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Heart Shaped Box

Posted March 23, 2014 into Music by John Birmingham

Been pondering a post on the most Gen X song ever. This isn't that post. But it's close and it came up during the research. I found this cool one-woman band via Esquire, of all places. Maybe it's just the bottle of cheap proscesso I drank, but this may be the coolest thing ever. Or at least tonight.

Definitely tonight.

As Esquire says: Nirvana's Heart Shaped Box:

... captures a certain kind of lethargic, mid-'90s teenage angst so well that unfortunately it forever bears the distinction of sounding exactly like an entire record store (remember those?) collectively rolling their eyes at you. Yet it's still a pretty great song, and it's basically uncoverable without sounding trite, overdone, or insincere.

But it has now been covered by a Hawaii-born, Lawrence, Kansas-based one-woman-band who goes by Kawehi. And what she manages to do with the song (and one large bottle of red wine, apparently) is nuanced and big and, hey, not trite, overdone or insincere.

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Jacques Stahl puts forth...

Posted March 23, 2014

Yes, agree, very nicely done.

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Murphy ducks in to say...

Posted March 24, 2014

Wait, wait, wait . . . hold on.

She was born in Hawaii and moved to KANSAS?

What.

The.

Fuck?

Why?

Who willingly makes a choice to go to Kansas if you aren't already next to it?

Baffled,

Murph

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SZF mutters...

Posted March 24, 2014

I'd go for the sweet (and enhanced!) Fujita scale.

I'd STAY for the portal to an endless supply of flying monkeys.

Murphy would have you know...

Posted March 24, 2014

The monkeys are a myth.

But there are plenty of the walking kind, they run a local business called Commerce Bank.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted March 24, 2014

I want to score some of that proscesso.

BigWillieStyle swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 24, 2014

As do I, PNB. Might assist me the next time I watch a baseball game on TV. One of your Big City Franchises played Another Big City Franchise in Sydney over the weekend. The biggest cheers came when one of the batter men hit a foul?/fowl? baseball into the crowd. In between times, the crowd was in some sort of induced coma.

Is this really what you people do for fun over there?

Lulu mutters...

Posted March 24, 2014

BWS, baseball always seemed to me like the US version of test cricket, just over one day instead of five.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted March 24, 2014

Baseball is always better while drinking lots and lots of beer (which is ALWAYS served during games).

I want some of that proscesso for its apparent eurphoric effects.

SZF would have you know...

Posted March 24, 2014

I'd hardly call the Diamondbacks a "Big City Franchise"...and the cheers are for when the punter in the crowd catches the foul ball. Just like at the cricket when someone hits a 6...

A bunch of us went along yesterday but even as a serious baseball fan I'll admit it wasn't the greatest of games until the 9th when things got a little interesting.

Still, it's the only time I've ever seen "the wave" go through the Members. That got a pretty serious cheer.

BigWillieStyle swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 24, 2014

@SFZ

Phoenix isn't a big city?

SZF has opinions thus...

Posted March 24, 2014

Not in a baseball sense (comparatively speaking)

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 25, 2014

SZF is correct. Phoenix is a teeny, tiny little city with a teeny, tiny little baseball team that rarely wins because they are so teeny tiny and cannot prevail against the giants. Or the red sox.

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Pete mumbles...

Posted March 24, 2014

Drums, she doesn't do percussion at all well, too bad that ... Asamatteroffact Robert Fripp had a drummer on one of his albums that made such a poor show of it the album credited had him as Johnny No Good, looks like he got work in Kansas.

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Therbs reckons...

Posted March 24, 2014

A bit twee. Saw that gadget she uses demonstrated on Spicks and Specks a few years back. Its basically a Casio keyboard thing with facility for recording and playback on multiple loops. Probably the sort of thing Gotcha would use for dubbing his nursery rhyme rip offs.

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Murphy mutters...

Posted March 24, 2014

I'm actually listening to the track now.

Yeah, you probably have to move to Kansas to find that level of existential angst needed for a decent cover.

Still, why Kansas? WTF?

Respects,

Murph

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w from brisbane is gonna tell you...

Posted March 24, 2014

She and her husband do not want a 'real' job. They just want to do music. They lived in L.A. for years. Very wearing with a neglible income. Hubby found somewhere more affordable. One problem, it's in Kansas. She had never been there. She really likes it.

Murphy has opinions thus...

Posted March 24, 2014

Anyone check her meds lately?

I'm serious.

w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted March 24, 2014

Youtube actually has a real estate video for the Black Lodge Recording Studio they purchased.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OYKlJbkrbo

Oh dear, am I stalking now?

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Rob would have you know...

Posted March 24, 2014

Nirvana were never a band I warmed to properly. I was there man, I was there at their only NZ concert, I had dreadlocks, which I wore with my leather jacket and track pants. I hung around with bands who played 'grunge'. What amazed me about Nirvana was suddenly all the music I liked, music which I previously got beaten up for, and harrassed about by fellow students, workmates, teachers etc, was suddenly popular and on TV every week. It was disturbing, my private rebellion laid bare and marketed to 12 year olds.

I met Mudhoney a few years before when they played Auckland and it was honestly the best concert I have ever been to. The Mudhoney guys told us that Nirvana were the band to watch, but to me they weren't. Mudhoney were the best of that batch of artists. Although I would love to hear someone rework 'Falling in and out of Grace'. but I can always make do with Richard Cheese doing Nirvana.

Bondiboy66 asserts...

Posted March 24, 2014

I saw Mudhoney just last month (mates band played support, and he got me on the door!). They are still a fabulous band live. You know the bass player is an Aussie?

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Surtac reckons...

Posted March 24, 2014

Hey. I really liked that ... and I'm way to old to be her target audience. Still.

Heading off now to listen to the Boss and Tom Morello do their loud version of The Ghost of Tom Joad. I can see that becoming a new Oz anthem under an Abbott government. Sad but true, imnsho.

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yankeedog mutters...

Posted March 24, 2014

I prefer this Nirvana song, covered by Nirvana.

Seems the original late '60's band Nirvana, from Britain, did a song by Seattle's own. Yeah, the original filed suit against Cobain and Co. for name infringement. Got settled amicably, though-which is a bit unusual for bands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SNhYrUnUCg

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Not all bands hate streaming

Posted January 17, 2014 into Music by John Birmingham

The headliners and mid-list acts have good reasons to be wary of it. But most bands are not headliners and midlisters, as this guy points out here at the Drowned in Sound blog. (Doffs cap to @willfrancis for the link magic).

Young bands know there's no money in it, they're not stupid. It's just that there's no money in anything else either, so why should there be any money in Spotify? And hey, the tiny royalty beats the big fat zero you get from torrents, Soundcloud and everything else out there. Small bands can't cash 'exposure' in at the bank. And they know this. Bandcamp is helpful, sure, but then again so is Spotify in some respects. Arguments about powerful, megalomaniac companies don't mean much to a class of bands and artists that don't have the management, label, agent, or press team working for them to generate the big bucks...

....

Yes, it certainly seems like more and more people are streaming, but that's just one side of an industry evolving - it doesn't mean we should all throw our CDs away and burn down record stores. If you're a band, or a label, or a manager, and you're worried about things like streaming cannibalizing your record sales, then there are ways around it which don't involve cutting off your nose to spite your face. You don't have to upload everything to Spotify if you don't want - maybe a Spotify only 'best of', or a trimmed down EP/ mini album version of your latest record might win a few new fans whilst trying to maintain a balance between royalties and sales. There'll always be the new - the mp3s, the streaming, the apps, but there'll always be room for the old - the cassettes, the vinyl, the t-shirts. It's these cycles and contradictions that make this industry what it is: An absolute mess, but a glorious one.

It's also a very fragmented one. You can't talk about Katy Perry in the same breath as Crash of Rhinos (for example) - what works for her, might not work for them, and vice versa. Spotify might by amazing for a rock band from Derby, but not for a pop singer from America. There is no right or wrong in this debate, but there are choices. If you don't like the idea of Spotify, don't engage with it. It's fine. If fan would rather stream, then that's cool too. There's a whole musical landscape out there that has absolutely fuck all to do with the internet as well. This obsession with data, and streaming, and Facebook... just go outside tonight and see a band in a pub. Go on. Do it. That's where these bands are, and that's where they've always been. The internet is important, sure, but in the end, so is existing in the 3D world, not just the 2D one.

I've been streaming a lot this week, being locked in the deadline dungeon.

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Blarkon asserts...

Posted January 17, 2014

An endless stream of talent that plays for thruppence in a few local pubs for a few years before settling down into jobs as accountants because systems of legal music distribution can never compete with "free".

If you're really good at something - you deserve to be paid for it. The idea that "artists shouldn't get paid for their work" is about as valid as saying "IT people who tend web servers, answer help desk calls, and fix computers shouldn't get paid for thier work".

pi puts forth...

Posted January 17, 2014

"IT people who tend web servers, answer help desk calls, and fix computers shouldn't get paid for thier work".

They call them blogs these days.

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ShaneAlpha mutters...

Posted January 17, 2014

It's much, much harder making money playing live then it was until the late 90's.

In Queensland, pre-pokies, pubs put on bands, people came to listen and drink. The bands would tour up and down the coast all year, with about a fortnight off after each circuit. It was good for the bands as they got paid and had the chance to work on thier music and see what worked and what didn't.

Then pubs found that they could just use a DJ and get the same numbers of punters. And venues at one stage became so adverse to taking a chance on new music would only use cover or concept bands.(I was in Sydney in the late 90s and wanted to go and see a band, there were 19 concept bands playing and only 2 that might have been original.)

Then pokies became legal. All the stages were torn out, and the rooms filled with pokies. Now the venues are relatively few and the competition among bands is fierce.

pi puts forth...

Posted January 17, 2014

QLD used to have an awesome music scene. The place where I met my partner, with a great pub band called Piston Broke were playing in Hamilton, is now a pokie room. It wasn't streaming music that made that happen.

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pi swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted January 17, 2014

I love my spotify. As soon as I found it I got the premium version at $11 a month. Since then I have barely even touched my quite massive music collection. The only time I now use the music collection is when I download from soundcloud and put it on my phone.

With Soundcloud and Spotify I now get every single part of my music legitimately.

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pi asserts...

Posted January 17, 2014

It's literally mind-boggling the stuff you can get through soundcloud and spotify these days. This is a mid-tier EDM artist that one of my faves right now.

https://soundcloud.com/mat_zo

His entire album at the top of the list, with commentary. Album is available through spotify, and also in bricks and mortar shops. These guys just play records dude. Well... they write them, but tens of thousands of people every week pay to see them live.

Music isn't dying. Artists aren't dying. Record companies are dying. Not the same thing.

Lobes mumbles...

Posted January 18, 2014

Wow I just bought his album off iTunes. One of the first times Ive done that. Still, I'm happy with paying, its a quality album.

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pi mumbles...

Posted January 17, 2014

Last contribution... I promise...

https://torrentfreak.com/how-to-kill-the-music-industry-090227/

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Dino not to be confused with has opinions thus...

Posted January 17, 2014

Fuck it I buy hard Copy.

On an aside I read today that Bolty is of Dutch Extraction.

I have family that are Dutch. And one of the most beautiful people I have ever met is Dutch.

But OMFG do I have ammunition now.

I am giggling in anticipation.

Say hello to 457(Cori).

Lost in Space he is...

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Barnesm has opinions thus...

Posted January 18, 2014

"Crash of Rhinos" I am sure there is one Cheeseburger would be interested in this.

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Rob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted January 18, 2014

If someone would like to support my art practice my etsy shop is open right now.

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Jarrod would have you know...

Posted January 20, 2014

Hmmm, this has echos of "Just pay for the damn app".

The record industry was a blip in time where thanks to copyright law and technology we had large companies controlling the distribution of recorded music making rather large profits. Historically musicians made money by playing and touring, the development of technology to record music meant that all of a sudden yu could make money without the hard yakka of touring.

Of course the internet has destroyed that business model (like so many others in the media). In many respect recorded music is not simply advertising for artists who make thier real money out of tours.

It is still possible to succeed in the music industry. Calvin Harris was "discovered" giving away his stuff on MySpace (remember Myspace) but now makes his living as a producer/DJ and occasional recording artist.

The business model has changed but good music and good musicians will still succeed and probably without the bloated parasites of record companies hoovering up royalties at the expense of the artists

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Nirvana extracts the urine

Posted November 27, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

Back in 1991 the Seattle Grunge Gods were invited to appear on Engand's Top of the Pops, but only on the condition they not play their instruments while Cobain did his best Milli Vanilli with the vocals. They were ... uncooperative. The results, however, were gold. Brings a tear to me old Gen X eye it does.

Love Cobain chanelling 80s meta-Goth thru the mic. Vaguely recall Cold Chisel doing something similar to Countdown.

Props to Beeso for the link.

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K3mepoh reckons...

Posted November 27, 2013

Playing Terrortorial Pissings instead of Lithium on the Jonathon Ross show is another great moment from that tour

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BigWillieStyle mutters...

Posted November 27, 2013

Jesus wept. Cobain was such a tool and this pretty much proves it. Ordinary guitarist and karaoke-level singer who managed to cobble together one or two half-decent songs at best.

Dino not to be confused with reckons...

Posted November 28, 2013

BWS,

I never bought a Nirvana record.

I heard 'Lithium' in 1995/6.

"I'm so happy...."

Maybe he couldn't play Barrios on guitar.

I could and I still liked him.

He/they struck a chord for me.

Dino not to be confused with ducks in to say...

Posted November 28, 2013

Lithium,

Medicine.

In the Periodic Table.

Atomic or Physical Chemistry anyone?

Or maybe CP Snow?

Dino not to be confused with is gonna tell you...

Posted November 28, 2013

Maybe Sicofarmacology?

I had have heaps of the shit.

They even syringed me and made me unconciousness.

Qualified Doctors in the NSW Health Service.

Smart people!

I argued about adrelinine and such but it didn't matter.

They were experts.

Cost me body parts.

How much do they get paid?

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Abe Frellman would have you know...

Posted November 27, 2013

Lolz. It took Morrissey's lip-synching This Charming Man into a bunch of gladioli to another level.

Therbs would have you know...

Posted November 28, 2013

Did you get the t-shirt emblazoned with:

"ITS OFFICIAL! MORRISSEY IS A TWAT"

Abe Frellman has opinions thus...

Posted November 28, 2013

Ha! Nah, I was too much of a Smiths fan (but really just a Johnny Marr fan).

Lulu would have you know...

Posted November 29, 2013

Abe, as a young 'un I used to go around to pubs with a friend who was so much of a Smiths fan she'd named her handbag 'Morrissey'. Another girl in the group, GNR fan, had also named her handbag. So the lines, "Where's Morrissey?" "Over there, on the floor next to Axl" were quite possible.

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PaulC asserts...

Posted November 27, 2013

That reminds of when Reef appeard on Hey Hey It's Saturday. They were supposed to play "Place You Hands" but did "Yer Old" instead then smashed their gear at the end. The unimpressed look on Daryl's face was priceless. I wish I could find the video of that...

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Therbs mutters...

Posted November 28, 2013

Now we're gonna have Beeso and Doc Yobbo argue about Nirvana. Reckon Kurt truly injected himself into this performance.

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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted November 28, 2013

My 17 year old daughter and her friends were at a Karaoke facility last night.
What were the highlights. I asked.
She said, two of her friends doing a rip-roaring version of Smells Like Teen Spirit.

I didn't know my daughter was even aware of the song, but, 22 years after the song's release, it does say something for it that teens are still, um, er, smelling it.

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Rob puts forth...

Posted November 28, 2013

I saw Nirvana back in 92 for a whole 45 minutes. Then Kurt stormed off stage in a huffy never to be seen again in New Zealand. He had the same problem as Nick Cave did in the 80s in NZ; an unreliable smack supply.

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Rob mumbles...

Posted November 28, 2013

speaking of pisstakes

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yankeedog mumbles...

Posted November 28, 2013

An ancient and honorable tradition it is for bands to not listen to TV people. The Rolling Stones were asked by Ed Sullivan to change the lyric from 'Let's Spend The Night Together' to 'Let's Spend Some Time Together'. Mick agreed-and promptly sang 'Let's Spend The Night Together' anyway. Sullivan, from what I heard, was none too happy. So this type of thing goes back some way.

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From Nirvana to Soundgarden to war

Posted July 3, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

Jason Everman played guitar in two of the greatest rock bands of my generation. Both kicked him out. He went to war. Actual war.

A long read from the New York Times. But worth it.

He had three drill sergeants, two of whom were sadists. Thank God it was the easygoing one who saw it. He was reading a magazine, when he slowly looked up and stared at Everman. Then the sergeant walked over, pointing to a page in the magazine. “Is this you?” It was a photo of the biggest band in the world, Nirvana. Kurt Cobain had just killed himself, and this was a story about his suicide. Next to Cobain was the band’s onetime second guitarist. A guy with long, strawberry blond curls. “Is this you?”

Everman exhaled. “Yes, Drill Sergeant.”

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insomniac reckons...

Posted July 3, 2013

It reminds me of when my daughter started playing soccer. She joined the same team as her school friend. I turned up at a preseason game. There was this guy called Mark there. He mentioned playing guitar. I asked if he was in a band. He said he played gigs with a friend of his. I didn't think any more of it. Later, after the girls had their first win, we had a pizza night. As we were walking to the restaurant, the dad of my daughter's friend and the guy were talking about a book deal, and then the dad said 'this guy's famous'. I asked why. It turns out that he's one of the founding members of ACDC, Mark Evans, and also kicked out after Bon Scott died. Now standing on the sideline of a girls soccer game, and totally suburban.

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Surtac mutters...

Posted July 3, 2013

Yes, just finished reading this myself. Awesome story.

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Rob mumbles...

Posted July 3, 2013

ah that takes me back to meeting Mark Arm from Mudhoney at a house party in Auckland in 1990. He told us, in my friends kitchen, that Mudhoney basically suck and we should wait for Nirvana.They were awesome he said. Well after seeing Nirvana and Soundgarden live, he was wrong. Mudhoney in Auckland 1990 was the best show I have ever seen.

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John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted July 3, 2013
It sort of reminds me that the vast unseen majority of people who into music fail to reap and financial reward, and always have. It's an incredibly feudal set up with the musicians as lowly serfs. Even before Napster et al.

w from brisbane is gonna tell you...

Posted July 3, 2013

On the other hand, the average person, given a month's fairly intensive training on guitar, could play the full catalogue of most pop/rock bands quite well.

Lulu is gonna tell you...

Posted July 3, 2013

w, that's a bit of a stretch.

w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted July 3, 2013

A guitar teacher friend says he can get the average person, who has never played. to a professional standard in 30 hours of supervised instruction and practice.

I 'm thinking a month, 4 weeks by 20 hrs = 80 hrs, to get quite good.
Pop music is so simple it is played by people who can't read music.

pitpat has opinions thus...

Posted July 3, 2013

I have never played a guitar but have played brass -trumpet trombone, and uphonium- at school and did a bit on the blues harp. Since my son started guitar lessons we have had guitar in the house and have since been given another couple including an acoustic bass. Anyway I bet him that I could learn the bass line to Warning by Green Day faster than he could learn and recite some of his lesson work by using the cunning method of practice. I didn't win but I did learn Fulsome Prison and now happily practice blues and country rhythms via the wonder of you tube. Practice and enjoyment for me are the keys.

Shifty Tourist ducks in to say...

Posted July 3, 2013

Its not quite that easy W.... its not a time in = skill progression situation, you really have to work at understanding it.... not just doing the same hand actions over and over..... reading music is actually not that important.... its just an instruction manual, one written in a fairly archaic language. Also modern rock (as encompassing a variery of genres but completely opposed to Pop of Muszac) had strong improvisational bases to it, which can't be taught/learnt comprehensively.... sure they can teach you the scales, and some tried and tested tricks.... but ultimately you need a strong understanding of how music works and how the instrument works.... and an aweful lot of failure. Its like suggesting somebody can become a great writer by somebody teaching you grammer for forty hours and buying a copy of the dictionary.

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted July 3, 2013

I was talking about playing, not writing. That is different and it is all about paring back; words, chords, notes.
Not sure people need a strong understanding. That is part of what makes pop music great, and not great.

I was listening to an interview with James Black, pianist and guitarist with the Rockwiz band. He was asked, was it great fun working up those duets with the stars? He said, generally, No! You ask them what key they like to sing in, they have no idea. Teaching them the song. It's a battle. It is amazing how little many understand about music, he said.

I have been listening to Marine Girls a bit this week. One of Kurt Cobain's favourite bands. I had heard Marine Girl, Tracy Thorn, being interviewed. Later, she became a pop star with Everything But The Girl. She said, Marine Girls was just some sixth form friends. They didn't have a drummer because they didn't know anyone with a drum kit. Some of it is out of tune because, Tracy said, they didn't know how to tune the guitars. Still, the music sounds pretty good. Pop music.

Shifty Tourist puts forth...

Posted July 3, 2013

Speaking as one of those lowly serfs, I can say, Damn straight.... we struggled, we gave it our all... but financial reward, HA... broke even on a self-funded EP.... largely because of friends and family pitched in to buy them.

Why? Because the MAN kept us down, oh, also because we were a head of our time, and the sheeple weren't ready to have their minds blown.... oh.. yeah...... welll.... that and because we were pretty shit.

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted July 3, 2013

Bad luck, Shifty.
Getting other people to buy your original pop music, that is an enigma wrapped in a mystery.

NBlob has opinions thus...

Posted July 3, 2013

Setting: Int. Panelled room. Lit fireplace. Deep leather armchair

Costume: Smoking robe. Slippers.

*Narator snaps book shut and adresses camera directly.*

Narator: "And that. Right there, proves Birmo's point about Subthread discussions. Curse him."

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 3, 2013

Shifty is right, though, w. Most people can learn to play the notes with enough practice and training. But you can hear when their heart isn't in it. There's actually quite a range of differences, like simple vs complex, easy vs virtuoso, expressive vs mechanical.

It's also why the more respected musical genres mix a lot of things, including improvisation. Dunno if you remember a TV show about a band in the 80s called Sweet and Sour, but there's a scene in it where they teach a random non-musical guy (maybe the singer's boyfriend, don't remember) to play bass for their songs in about 5 minutes. It's a big stretch from that to playing any part to Bohemian Rhapsody. That's not saying it's that hard to learn, but if you think in terms of depth first versus breadth first algorithms, that is more the way to understand it.

FWIW Nirvana was relatively musically sophisticated compared to most of their peers (a trait they shared with The Triffids, who were supposed to be one of their big influences). But it's not hard to learn to play (Lithium might be the track I'm thinking of here).

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted July 3, 2013

I remember when the unplugged Nirvana concert was first aired in
1993. I happened to be with a pile of musos. People liked Nirvana. There was no bitchiness. But, as the concert unfolded, people started looking at each other. He was a poor guitarist. He wasn't a good guitarist, playing simply. He really was just a very limited guitar player. People were surprised. Some of the songs were good. Some strong vocals. But his guitar ability was very poor. There was genuine surprise in the room.

I remember reading an interview with Branford Marsalis towards the end of his playing days with Sting. He was asked for his impressions. He said, Sting was fine to work with, but he got a bit annoyed talking to the rock crowd. Sting's rock friends would ask about music, Marsalis said I would try to talk about it as simply as possibly, they would stop me. "Hey dude, I just play by feel." They would smile and nod at their own awesomeness.

Marsalis said, it was as if I spent all those years practicing for 10 hours a day because I didn't really like music.

w from brisbane is gonna tell you...

Posted July 3, 2013

Of course, it would be fun to bat around the idea that there is no heart in music anymore because of dynamic range compression.

That right. The Loudness Wars!

Rob reckons...

Posted July 3, 2013

Its hard work not telling your kids to not follow their dreams. I have one son who is at uni doing engineering and is a great guitarist, hes very pragmatic and is looking at the degree to subsidise his music making. and My other son is an amazing artist, who wants to make computer art. I keep trying to talk him out of art school,(mainly because i went and it was shonky crap) he finally relented and is doing fine arts and computer gaming design combined. Phew, aussie pragmatism wins again.

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Darth Greybeard mutters...

Posted July 3, 2013

If he was one of your characters, we'd scoff at him for being unbelievable. As for the rewards I once had a heart-to-heart with my young bro-in-law about going into music for a living. Don't do it I said, very few people even scratch a living from it I said, will you still be doing this when you're 50 I said. Finish school first I said. Fortunately he ignored me completely (see kids, you can ignore old people and it will turn out fine).

Also watching a friend of my son's who wants to be a writer. Young family, pain of rejection, self-doubt. Bloody hard road for anyone in any of the creative fields to be sure.

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Surtac mutters...

Posted July 3, 2013

Too right GB. Translating creativity into a reasonable living isn't something I'd want to have to attempt.

The irony of our host's self-description on Twitter ("I write for food.") is not lost on me.

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Murphy ducks in to say...

Posted July 3, 2013

Once you get past the band material, you get what most professional soldiers are truly like.

I do find it strange and somewhat sad that Everman was thrown out of two bands because of his moods. I'm also gratified that the Army didn't hold it against him. Moodiness and the military doesn't always combine well either but then he had the best thing going for him.

He kept quiet. If you can do that in uniform, you'll go far.

Certainly something I have never been able to master.

Respects,

Murph

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PaulC reckons...

Posted July 3, 2013

I was wondering what had happened to Everman after he left Mindfunk...

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AkaSlymann asserts...

Posted July 3, 2013
There is also Deniz Tek who wrote songs, sang and played guitar for the very awesome punk band Radio Birdman among a bunch of others.

He as far as my memory goes was also a Marine, an emergency room surgeon (I think he did this for the marines as well as a civi) and flew in the rear seat in Phantom fighter jets. His callsign was Iceman and apparently that's where the producers of Top Gun got the idea for the Val Kilma character.

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BrianC mumbles...

Posted July 4, 2013

I fair shit a brick when i read that article.

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pi has opinions thus...

Posted July 5, 2013

Criminy... that is just about the most amazing thing I've ever read. You couldn't write a script like that.

John Birmingham reckons...

Posted July 5, 2013

You wouldn't write a script like that.

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Posted July 9, 2013

Fantastic article! I spent many years trying to 'make it' and can attest it is basically luck of the draw. Years ago, I was in a great band doing really good things. We were popular with our peers, we had a good following and a successful and, more importantly, a money-making release. Despite working our proverbials off, we never seemed to be in the right place at the right time. We watched a number of bands around us achieve much more with far less work. This is still the state of play, which is why a show like 'Exhumed: the Best Bands You've Never Heard Of' can exist.

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Driving Playlist

Posted June 10, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

Threw this one out to Twitter. This is what they threw back. It skews towards accelerated listening.


Lloyd, I'm Ready To Be Heartbroken
Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country

This Is The Day
The The - Soul Mining


Jesus Built My Hotrod
Ministry - Jesus Built My Hotrod


Cars (Remix) Fear Factory - The Best of Fear Factory

Foreign Language (Flight Facilities Extended Mix)
Flight Facilities - Foreign Language Remixes


Better Get A Lawyer
The Cruel Sea - Three Legged Dog


Goofy's Concern
Butthole Surfers - Independent Worm Saloon


The Pretender
Foo Fighters - The Pretender


All These Things That I've Done
The Killers - Hot Fuss (int'l)


Satan Is My Motor
Cake - Prolonging the Magic


Pictures of Home (1997 Remix)
Deep Purple - Machine Head - 25th Anniversary Edition


Go With The Flow
Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf (UK Version)


Born To Run
Bruce Springsteen - Greatest Hits


Apartment Story
The National - Boxer


Birds
Anouk - Birds


Army Of Me
Björk - Post


Aloha Steve & Dano
The Casanovas - Heartbeat


Hey Friend
Jeff The Brotherhood - We Are The Champions


Heavy Days
Jeff The Brotherhood - Heavy Days

Whiskey In The Jar (Full Length Version)
Thin Lizzy - Whiskey In The Jar

Territorial Pissings
Nirvana - Nevermind


Smells Like Teen Spirit
Nirvana - Nevermind


The Songs They Played As I Drove Away
Tim Rogers & The Twin Set - What Rhymes With Girls And Cars


Needle
Born Ruffians - Needle - Single


Jazz Devil
Barry Adamson - The Murky World Of Barry Adamson


The King Of Rock'n'Roll
Daniel Lioneye - The King Of Rock 'n' Roll


Voodoo Cadillac
Southern Culture on the Skids - Southern Culture on the Skids Live at Maxwell's 06/28/2004


Ocean Size
Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking

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BigWillieStyle puts forth...

Posted June 10, 2013

"Insane in the Brain" - Cypress Hill

"Axegrinder" - Hoodoo Gurus

"Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" - Big & Rich

"Heart's Done Time" - Aerosmith

"The Girl Tried to Kill Me" - Ice T

"Tangled Up In Blue" - Sir Bob

Rhino is gonna tell you...

Posted June 11, 2013

That list rocks. All it needs is some "Like a Hurricane" - Neil Young

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tqft would have you know...

Posted June 10, 2013

You not like my taste in music. Evil evil man. Maybe just different.

John Birmingham is gonna tell you...

Posted June 10, 2013

Looking for stuff I didnt have

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Bangar has opinions thus...

Posted June 10, 2013

Bat Out Of Hell,just reminding.

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BigWillieStyle ducks in to say...

Posted June 10, 2013

Forgot one;

"The Boy With the Arab Strap" - Belle & Sebastian

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jcdmusing swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted June 10, 2013

How can you have missed the greatest driving song of all time :-

Radar Love by The Dutch band Golden Earring.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AD5fX4sveo

Rhino is gonna tell you...

Posted June 11, 2013

And "Twilight Zone" by Golden Earring as well.

Love that song.

Birmo - that could be Caitlyn's theme song.

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Microbe74 has opinions thus...

Posted June 10, 2013

bit late coming into it but here goes anyway

Time to Switch to Whiskey - The Corb Lund Band

Shark Fin Blues - The Drones

Cadence to Arms - Dropkick Murphys

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pitpat has opinions thus...

Posted June 11, 2013

Battle of Evermore -Led Zep. On the lonely flooded Hay Plain at night going to Byron Bay.

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Ali mutters...

Posted June 11, 2013

I think they forgot Cadillac and a Mustang by Dan Sultan.

Especially if you're still in an On The Road kinda mind.

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Rob mutters...

Posted June 11, 2013

Thought I would join in, basically this is what I listen to when driving.

Electric Six- Jimmy Carter

Diana Anaid- Perfect Family

DC3- The Gathering

Lamb of God- requiem

Cosmo Jarvis - Maxine

Minsitry - The last Sucker

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insomniac would have you know...

Posted June 11, 2013

did you post this on behalf of the chauffeur?

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Bunyip ducks in to say...

Posted June 11, 2013

Yeah, but. It's one thing to listen to something with a high BPM whilst playing dodgems with the nutters on the way out of Smelburg/Sidni/Brisvegas, and another whilst you cruise along something long and relaxed like the New England or Newell Highways (in NSW) (cannot be fcuked thinking of Queensland analogues)

Mind you, to enter in the spirit of this thread my suggestions for transurban freeway defensive driving:

Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell The Stooges

Search and Destroy Iggy and the Stooges

Descent Into the Maelstrom Radio Birdman

When out west of the Divide, I'm probably listening to Arvo Part or some other wanky thinky crap.

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Rhino mutters...

Posted June 11, 2013

"Changes of Latitude, Changes of Attitude" - Jimmy Buffett

"Paradise by the Dashboard Lights" - Meatloaf

"Catholic Girls" - Frank Zappa

"Friends in Low Places" - Garth Brooks

"Alice's Restaurant" - Arlo Guthrie

"Wasn't That a Party" - The Irish Rovers

"I'm Shipping Up to Boston" - Dropkick Murphys

"Scotland the Brave"

Ippy Percival ducks in to say...

Posted June 11, 2013

I used to do a cover of Alice's Restaurant. I had most of the monologue word for word, but would usually modify it heavily as is the way of such things (and also make it a bit shorter). Keeping that fingerpicking riff going under a monologue is a fantastic exercise no matter what you end up bleating on about anyhow.

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Bondiboy66 would have you know...

Posted June 11, 2013

AAaah many classic driving tunes there. Some more in a fast and thrashy vein:

455SD - Radio Birdman

War of the Gods - Amon Amarth

Master of Puppets - originally Metallica, but go for the version by Trivium

Progenies of Great Apocalypse - Dimmu Borgir

Nocturnal Fear - Celtic Frost

Well they are some of MY favourites anyway.

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yankeedog mutters...

Posted June 11, 2013

'Ramblin' Man'-Allman Brothers

'Red Barchetta'-Rush

'Take It Easy'-Eagles (c'mon, that's gotta be on the list for someone other than me. Well, maybe not)

'Ghost Riders In The Sky'-preferably, Johnny Cash's version

I'll second Rhino's 'Changes In Latitudes, Changes In Attitudes'

'Twilight Zone'-Golden Earring

'Mississippi Mud'-Hank Williams III (Ol' Hank's grandson is usually on the YD playlist somewhere)

'Middle of the Road'-Pretenders

'Marche Slave'-Tchaikovskiy. Perfect for cranking up when pulled up next to someone's thumping bass.

And, of course, 'I've Been Everywhere'-again, prefer Cash's version, but will cheerfully play the original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjm3zSCjNoU

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Ippy Percival asserts...

Posted June 11, 2013

I like a driving list that has Jesus Built my Hotrod in it. From The Cruel Sea, I'd probably put Down Below in the driving list, just because that surf guitar tells me a story on a big open highway. Too much Nirvana, I'd just include Lithium. The obvious Triffids song is way too cheesy, and I'm afraid I would probably find Born to Run fits in the same category, though some other Springsteen might do it for me. Not that I think it's by any shot a bad song.

I'd rather Gary Numan doing Cars, and Queen doing We are the Champions, but might not trouble with the latter (but maybe Don't stop me now). And actually I'd go Are Friends Electric ahead of Cars anyway.

Oh and my driving list has Pepper and TV Star from the Butthole Surfers' Electric Larryland album. Just because the first one sounds great in a car up loud and the second one is... well, kinda sweet and mentions a cute doggie.

There's something by Andy Prieboy that I keep thinking would be a great driving song, but I don't think it's ever made it to my car. From the album with the Wendy song he did with the woman from Concrete Blonde. Forget the name of the track. But anyway...

If I'm feeling energetic and silly I like Verdi's Requiem up loud. And Holst's Jupiter. A nice big recording of Bach's B minor Mass is very welcome in my car, too, and I might even not sing the bass part along.

Most of the time if I want music I want soothing and often enough ABC Classic FM does it for me. But what the hey...

Surtac would have you know...

Posted June 13, 2013

Ippy, that was Tomorrow Wendy with Johnette Napolitano. Great song, btw.

Hmmn. While I'm here, I have to point out that Porcupine Tree have some great driving music that I love to play loud when travelling solo. My faves would include these tracks:

Arriving Somewhere But Not Here

Lazarus

Voyage 34

Russia On Ice

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Churba has opinions thus...

Posted June 11, 2013

A few I've been grooving to in The Mighty Van lately:

The Rolling stones - Doom and Gloom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPFGWVKXxm0

Butterfingers - FIGJAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyzrKPcLpBw

Pretty much anything by the Black Keys, but right now in Particular, Lonely Boy and Gold on the Ceiling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yCIDkFI7ew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_426RiwST8

WAX - Rosana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0aRb4rAq0I

Gary Clark Jr - Don't owe you a thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFIWstcaoLc

A bunch of Mashups, like this:
AC/DC vs Queen (Plus Robert Plant and friends) - Rock in Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LrL5zSlW_

The Beatles vs LCD Soundsystem - The Brits are playing at my house
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPtWh5XjiH0

PSY vs Ray Parker Jr - Gagnam Busters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82LCKBdjywQ

Queen vs The Beatles - Fat Bottom Girls Come Together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMGo7H5-a0A

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Rob ducks in to say...

Posted June 12, 2013

Radar Love you say? Ministry you say? Doors..roadhouse blues. Rolling Stones.

You pretty much only need two CDs and thats Minsitry and Co-conspirators covers albums. Which has everything from Doors, to louis armstrong and Amy Winehouse http://youtu.be/gmUKK_AGRNI

Churba mumbles...

Posted June 12, 2013

If you like Amy Winehouse even a little, you should check out Clairy Brown and the Bangin' Rackettes.

Rob has opinions thus...

Posted June 13, 2013

When TISM's Damian Cowell mentioned Clairy Browne in an interview. I thought it was some sort of post modern joke. I randomly googled the name and ended up buying the CD from bandcamp about 3 minutes later. Totally brilliant.

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Music in space

Posted May 26, 2013 into Music by John Birmingham

Everyone should have seen Commander Chris Hadfield's cover of the Bowie classic Major Tom by now. If you haven't, shame on you. Here 'tis.

In the vid below, shot before he took off, he talks about about how important music can be to the astronauts, cosmonauts, whatevernauts up there. And I have to say it's something I never thought of. The latest Apple ad, featuring nothing more than people groovin to their phones' itunes libraries, does a great job of reminding us how important music can be to us as a species. And yet you almost never see it in SF.

It was important enough to the space agencies involved in the ISS to commission a bespoke guitar.

Somebody, Blarkon or Damien probably, will now interject with three examples of seminal space operas featuring the protagonists playlists as pivotal plot devices. But I don't recall any, and that's all that counts.

Watch the vid. It's fascinating, especially if you've seen Hadfield's Bowie act.

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yankeedog has opinions thus...

Posted May 26, 2013

I did see the video, and Cmdr. Hadfield does a fine job.

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BobGrrl ducks in to say...

Posted May 26, 2013

I dunno about protagonist playlists from space operas, but the music in the Battlestar Galactica remake became an important part of the plot by the end of the show. (In addition to it being easily the best original soundtrack from any TV show I've ever heard.)

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NicF would have you know...

Posted May 26, 2013

Speaking of BSG, Bear McRearys version of All Along the Watchtower remains my favourite of all time.

But while trying to think of SF with music as a centrepiece I couldn't come up with anything except that great Futarama episode with Fry learning that silly instrument.

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Lobes asserts...

Posted May 26, 2013
  1. Close encounters of the Third Kind
  2. The Fifth Element
  3. Cloud Atlas

You're Welcome

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JBtoo reckons...

Posted May 26, 2013

Anne McCaffrey's Crystal Singer & Ship Who Sang books. Not exactly seminal, but SF all the same.

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Dylwah puts forth...

Posted May 26, 2013

William Gibson uses music s bit, there was the dub of the rasters in space in Neuromancer, and a punk band in one of the 'Bridge' books.

Arthur C. Clarke used toccata and fugue in d minor in one of his short stories set on mars. Can't remember the name tho.

I think my favorite music in a sci fi flick is "Hardware" with PiL and Iggy as the radio dj. (Sorry mr Williams. )

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Mark Duffett reckons...

Posted May 26, 2013

It's not in the film, but there is a passage in Arthur C Clarke's novel of 2001: A Space Odyssey where David Bowman 'more alone than any man in human history' after disabling HAL, tries to take solace in a range of operatic pieces including Dies Irae before eventually (from memory) settling on Bach.

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w from brisbane is gonna tell you...

Posted May 26, 2013

Dave Lister's favourite band was Rastabilly Skank. Rimmer was very familiar with their work, but greatly disliked them.

In the novel, there was some more detail about Rastabilly Skank. Amongst other songs, reference is made to Rastabilly Skank's popular love ballad,
"Hey baby, don't be ovulating tonight".

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Dino not to be confused with asserts...

Posted May 26, 2013

JB

That's a nice sounding geetar!

He can sing as well and I noticed a Dsus4 and G chord in there so I petition he do a version of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.

Of course they'll have to lift up a Les Paul, Fender Twin Reverb Amp(original vibra) and a Jimi Hendrix wah wah pedal.

John Birmingham is gonna tell you...

Posted May 26, 2013

From the YouTube evidence, he did quite a few covers up there.

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damian is gonna tell you...

Posted May 26, 2013

I'm sure there must have been a reference to music at some point in Keith Laumer's Retief! stories. Can't quite remember... I liked some of the musical themes in Banks' stuff , the latest one as well as Look to Windward - but I suppose that is different to the sort of thing you mean.

Does seem to be relatively little explored, and I'd have thought it's more about how much extra imagination it takes and the near certainty of going wrong.

Anthony mumbles...

Posted May 27, 2013

The one that makes a ukelele sound good? The Antagonistic Undecagonstring that needs four arms to play...

There's also the baddies in Eric Flints Empire novels. Course of Empire and Crucible of Empire. The Ekhat are a rather unpleasant xenophobic lot of musical nasties who are so bad that any sort of rythmic sound terrifies the various species who have come into contact with them.

John Ringo's Legacy of the Aldenata series also contains a significant playlist. Someone's put together a (not definitive) YouTube playlist for the seriest at http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBE19F761F632BEF3

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DNABeast asserts...

Posted May 27, 2013

I'm a much bigger fan of ISS - Is Someone Singing where Cmdr. Hadfield sings along with Ed Robinson and the Barenaked Ladies.

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JG asserts...

Posted May 27, 2013

Commander H did a brilliant cover. He's a pretty good singer for an astronaut. A couple of flat notes at the start, but he gave a credible performance and hit all the high notes. I wonder if he'll go on tour now.

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Bondiboy66 mumbles...

Posted May 27, 2013

Star Trek, the original series - Spock hangs out with the Space Hippies and plays a....somethingorother that is sort of guitar-like.

damian ducks in to say...

Posted May 27, 2013

Sure, Bondi. But that really doesn't explain this.

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