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Advice upon finding that your staunch opposition to strip clubs has led you to vote for more strip clubs

Posted March 11, 2014 into Blunty by John Birmingham

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S.M. Stirling ducks in to say...

Posted March 11, 2014

"Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue."

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AKM. swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 11, 2014

Just get a job at Woolies in Byron Bay. Babes....Babes, everywhere. Fresh off the beach and damn near nekkid. Not to mention all the hot young six-packed backpacker blokes who just make me feel old and weary beaing in the same building as them........

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Conspiracy Cat mutters...

Posted March 12, 2014

I'm no good at pole dancing. Or irish dancing. Or german dancing.....

w from brisbane asserts...

Posted March 12, 2014

Cicero (106BC-43BC : Roman lawyer, orator and politician) summed it up neatly.

Nemo enim fere saltat sobrius, nisi forte insanit.
No one dances sober, unless he is insane.

AuntyLou has opinions thus...

Posted March 12, 2014

Ahh...W! Thanks for that. You have now given my hubby his motto and/or excuse!

Brother PorkChop mutters...

Posted March 12, 2014

Mine is always, "I am dancing...on the inside!"

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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted March 12, 2014

In defence of the honorable member, Mr. Vaughan Johnson, he admitted he was not across all the detail and implications of the Liquor (Red Tape Reduction) and Other Legislation Amendment Bill.
What Mr. Johnson spoke about was the removal of the provision that alcohol can only be served by people formally trained in the provision of alcohol. Which in practice meant that publicans in remote Queensland could not travel more that 1 hour from their premises, and also, Mr. Johnson couldn't get a beer at his barber's. Pole sports never entered the honourable member's mind.

Looking at the Hansard for 20 November 2013, Mr Johnson addressed the Parliament thus:

Mr JOHNSON: ........I notice that hairdressers will now be able to serve a couple of glasses of wine or a couple of beers to their clients. That might encourage me to get a haircut more often. I will check out Gaby Janho’s at Longreach when I go home and see if he has a fridge in there with a few stubbies in it. If you see me with shorter hair in future you will know that Gaby has beer in the fridge.

I think this is very good legislation. Although I am a Catholic, I have not touched on those amendments in this bill that relate to the Catholic Church. I do not know a lot about that part of this legislation, but I will say that I did not see anything in there about liquor licensing in relation to the Catholic Church. I know the Catholics like a drink. Most of us come from Irish stock

An honourable member: And the Proddos

Mr JOHNSON: The Proddos too

An honourable member: But not the Lutherans.

Mr JOHNSON: The Lutherans too? I heard that. The point I make is that years ago my wife, my mother-in-law, my brother-in-law, and his wife went on a trip to Ireland. They had a bit of a look around and then come Sunday morning the women went to mass and the men went to the pub. I thought, Well, that’s the Catholic way. However, not all of us blokes go to the pub. Sometimes I go to church. I think that this legislation has put a bit of fun back into life. It has taken that red tape, that regulation, that restriction out of living.........I say to the Attorney-General that this legislation is going to bring a lot of joy to a lot of people.

Mr Johnson was certainly correct with his last sentence, though not entirely for the reasons he expected.

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Conspiracy Cat reckons...

Posted March 12, 2014

Well that's it, then. Mr Johnson's objection is that the dancing ladies should be in church and not writhing around on fireman's equipment. Firemen.... shirtless, muscled, sweaty firemen....

Um, what were we talking about?

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The quiet weeping of POTUS

Posted March 6, 2014 into Blunty by John Birmingham

Minutes of an Intelligence Briefing

The Oval Office.

Subject: UKRAINE/RUSSIA

Present:

POTUS
General Biff McBrisket (Head of NSA)
Admiral ‘Big’ Dick ‘Nautical’ Miles. USN Ret’d. (Head of CIA)
Sir Talbot Duckenweave (Head of UK SIS)


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Murphy mumbles...

Posted March 6, 2014

Thank God the Straylians still have a sense of humor.

Certainly a massive improvement over the full on fucking derpfest that has been Jonathan Ross at Loncon3 versus the PC Nazis of the World.

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Murph

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John Birmingham ducks in to say...

Posted March 6, 2014

Ha. I was gonna blog about that later.

Murphy swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 6, 2014

I'm looking forward to that one. This insanity has been going on for years.

Respects,

Murph

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Brother PorkChop swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 6, 2014

pic.twitter.com/v9pkD2UDAA
Needed this one today JB. But it did start this morning with the knock knock joke which I had a giggle at as well.

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Sometimes satire isn't meant to be funny

Posted February 20, 2014 into Blunty by John Birmingham

Today is one of those days.

Dateline. Canberra.

Champagne corks popped and streamers flew here yesterday, as Government supporters celebrated the violent death of an Iranian man at the Arse End Island Prison Camp. Regime pimps and spokesholes partied into the night after word was received that hired goons had killed the man who once had a name and people who loved him, and who, in a delicious irony, had been fleeing another violent and oppressive regime and really was just hoping hoping to start a new life somewhere that sort of thing didn’t happen.

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Jbtoo ducks in to say...

Posted February 20, 2014

In the spirit of Jonathan Swift

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BigWillieStyle mutters...

Posted February 20, 2014

John, I'll be astounded if today's Blunty gets more than a dozen comments.

* coughs *

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insomniac would have you know...

Posted February 20, 2014

the derp is already overwhelming

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HAVOCK21 reckons...

Posted February 20, 2014

Hmmm, cannot seem to login to Blunty today, some shit about security certificates and god knows what, so I’ll post here JB for a re-paste if you would be so kind Sir!

Concentration camp has been mentioned, or somebody here abouts requesting that we provide the definition of, I would wager so as to be able to lay that tag on MANNNNNNNUS. Well how about we send them to Paris ISLAND instead.

Actually, I’m still struggling with the view that we simply LET ANYBODY IN! it’s a case of the fkn dooo gooders saying we should be kind, let them in, let them roam etc etc etc and FKN ETC! And like always, they have no answer for HOW do we control it, keep tabs, vet them etc. Its simply toooo fkn easy to say what you are doing is wrong, its MUCH FKN HARDER TO SAY NO AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING WHICH A LOT WONT LIKE BUT AGAIN!!! ITS FJKN ERRING ON THE SIDE OF FKN CAUTION. BUT AGAIN HALF THE FKN AIR THOIEVING FKN RETARDS WOULD NOT KNOW THAT AND WOULD BE PSISSING THEMSELVES IN THE FKN CORNER WHEN IT TURNS TO CUSTARD!!!

Yes, having a holding facility is not ideal……..but what, you would rather piut tem all up in condos at BYRON BAY…or the GOLD COAST…..or MALOOOOLAFKN BAR!. OH NO……..see how ya like it when they are all fkn roaming about your tree higging dope smoking surfin fkn not working eating lentils neck of the fkn woooods!

FK! THIS MAKES ME ANGRY!

Here is a thought!, if the DETENTION CAMPS are NOT what you like, then…DON’T FKN COME HERE ILLEGALLY! And guess what!, you wont be locked up for ILLEGALLY TRYING TO ENTER THE COUNTRY!

Lulu swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 20, 2014

"Its simply toooo fkn easy to say what you are doing is wrong, its MUCH FKN HARDER TO SAY NO AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING"

Yeah, kind of like the LNP's journey from Opposition to Govt.

HAVOCK21 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 20, 2014

Both sides were tripping over themselves to show the Australian Public just how good and tough they would be, to be honest, I’m not really interested in the political side of this. Politicians will always favour what they perceive to be in their own best interests and I’m sure you will agree to some extent.

What is an issue is that people think, they may come here illegally. Yes, I know, some are genuine refugee’s, but like all vetting, you much hold the inbound goods or materials until you are sure its what you wish to let through. If something untoward gets through and then, you detect it was present, it’s so much harder to remove. Bigger issues around general customs requirements with massive economic impacts could surface.

I’m not one for keeping people in bad conditions, I’m also not one for people to be mistreated, but we cannot do anything. Borders must be patrolled, persons entering must do so by the right method and we have to have places to hold them whilst we sort out what’s going on.

And there ls one of the issues, whilst we sort out the sheep from the stray wolf in the mob things are turning to custard. That’s a product of the speed with which we are processing these people, its also a contributing factor to their state of mind, the manner in which they treat our staff and also how the behave.

No matter which gummit is in power, they need to resource and manage the department which is processing these people and be held to account for the length on time they are held. I’m not going to propose a limit on the time, that’s daft, but their needs to be some rather clear and transparent metrics on this and when they are being breached, we can scream blue murder. I’m not convinced that we have adequately resourced the departments in the correct area. That’s making gummit bigger and yes, I do cringe at the thought, but they simply need to be assessed faster and the result enforced.

Dave W mumbles...

Posted February 20, 2014

FK me. Havock making sense.

Yes, resource it. Yes, there has to be some way of working out who is coming in and whether they are who they say they are. I'm deeply uncomfortable with the answer being detention centres, and would prefer some kind of minimum security holiday camp type arrangement.

I am deeply, deeply, profoundly outraged that the current policy is to utilise another jurisdiction and, apparently, no prospect of settlement in Australia. That is, if not stupidly illegal, just plain immoral.

beeso swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 20, 2014

Have a look at the stats of how many aren't genuine refugees once they have been processed. Then read your statement again.

Lulu has opinions thus...

Posted February 20, 2014

I was just making a general point about how the LNP behaved in opposition, not just on this issue. Abbott spent a lot of time pointing out how Labor was doing things wrong, and it was easy because he didn't actually have to fix the problem himself at that time.

Dave W ducks in to say...

Posted February 20, 2014

Beeso, not sure what the intent of your statement is, or if it was directed to me, Havock or Lulu. However, regardless of whether 99.9% are genuine or the complete opposite, humans shouldn't treat humans this way. Hell, I don't go to zoos because I don't believe animals should be treated that way. And here we are in this situation. What a freaking mess.

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted February 20, 2014

I think he was talking to H.

damian mumbles...

Posted February 20, 2014

The trouble is that the department in question has form for hiring the muntiest cat munters to do these jobs, and we see activities that only make sense when you consider people's desparate need to justify their budgets. This feeds into the same department's other history of exceeding its mandate and otherwise doing stupid evil in the world.

damian is gonna tell you...

Posted February 20, 2014

Also, Havsy's presenting the false dichotomy, then pretending that all the quite reasonable discussion that's been around for fucking ever never existed. And for what it's worth, anyone who can use the term "do gooder" as a derogatory label deserves to be slapped hard.

Ben puts forth...

Posted February 21, 2014

I really wonder why the thought of putting refugee applicants in beachside condo's makes someone "FKN ANGRY!" It can't be the cost, because Byron Bay or Mooloolaba five star resorts would be far cheaper than Manus.

That aside, the original poster ought to do a little research, there's been plenty of discussion of alternative "processing" measures. The straightforward idea, and one which complies with the treaties Australia signed up to voluntarily, would be: short detention for security/customs checks, then community placement with a temp visa while you wait a few months for some public servants to push all the paper around. Regular check ins as if you were on parole. Hell, we could put them up somewhere quite decent and with good food for way less than the cost of Manus. We could also, many have suggested, require the fit adults to work, say by placing them somewhere rural that needs them. This would, of course, be for a limited time during and after a successful application/appeals process.

Does anything about that "solution" make anyone angry?

Wonky Donkey reckons...

Posted February 23, 2014

Yes, zero element of deterrent. All illegal activities must have some firm of deterrent, otherwise many borderline good will also turn bad, it's called gaming the system.

The process for Genuine migrants in all countries is time consuming. So the illegal route must present more speed humps to have an appropriate incentivisation system.

Open the borders, and watch politicians egged on by the electorate dismantle the social safety net...ala the good old USA which went from zero to hero in a little over 100 years. Okay borders weren't open, but near enough compared to today.

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Murphy mutters...

Posted February 20, 2014

We used to have journalism like that here Stateside once.

Not anymore.

Respects,

Murph

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Lobes has opinions thus...

Posted February 20, 2014

This is a very good analysis of whats driving the tensions in Manus at the moment

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/pacific/radio/program/pacific-beat/pacific-correspondent-says-manus-staff-subject-to-racial-vilification/1267908

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Quokka has opinions thus...

Posted February 20, 2014

Pinch me, but What Lobes Said.

We were watching 7.30 Report the other night & they were reporting that the asylum seekers were freaking out because they didn't know anything about PNG culture & were afraid they were cannibals.

The locals are none too pleased at having their land appropriated by the White Masters (seriously, is it still 1790? or is that just how the LNP thinks. Never mind, don't answer that.) and they believe that if people are in jail it's because they've done something bad and they don't want criminals next door to their homes.

Added to which there's a serious lack of communication. People from war-torn countries do carry a certain amount of baggage (anxiety, suspicion, frayed nerves, and often PTSD) and it's just a recipe for disaster.

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Darth Greybeard swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 24, 2014

As you were people, all is about to be well. In an audacious and totally unexpected (because it's bat-shit crazy) diplomatic masterstroke, Julie Bishop is organising the removal of refugees to Cambodia. Yep. 20% living in poverty, 40% of children with malnutrition, run by a brutal ex-Khmer-Rouge strongman Cambodia. That one. Judging by the latest crackdowns, we won't be hearing from them again.

w from brisbane mutters...

Posted February 24, 2014

I am reminded of Tom Lehrer, the great American master of the satirical song. He was the composer of songs like - Poisoning Pigeons in the Park, Vatican Rag, Wernher von Braun. Lehrer commented that the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to Henry Kissinger made political satire obsolete.

I think we are having one of those moments.

Dave W reckons...

Posted February 24, 2014

True dat, W.

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Punishing the witness

Posted February 13, 2014 into Blunty by John Birmingham

Traditionally, I have very little regard for state government policies on school bullying. Now I have even less.

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HAVOCK21 is gonna tell you...

Posted February 13, 2014

i see the reatrtds are as fkn fast as ever at BT FKN WE GET TO YA COOOOMENT WHEN WE FKN LIKE!!

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sibeen is gonna tell you...

Posted February 13, 2014

Nice blog, JB.

You lot are really entering some new form of dark ages up there. Joh would be very proud.

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Blarkon would have you know...

Posted February 13, 2014

In a decade or so, all kids will be wearing wearable computers - so there will be more recording in the schools.

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Miss Maudy puts forth...

Posted February 13, 2014

Chaos has been sort of bullied off and on since prep by the same thick witted kid and his equally thick witted thugly mate - how does the school choose to deal with it? Put them in the same class because oh yay. That totally makes sense. And to compound it, let's sit them at the same desk so bully boy can break stuff 'accidentally' and oops, shoot him with a rubber band that slipped, miss, I didn't mean to shoot him. Sly kicks in the playground, bit of verbal slap down when nobody can hear. Oh, can't you take a joke when he gathers up the courage to complain.

Oh, boys will be boys and are you sure he's not over-reacting?

I'd like to over-react on the little thug myself, but sure as anything someone would record the bloody thing. And they'd believe that!

John Birmingham ducks in to say...

Posted February 14, 2014

We had this problem for a while. Until I told the school I'd given my daughter permission to use whatever force she thought necessary to bring any physcial harassment to an end. Having infomred them of that, I then infomred they'd be liable if she broke his arm.

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w from brisbane mumbles...

Posted February 13, 2014

Perhaps inappropriately, but I am reminded of when the film of awful prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib was shown. Donald Rumsfeld said he has acted immediately to stop this.

What have you done, Mr Rumsfeld?

I have banned digital cameras, camcorders and cellphones with cameras in military compounds in Iraq.

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Nocturnalist has opinions thus...

Posted February 13, 2014

Yeah, I see from these remarks and a few over there that I wasn't the first to see this as part of a bigger pattern, a bigger attitude.

"No, you do not get to make recordings, of anything at all, ever. Recordings are for People In Authority to make, for our own purposes, and you don't get to question them or see them. Be silent and obey."

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HAVOCK21 would have you know...

Posted February 14, 2014

All recordings should be through an optical magnification device with attached range finder.

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Darth Greybeard mutters...

Posted February 14, 2014

Could have had a good rave over there with all the examples I saw back in the teaching days. But I don't have any answers. Some kids are bullies, so are some of my former fellow teachers, so are quite a few principals etc. Like any whistleblower anywhere in any organisation if you point it out, you can forget promotion and look forward to rewarding opportunities at the worst school they can send you to.

Trouble is, whichever party is in power, education is an expense with no immediate look-at-what-we-did returns. So you hand it to a department head who is on a contract for big bucks. Want it renewed? Cut, cut, cut the costs and smother the bad publicity. The bullying starts at the top. Nothing will change until the bosses are paid to solve problems rather than hide them.

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Big Ass iPhone Experiment

Posted February 11, 2014 into Blunty by John Birmingham

I wrote this on Sunday, originally for the Burger, and was going to post it yesterday. But I thought it looked like it could use a wider audience (and derpier comment thread) so off to Blunty it went.

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NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted February 11, 2014

#askingForAFriend

One handed pR0n?

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pi asserts...

Posted February 11, 2014

Ha... I got a fitbit a few weeks back. Loving/hating it.

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Dave W asserts...

Posted February 11, 2014

I was worried we were talking about a big arse-phone, and that somehow I'd yet again missed the technological zeitgeist.

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Darth Greybeard is gonna tell you...

Posted February 11, 2014

Boring lot over there. Tried to lower the tone but no joy.

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A blog purpose built for Messrs Orin and Barnes

Posted February 6, 2014 into Blunty by John Birmingham

The creationist science teacher.

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Hooper asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

Oh, My, God. JB, you've done it again.

Reading some of those comments are going to keep me entertained all day. +1 good Sir.

Ray Comfort (from NZ, but I'm waiting for the day that Australia claims him) is another one of K-Hams ilk.

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Dave W asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

I've definitely reached the point where I agree that science debating religion is pointless. It puts the two on an equal footing, where clearly they're not. Indeed, they're not even the same topic. Plus it gives the ignorant creationists credence.

Sub question for JB: which gets more communts- climate change, creationism v science or those damn cycling hippies who keep getting hit by cars?

BigWillieStyle has opinions thus...

Posted February 7, 2014

I believe JB once did a blog about cycling scientists who were being funded by a hippy collective to investigate climate creationism. On Indonesian fishing boats.

The communters were out in force, I tell you.

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Murphy puts forth...

Posted February 6, 2014

What I find entertaining about this article is that it reads very much like the essays I get in my history classes at a local community college.

The difference?

One is satire whereas the other is wholeheartedly attempting seriousness.

Still trying to decide which is which though.

Respects,
S. F. Murphy
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sibeen swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 6, 2014

The Enlightment

1650 - 2000

R.I.P

Dino not to be confused with is gonna tell you...

Posted February 6, 2014

1650- 1861

Dino not to be confused with asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

1650- 1861

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Rob mumbles...

Posted February 6, 2014

I always wonder where all the nasty creatures went on the ark. No rational superbeing overlord would create this.

Reminds me of being at art school and making born again christians cry. About the only time my art work has had any effect whatsoever. I'm not sure if it was the blasphemy or the cruicfied teddy bears that did it.

TISM as always have the best soundtrack to this.

DiddyWrote swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 6, 2014

Hi Rob,

Julian Barnes wrote an amusing short story written from the point of view of an unwanted stowaway on the Ark. All the other animals would have killed the stowaway on sight if they had known it was on board as it was more dangerous than other creature on board.

The conclusion eventually reveals what the mysterious stowaway was.....a woodworm.

Rob mumbles...

Posted February 6, 2014

I liked that book too. especially the final story about the dead guy improving his golf handicap and trying to spot hitler riding a rollercoaster.

pi mumbles...

Posted February 7, 2014

Ha... I remember reading that story long ago. I thought it was true.

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SZF is gonna tell you...

Posted February 6, 2014

For a laugh in my first year of uni Biology the professor treated us to a recording of a "Recent Creationist" - who really double down on that shit.

They believe that the world was literally created this morning, and EVERYTHING we remember/discovered/etc was planted in our minds by Cthulhu, or something.

First year's a little hazy, but I seem to recall that the guy on tape was a teacher or a local pollie? He was definitely a Queenslander though. I wonder...

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Quokka asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

OK. I'll lob a grenade in the shark tank.

There was a conversation on RN the other day about class size v. teacher intelligence that was relevent to this, unfortunately I cannot find the link.

Nbob, were you listening, or were you busy chastising Joe Sixpack for the contents of his esky?

The content of the conversation was that the research shows that smarter teachers = better informed children & dumber teachers = ignorant masses. And class size made SFA difference. If anything, smaller class sizes were counter-productive because it drove up the costs of education and it drove down the quality of intelligence required from the people working as teachers.

This was news to me as being an ex-educator, I know how much easier it is to cope with a smaller class size - so I've always held the view that smaller class size is better for the students & the teachers.

My only gripe with the research is that they were comparing recent studies to pre-war classes - and what you have to factor in there is that up until the 70s there was a zero tolerance attitude to bad behaviour in class.

The difference being that in the last 20 years there has been an increase in the number of children in the class who have behavioural or learning difficulties, with teachers needing to devote a good chunk of their day to attending to the needs of the most demanding personalities while the kids who don't cause a problem tend to become invisible. My gripe when I left was that kids were learning that good behaviour goes unrewarded & bad behaviour will get you everywhere.

Please view Exhibit A: Kyle Sandilands.

I have friends who are still in the edjamacation system who report that 20 years ago you'd have 1 or 2 kids that had issues. These days it's usually 1/3 of the class.

Why that's happened, or how you address it, I don't know - but that show offered an interesting viewpoint. Worth a listen, if anyone knows where to find it.

Barnesm puts forth...

Posted February 6, 2014

I thnk your right, some others have questioned the methodology of that study and have identified the issue you raised.

w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted February 6, 2014

Quokka, I think that RN conversation about schooling might have been this one on Life Matters.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/free-schools/5216948

Re : Changes in student behaviour. I have friends who are teachers. They say, 20 years ago they were full-time teachers, now a lot of their time is social work. Increased cultural diversity is another complicating factor these days. It may enrich society in so many ways, but it is a minefield in many classrooms.

NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted February 6, 2014

Was bustin' Joe's ballz Aunty Q.

But looks interesting. I think LM has dropped a bit. Not blaming host the All In The Mind chicky Nattasha?) is bonza, I think there may have been a producer change.

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Barnesm asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

Oh thank you JB made my day.

and for a humorous take there is always Dara O'Brien

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Bondiboy66 asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

The derp levels of some of the responses are beyond the range of my derp-o-meters....

ewbewdi has opinions thus...

Posted February 6, 2014

I'm often amazed that some of the prviosly rational commenters get suddenly very, very, very irrational when the subject becomes sensitive to them. Is there a teeth gnashing, spit spraying, keyboard hammering, tanty throwing fundy buried somewhere in all of us?

insomniac puts forth...

Posted February 6, 2014

i prefer "passionate" to "irrational"

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Rhino mumbles...

Posted February 6, 2014

Get Havsy to the Atlanta International airport and I'll point him northwest and let him do what he do best - CAPPIN' MUPPETS. It is the least that you can do to send one of yours to get one of yours back.

Dino not to be confused with mutters...

Posted February 6, 2014

He's Busy!

pi ducks in to say...

Posted February 7, 2014

NUKE THE FKRS FROM SPACE!!!

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Halwes puts forth...

Posted February 6, 2014

Oh man that was good. The comment about the animals "might not have been full size" and "maybe you'd like to rethink that" got my vote. That would explain why the whole ark didn't fill up with shit on the first day. Tiny little elephant crap would have been easily managed by one bloke and a shovel. The creationists have definitely got us and our stupid science and logic with that one.

she_jedi puts forth...

Posted February 6, 2014

What entertains me no end is that the Ark story in the bible is derived from an even earlier Babylonian flood myth. Presenting Noah's story as fact means they're plagiarising Babylonian creation myths. Oops

pi asserts...

Posted February 7, 2014

Hello... christmas? Winter solstice?

I reckon it's fantastic that the people who wax on about the bible and christmas put up christmas trees and wreaths on their doors. When you start a couple of questions about what the tree signifies in christianity, you get a multitude of hilarious responses. It's funny right up to the point where you explain where the actual tree thing comes from (pagan 'n all). Then their brains just switch off, and they get really angry. It's almost like a formula.

Great entertainment.

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ShaneAlpha has opinions thus...

Posted February 6, 2014

Does God still do the animal shrinking thing?

Because it would make my animal smuggling go much easier if I could get my good buddy God to shrink them , stuff them into a condom and use the old reliable smuggling routine.

Or does Richard Gere hold the copyright to that?

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Dino not to be confused with mutters...

Posted February 6, 2014

Remember the Australian Geologist who lost at an Australian court about Noah's Ark?

Remember that.

If any Fuckwit is so stupid to mention the Bible in my earshot look out.

You do have 50 dollars in your pocket don't you?

Cause today at the bottle shop when I mentioned this story there was silence in the queue.

Either they agreed with me or they have no balls.

At least two people had no balls.

Bring on Eugenics...

Dino not to be confused with puts forth...

Posted February 6, 2014

When I mena Eugenics I mena the Western Interpretation Obviously!

Keep a stupid labour force, we need a labour force to build the Pyramids.

Who the Fuck would build a Pyramid?

Quick let's run away and change the story.

We're God's Heroes!

Dino not to be confused with mumbles...

Posted February 6, 2014

Some free intel.

Most of the good Backsish to Egypt comes from Syria.

Heard of the Bakaar.

I have mentioned Pyramids and will now mention Heliopolis.

The 'Holy Trinity' if you have a brain and find Baalbeck.

Anyway we should build a Pyramid in Kentucky.

Promise God and Eternal Salvation.

I gave all my money to some Church that promised Eternal Salvation.

I am pretty smart and I figured it was a good deal.

Like is there a better deal than that?

I ask You?

Dino not to be confused with ducks in to say...

Posted February 6, 2014

Burning Bush's Anyone.

Give me a 'tablet'.

Or two.

Oxycodone or uppers or downers.

Anything from Big Pharma and FaceGook.

Give me another one.

I am tired after hauling stone on a slope.

Rope Burns.

Dino not to be confused with mutters...

Posted February 6, 2014

Anyhoo pray to your dog and I hope you get to visit the Georgia Guide Stones.

In the mena time watcha da Olympics anda vega outa.

All's good.

Sweet.

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Mark R. Whittington puts forth...

Posted February 6, 2014

Just in the way of a minor correction, Bill Nye is not a scientist, though he used to play one on TV.

Barnesm has opinions thus...

Posted February 7, 2014

I think that may depend on what you define as a scientist.

He did complete a degree in Mechanical Engineering at Cornell University and after graduation worked as an engineer at Boeing. He developed a hydraulic pressure resonance suppressor still used in the 747 today.

He continues his interest in science and engineering and assisted in the development of a small sundial that was included in the Mars Exploration Rover missions to provide a basis for color calibration in addition to helping keep track of time.

Asa fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry I think employs the principles of the scientific method and displays an understanding of that method much greater than many people who may be studying PHD (yes I am looking at you Univeristy of Wollongong)

So if you mean a scientist is only someone who holds a recognised PhD from a accreditied university then no he isn't a scientist but remember historicaly those that made many of the break throughs in science never held such degrees but I wouldn't say they weren't scientists.

pi mutters...

Posted February 7, 2014

I agree. Any good technical engineer is also a scientist in practice.

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Blarkon has opinions thus...

Posted February 6, 2014

The problem with these debates is that they are unlikely to ever change minds. I saw one with Plimer versus someone similar (before Plimer went all Global Warming Denial he wrote a book demolishing creationism). The key question is "what would change your mind on this?" - and that needs to be asked at the start.

Bangar reckons...

Posted February 8, 2014

I wonder how many minds have been changed by internet "arguements". My guess none.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted February 9, 2014

Internet arguments frequently persuade me to change my ways.

NBlob reckons...

Posted February 10, 2014

Comrade Havoc changed my mind about the need for armed forces. I was a confirmed pacifist, I believed that all the $ spent on war would be better spent on social programs and that making widows & orphans only stored up problems for another generation. He argued convincingly that there are times when the Just War argument holds up and when such a circumstance arises its best to be able to deliver deadly force with accuracy & overwhelming might.

Jarrod mumbles...

Posted February 10, 2014

Its like that story told by Richard Dawkins who was invited to debate a creationist in the US. his response was "That will look much better on your resume than it will on mine" and politely declined.

It is amazing to me that in the age of reason there are so many people who believe in relgious crap. Still I suppose that at least 50% of all the people you meet are of below average intelligence.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted February 10, 2014

Speak for yourself. For me it is closer to 95%. It is very depressing.

Jarrod is gonna tell you...

Posted February 10, 2014

Ummm that can't be the case. Of course it may be that you think that 95% of the people you meet are below your level of intelligence, which might be true if you are very bright, or it might not be true if you are very dim and suffer from the dunning kruger effect.

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NBlob mutters...

Posted February 7, 2014

Off topic, but slightly Awsm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-06/taranis-drone-uk-mod-bae-systems-woomera-south-australia/5242636

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Darth Greybeard mumbles...

Posted February 7, 2014

One thing not widely mentioned was the range of creationist beliefs. At the rational end you have those who absolutely accept the history of the universe, evolution etc and simply see God as a prime cause. No urge to argue there - who am I to say? Moral nature of hypothetical deity is for another day.

But at the other end we have the People's Front for the Liberation of Judea vs the People's Liberation Front of Judea. Billy didn't realise that Ken would cast him into the pit for his crazy old universe/new earth beliefs. Also someone should introduce Billy to Ockham's Razor. Oops, gotta see an agent. BBL

Therbs puts forth...

Posted February 7, 2014

Typical splitter talk.

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 7, 2014

it's like the powerball when the first comment is like that. It also sets the tone for the remainder of the comments. I think that guy is onto something though . . . dinosaurs did exist, it's just that when it came for their time to get shrunk down . . .well the shrink ray had been working overtime, overheated a bit got stuck and couldn't stop. The poor buggers just slipped through the cracks. Plus we've all seen those drawings of super sized wombats and kangaroos. They didn't get resized when they got dropped off.

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w from brisbane mutters...

Posted February 7, 2014

Religious belief is probably just about the most diverse thing produced by the human mind. It is unscientific to try to simplistically characterise. JB's piece was specific to the promoter of the idea that 'earth' was created from go to woe about 6,000 years ago, in six solar days. That would seem to be at the more extreme end of Christian belief.
I was raised a Catholic. My mother goes to church each week and the beliefs expressed by Ham would be given short shrift by her, and really be irrelevant to the nature of her faith.
I puzzle to try to understand what people actually think God is. It is not that important to many practitioners.
I have known quite a few priests, mates and mates of mates. The question I ask priests is, "When you pray, do you think there is some conscious entity listening, in any way that we might understand listening?"
"Not really", would be the most common response.

Dino not to be confused with mutters...

Posted February 7, 2014

Hey W,

In my limited experience faith is not in God but in Humanity.

I deeply Religious.

Despite my rantings I am.

The nexus between Science and Theology is fascinating but for intellects higher than ours.

No disrespect to you my friend.

I cherish your thoughts.

w from brisbane puts forth...

Posted February 7, 2014

That's cool, Dino. I might have been raised a Catholic, but I turned in my kneepads when I first carefully considered religious doctrine and whether it made rational sense to me. I remember it well. I was walking to school. I was nine years old.

Dino not to be confused with mumbles...

Posted February 7, 2014

Just fkn grow up W!

Jarrod would have you know...

Posted February 10, 2014

That is an interesting point. If God does exist and is indeed omiscient then (S)he has a mind capable of simultanously processing all information avaliable in the universe. That is an intelligence that is so beyond human capabilities that it is completely alien. How could a human being possibily relate to an intelligence that powerful. Indeed for an intelligence that powerful they would get a headache thinking down to our puny level.

If God does exist then it is no creature to which we could possibly relate.

Dino not to be confused with ducks in to say...

Posted February 10, 2014

You know the thing about the stone.

The big one at Baalbeck is the men said-

NO worries. You move it.

And then there was Silence.

How nice would that be (?).?

Dino not to be confused with has opinions thus...

Posted February 10, 2014

And it is still fuckin there!

Waiting LAdies?

Dino not to be confused with mutters...

Posted February 10, 2014

What I suggetssss Is you terat men with soome respect.

Dino not to be confused with reckons...

Posted February 10, 2014

"Just a little bit"

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Jarrod is gonna tell you...

Posted February 10, 2014

LOL, that cracks me up! it is right up there with: " I'm not racist, I have friends who are black" and "I dunno much about art but I know what I like"

Perhaps gaining some expertise might assist with the whole belief thingy.

The problem with Intelligent Design and the suggestion that we are the product of some "creator" is that leads to the inexorable question "where did the creator come from". I know I know "Its elephants all the way down".

So who designed God!

Jarrod is gonna tell you...

Posted February 10, 2014

Game set and Match to Mr Boylan. I am now a creationist!

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