

Posted April 10, 2013

Glee did an entire episode on Rumours.

That's how the little folk learned about it.

Kristen Chenoweth & Matthew Morrisson's version of 'Dreams' comes up on the top 25 most played of my Sonos list. Wow that woman can sing.

While we are in the confessional I have some Dean Martin lurking in the Sonos too.

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Steve asserts...

Posted April 10, 2013

Never be ashamed of your musical heritage, John. We all know what a classic album of its time Rumours was. Nothing wrong with harking back to past perfections.

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damian ducks in to say...

Posted April 10, 2013

Oooh, you admitted to owning a Fleetwood Mac album. In public!

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melbo swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted April 10, 2013

"Rumours" is a great album. And who gives a shit what anyone else thinks. If your "dag quotient" goes up with some people then that says more about them than you.


That's my take on it anyway. Listen and enjoy.

damian would have you know...

Posted April 11, 2013

You mean I can freely admit to my lasting interes in the music of Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris and Guy Clarke wihout fear or favour?

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Bondiboy66 puts forth...

Posted April 10, 2013

I like the first Peter Green version of Fleetwood Mac. The later incarnation...not so much.

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Mark Duffett reckons...

Posted April 10, 2013

Wear it with pride. This GenXer glories in Simon & Garfunkel and Cat Stevens on the playlist.

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sibeen asserts...

Posted April 10, 2013

Contrary to popular opinion, I am not an old fart. I remain hip. I only listen to one music station and that is JJJ.

In this years JJJ top 100, the song that got voted in, by the sprogs, at number two, was a song by an Icelandic band called "Of Monsters & Men". Absolutely fantastic guitar pop / folk, and the whole album gets a big thumbs up.

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Spanner has opinions thus...

Posted April 10, 2013

I have blamed the good Dr Y for my getting drunk and sitting up with a set of headphones on and my ipod burning up my wifi downloading the tunes of my childhood and adolescence because booze, nostalgia, a credit card and an internet connection are all Dr Yobbo’s fault.

Be it the Mac (Oh god I loved the double album Tusk) or the guitar driven rock of my misspent yoof its all wonderful and I love the red wine and the nostalgia.

Quokka swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted April 11, 2013

The red wine no longer loves me.

Bloody sulphites.

Dave W reckons...

Posted April 11, 2013

Just Tusk. Only Tusk. Not the album, the song. It'd probably make my top 50 tracks for its complete strangeness and the hook. And it includes a marching band, at least in the vid.

Pretty much everything else by the Mac is just a bit too poppy for me.

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jord swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted April 11, 2013

Thank Glee for using the album during one of their eps (it may have been an entire Mac ep).

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TC mutters...

Posted April 11, 2013

Fleetwood Mac have always been easy to like. Most of my music is heavy, so it's important to have balance in life.

I have noticed the resurgence in what I call Folk Twang though. And I quite like it. So does my 3 year old son - there's a song that goes "hey! ho!" and he think it's awesome. That and Little Talks (probably also because of the "hey!")... I wonder if this is shaping his musical future...? Better play more Tool.

Bondiboy66 reckons...

Posted April 11, 2013

My teenage sons are all Metal fans - and my 7 year old wanted to hear 'Master of Puppets' while I cooked dinner the other night...

jord has opinions thus...

Posted April 11, 2013

Hey! Ho! - Luminaires

TC is gonna tell you...

Posted April 12, 2013

Master of Puppets - class. Battery is probably my favourite M song... perhaps I'd better dust off the record. Actually... I don't have a record player.

Luminaires, huh? Better look them up!

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mojo79 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted April 11, 2013
Dave Grohls Sound City doco and the Sound City Players album that both feature Mick and Stevie may have something to do with it.

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JG would have you know...

Posted April 11, 2013

I listened to Rumours while visiting friends at a farmhouse in Wagga Wagga back in the 80s. The guys seemed to play it a lot. Also, a Canberra radio station used to play it all the time. I got sick of listening to it.

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Brad reckons...

Posted April 12, 2013

JB,

"Roscoe" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDL9bXlwbM4) by Midlake is very reminiscent of Fleetwood Mac. If you like that, check out the rest of that album, "The Trials of Van Occupanther" (great from start to finish). Definitely the best of their lot.

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TC puts forth...

Posted April 12, 2013

Ah, I like that! Should I credit it to you or have you borrowed it from someone else?

Dino not to be confused with mutters...

Posted April 13, 2013

TC,

Pretty sure I read it in 1981.

I would like to take credit for it now.

Has the copyright expired?

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Bedes swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted April 12, 2013

Best review ever of any album ever was about Rumours in National Lampoon when it came out.

Although I don't necessarily entirely agree with author, the entire review continues to haunt me with it simplicity:

FleetwoodMac: Rumours "Buy a knife. Cut the fuck out of it."

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rob has opinions thus...

Posted April 29, 2013

John Birmingham. you would probably like this movie and CD http://buy.soundcitymovie.com/ its kinda groovy and says alot about the Rock music making process, and the digital revoultion.

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RexEverything mutters...

Posted April 30, 2013

It may well be the same reason I like Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra and Oscar Peterson cocktail piano - they bring back sweet memories of childhood... lying upstairs (with brothers and cousins) listening to the party going on downstairs.

John Birmingham would have you know...

Posted April 30, 2013

I have quite a collection of Rat Pack platters. I like to put 'em on when the need for a martini takes me. Although, I don't bother tuxing up nowadays.

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