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It's not mob rule. It's mob genuine expression of concern

Posted December 22, 2015 into Blunty by John Birmingham

The local paper - an actual paper, The Courier Mail - has been rubbing itself all over the Baden-Clay murder case here in Brisbane. Or it was a murder, until the Court of Appeal decided there wasn't enough evidence of premeditation to carry a murder verdict and dropped the convictiction to manslaughter. It upset a lot of people, but excited the sales department at the Courier which spotted an issue perfectly calibrated to move more papers.

They've been giving front page encouragement to a campaign against... er... against... hmmm... protesting the court thingies... er...

Well, a lot of people were understandably upset that the odious Gerard Baden-Clay seems to have gotten away with murder. Even though he's still doing time for manslaughter.

I stayed away from the Courier's role in the rallies and protests of the last week because it would be unseemly to brawl over it. But today's Blunty does address the wider problems of turning criminal justice into a reality TV voting system.

At the Instrument.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted December 22, 2015
Hasn't it always been this way, more or less?

Side-stepping the broader issues surrounding yellow journalism, sometimes inflaming the mob is the only way to get justice out of a corrupt system.

Therbs would have you know...

Posted December 22, 2015
Not in the case of Greybeard. He is still on the loose.

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NBlob puts forth...

Posted December 22, 2015
Hundreds wallowing in an orgy of ignorance of due process.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted December 22, 2015
At least there is a social, group activity aspect to it.

NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted December 23, 2015
Can you cite studies / case law when Angry Mob action has been beneficial?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted December 23, 2015
Ferguson, Missouri. August 2014
Chicago. Right now.

NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted December 23, 2015
Waiting. Watching. Yet to be convinced.
I'm no fan of democracy, but I do believe incrementalism has its merit. One could point to a dozen or more instances where a despot has been overthrown, only to have The People's Democratic Junta to eventually be far worse by any metric.
I rage against my perception of injustices and lust for the opportunity / power to "make it right." I'm confident those that hold views 180 degrees from mine feel the same way. That scares me enough to put up with, even to be respectful of the most odious arsemonkey ever elected to high office in my country.
Power should belong to the people, if that isn't possible, then it should be in the hands of consensus builders & deal makers. It should never again be in the hands of the most ruthless.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted December 24, 2015
I am a big fan of democracy, even with its foundational delusions and operational lies. Democracy's foundational delusions - freedom, commonwealth, justice, and all people being created equal - are beautiful dreams even if untrue and they create political, social and economic momentum that pushes against the evils that flow so easily from entrenched power and unchecked capitalism - e.g., slavery, mass poverty and justice, health and long life for the privileged few.

But the operational lies of democracy are powerful, fostering the incremental progress you describe, but towards economic slavery, mass poverty and injustice. I would rather it be different, but in the history of the democracy I live and work in, evolution towards fairness only takes place on the brink of revolution. The American laws promoting union formation and requiring collective bargaining would never have happened if there had not been open warfare in the streets between workers and the police, and hired company thugs that threatened a wider worker's revolution like the Bolshevik's pulled off. Jim Crow, racial segregation and de facto slavery would still exist if the power elite were not terrified of a national race war.

I knew the Occupy Wall Street movement would have a meaningful impact when I learned that some wealthy families were moving their assets overseas - just as most French nobility did prior to their revolution.

Our masters bend and give a little back only when they are afraid, and the only thing that makes them afraid is the threat of rioting in the streets. This is the only reason why, after so many years and so many murders perpetrated by law enforcement officers, things are beginning to change.
This is a wonderful thing. I am less afraid today than I was yesterday that my son will end up in jail or die if and when he is pulled over by the police. This change would not have happened without rioting in the streets.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted December 24, 2015
Again, this is an American point of view shaped by American history. Your history was different and seems to model the gradual progress you describe that may still be possible for you. It is not possible here.

NBlob mumbles...

Posted December 24, 2015
You never struck me as a Pollyanna optimist.

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JG has opinions thus...

Posted December 22, 2015
Absolutely, John. I was thinking the same thing the other week about this very case when I heard about front pages of The Courier Mail in relation to this case from credible reportage (aka ABC). The Courier Mail seems to have forgotten that journalism is supposed to be unbiased and balanced, or at least attempt to be. There should be as much separation between law and popular sentiment/crowd judgement as (what is supposed to be) separation between state and religion. A pitchfork case.Joanna

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Blarkon is gonna tell you...

Posted December 22, 2015
This is the way of the future. I wonder what it was like to live in an age where the sensibility of an impartial system was self-evident to the populace.

Nocturnalist asserts...

Posted December 23, 2015
There may have been such an age among your chill-blooded reptilian compatriots but I do wonder if there ever was one on this world.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 23, 2015
I am beginning to suspect that it all depends on where you are. Here - in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave - the impartiality of the system was and still is a lie, an opiate for the masses. But, thanks to electronic media - from the O.J. Simpson trial broadcast to the Walter Scott shooting video streamed on the Internet - more and more of us are realizing the lie and understand that we've been lied to for a very long time. And it is making people very, very angry. And where I am from, nothing really changes unless big groups of angry people take to the streets - especially in an oligarchy like ours.

Perhaps it is different Down Under.

It has its drawbacks. The example that is the foundation for this discussion illustrates the problems of mob rule. But for my people the threat of a peasant revolt where all of the peasants are armed to the teeth is the only thing that may save us from devolving even further into a high tech feudal state.

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matt is gonna tell you...

Posted December 23, 2015
An indipendant impartial and yes unelected judiciary is the only way of keeping mobs from imprisoning people just because the look guilty

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catmat swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 23, 2015
Hi John,A minor but major point, (which shows how easy it is to get things wrong!) but murder doesn't require premeditation, as you state, just intent. They are different legally. Murder can be a split second decision but still carries intent.Most people understand the difference between murder and manslaughter and do not want the point of difference (intent) removed.I think you (deliberately perhaps for Baden Clay clickbait yourself) misrepresented the concerns of the ``mob'' in King George Square and dumbed down quite a complex issue.Firstly, the primary aim of the people who gathered was to say they would like to see this verdict appealed. The reasons are myriad, but one problem with the Court of Appeal judgement is that contradicts a ruling the original trial judge John Byrne made, while simultaneously finding he did not err. It makes no sense. Byrne explicitly ruled there WAS enough evidence for the jury to infer intent when he dismissed an application by the defence to have the murder charge thrown on completion of the Crown case.IMO the CofA didn't want to criticise a well-respected, retiring judge and took the easy course of hanging the jury out to dry. No wonder people are confused.The legal community in genuinely split over this decision and worried about the precedent it may set - it is not a media beat up.As far as wanting laws changed - that is something to be looked at after an appeal has been decided, but I believe what people are getting at is not changing murder v manslaughter.Rather, it hinges on the fact Baden-Clay was able to argue a scenario (accidental death) on appeal that he flatly denied in the witness box. People feel he exploited a legal loophole, perhaps. Perhaps legislation could be considered that dictates you may not argue anything on appeal which directly contradicts your sworn testimony at trial. It seems logical you don't get two bites of the cherry at selling different lies.I'm not saying I necessarily support this, I'm just saying this argument is a lot more nuanced than you imply.It's just unfortunate it's not something that can be easily explained and digested in a 5sec TV grab, so it is easy to portray people as an ill-informed mob. Thanks.

NBlob mumbles...

Posted December 23, 2015
Nice one catmat a dissenting opinion is always welcome. Usually mocked for lacking nuance, but always welcome.

Quokka swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 25, 2015
I loathe the frothing of the Snail but in this case I see their point.My training is in health science, so while I am not a doctor, I saw enough in that autopsy report to feel concerned whether the death was accidental, opportunistic, intentional or a combination of the above.Things would sit much better with me if the appeal judges had consulted medical experts on the likely cause of death & time of death, based on the evidence. Well, the evidence that GBC's efforts at concealment failed to destroy.
If GBC wants to argue that she attacked him, he pushed her off, & she fell & hit her head, then this needs to be considered on the weight of the evidence from ABC's autopsy.
This we know: She had a chipped tooth, some bruises, she bled out in the Captiva, and they found some shadowing on her brain tissue which indicated a possible mild sub-dural haematoma.
And this is what troubles me.These things tend not to kill you immediately. They can take hours to days to kill you. Yes, they may render you unconscious. Pressure from the bleed builds on the brain & over time that impacts on cerebral function. Early treatment, however, equals good likelihood of recovery.
Consider the news stories you see of the One Punch killers. Admittedly their victims usually get early medical attention to release the pressure off the brain but even so, it's a few days before life-support is switched off due to the extent of the brain damage.
So my question would be, why did the judges make an apparently arbitrary decision that she died soon after being struck, without consulting those with expertise in the field of brain trauma?
We have plenty of neurological experts who could look at those medical images & who could give evidence about how long that kind of injury would take to kill someone - if you withheld treatment.
i.e. was she still alive when he loaded her into the Captiva? was she still alive when he threw her over the bridge?Would she have regained consciousness after sustaining a mild sub-dural haematoma? They didn't find any pain-killers in her system. Did GBC look at his unconscious wife, and make a decision to ensure that she didn't get medical assistance? or did he go that one step further & hasten the process?To my mind, those are questions that judges & juries can't answer. That is for professionals with medical expertise.So if GBC wants to argue his innocence based on 'She ran at me, she was a mad thing, it was self-defence,' then let's have a new trial & consider the science that supports or refutes that.


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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted December 23, 2015
How do you know she is a witch?

Murphy_of_Missouri mutters...

Posted December 23, 2015
BURN HER!!!!

Therbs puts forth...

Posted December 23, 2015
If she burns it means she's made of wood and therefore a witch.

Murphy_of_Missouri reckons...

Posted December 23, 2015
YEAH!!!!!

w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted December 23, 2015
catmat made some good points. I intensely dislike the Murdoch press campaign against the judiciary and I was uncomfortable with the rally against the Baden-Clay decision. But, that is probably partly due to them being a push for higher penalties. If the rally was against a death penalty decision or against a severe sentence received by an aboriginal in the contest of high aboriginal incarceration rates, then I probably would have supported the protest. The rightness of public protest against judicial decisions is a little vexed.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted December 23, 2015
I know she is a witch because she turned me into a newt.

Quokka reckons...

Posted December 25, 2015
No, you didn't.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted December 25, 2015
Why won't you let me feel like a normal person again?

NBlob puts forth...

Posted December 26, 2015
If that 'like' was used in the SoCal context, because normal people are hard to find, fleet of foot & pre-warned by Aunty Q.

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HAVOCK21 puts forth...

Posted December 23, 2015
if the mob had half a brain they would have placed a call to the .50 fella in the tower referred to as "ALMIGHTY" to place some metal of a slightly more dense variety onto the skin

Murphy_of_Missouri would have you know...

Posted December 23, 2015
But without a Second Amendment, where are you going to get that .50?

Lulu has opinions thus...

Posted December 23, 2015
We have our ways ...

HAVOCK21 reckons...

Posted December 23, 2015
Murph....I would have slightly less restrictive gun laws here...its smoke and fkn mirrors and shit TB Honest. Same as the fkn road toll bull shit too. Its revenue raising and pandering to a few fkn dreadlcoedk dope smoking unwashed fkn muppets who in all reality should be treated with the same disdain and contempt I woudl afford the retards in china and TBH prolly dispense the exit charge via a .50 which IMHO would be cash and effort well expended. Waht we should realuu have in plave are a set of Pre registerded DF's and then give the grid co ord to the unwashed and tell them its a potential nuke waste dump, then zap the tools when they arrive, also means that the new NUKE subs we lease from the US wont be onstructed by floating bait in surf boards living on tax payer funded benefits that outta be fkn capped as well

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 23, 2015
Washing is overrated.

damian ducks in to say...

Posted December 27, 2015
Havsy: Murph has simply chosen to be willfully stupid on this. But consider the alternatives and you'll see it doesn't put him anywhere even near the bottom of the barrel.

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HAVOCK21 is gonna tell you...

Posted December 23, 2015
I need a beer and holidays I think!

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Rob ducks in to say...

Posted December 24, 2015


I saw that the mob has spoken and people are peeved. But yesterday the twitter mob moaned about the a decision of the public service to deny a family a visa to visit their dying son. Then the decision got reversed by the Minister. What makes one mob wrong and the other right? Why is one applauded and the other denigrated?

I have serious reservations about the principle of mens rea and its use in jury trials and the adversarial court system that we have. I have studied a case where burglars left an old man tied up and he died from a heart attack and only got Manslaughter, when really I saw it as murder. The man wouldn't have died at that time if the burglars hadn't tied him up and left him. What difference does the accused state of mind or intention to bring about his death in the end have to do with the victims death? A man died because of their actions and crime. But it was the adversarial court system, the weasly words, the turn of phrase that got the charge reduced.

In my ideal world (ie the one I rule as a benevolent dictator and everyone has to listen to Metal) I would abolish manslaughter and have a sliding scale of homicide/murder. And introduce an inquisitorial court system, much like our existing Coroners courts and what exists in Europe now.

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w from brisbane mumbles...

Posted December 24, 2015
A bloke I know accidentally left his briefcase beside his company car in the underground car park in an office tower in the Brisbane CBD. The sight of the lone briefcase led to the evacuation of the whole building. As all the office workers spilling out onto the footpath, a man walking by stepped onto the road to get around the crowd on the footpath. He was immediately struck by a vehicle and killed. Killed because this bloke I know accidentally left his briefcase beside his company car.

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Doctrine, strategy and tactics in Paris

Posted November 17, 2015 into Blunty by John Birmingham

From the Instrument:

To defeat Daesh means to destroy them utterly, not just to kill and maim their fighters, and reduce the settlements of their pissant fourth world proto-state to rubble and ash, but to negate the philosophy, the very way of the seeing the world which brought that state into being.

To do that we must understand them and their understanding of doctrine, strategy and tactics. These are western concepts, but common to all faiths and ideologies which would take dominion over the world.

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Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted November 17, 2015
Reminds me all too much of the Without Warning trilogy.

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Surtac asserts...

Posted November 17, 2015

Good article.

I do like it when you go thinky, but I'd like it more long form. Perhaps you could pitch a Quarterly Essay on the topic. I'd read that.


she_jedi ducks in to say...

Posted November 17, 2015
+1! I loved your QE on A Time for War

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jennicki mutters...

Posted November 17, 2015
I'm just at a loss on what should be done.

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Murphy_of_Missouri would have you know...

Posted November 17, 2015
Here are some suggestions:
1. Systematically target anyone providing funding for legal action. If that can't or won't work, then drop a bomb in their laps. We might also try freezing their bank accounts.

2. Criminally prosecute anyone and everyone purchasing oil and artifacts from Daesh. If that can't or won't work, then again, drop a few bombs in their laps. We might also freeze their bank accounts.

3. Maintain bombing campaign and intensify.

4. Increase use of elite forces to target Daesh leadership on the ground. Capture or terminate as needs must.

5. Build some schools and break the cycle of oral based rote learning. Instead, create children capable of critical thinking. In fact, I'd argue that for every dollar spent on a Wahabbi madrassa by the opposition, we should match that.

6. Speaking of extremist madrassas, they should have a bomb chucked into their laps as well.

7. Sit down with everyone involved in Syria and try to come to a common understanding on a future for that country. Right now the Daesh can take cover behind the chaos of that mess.

What we should not do is think that more wishful thinking, multicultural understanding, and hash tag activism will do any good. These folks want to kill us.

Fine. We need to attack their funding, their supporters, their infrastructure. We weaken that then maybe we'll have a shot on bumping off the diehards.

insomniac has opinions thus...

Posted November 17, 2015
If the question is 'Are they diehards?', perhaps Bruce Willis is the answer.

Murphy_of_Missouri mutters...

Posted November 17, 2015
Yippie Kay Yeah!

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Legless mumbles...

Posted November 17, 2015
Absolutely can, and should, recruit spys from the refugee hordes. Give their families guarantees of safety in the West and send our own 5th column into ISIS.
There will be many who would jump at the chance. There will be many who are burning for a chance at revenge if they know their families will be safe.

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tygertim has opinions thus...

Posted November 17, 2015
Part of me want to go all Einstatsgruppen on them for the evil they have re-awakened in this t ok red old world but my brain and my heart tells me that this is a mistaken idea, that there has to be a better way. All I can see now is that they WANT us to react in that very manner and that is the very reason we must deny them that which they so desire.... but the blood they spilled, the weeping of the raped enslaved cries out for justice and whispers for vengeance... And those whom suffered need and require some punishment of those guilty souls for their pain.All I can come up with to remedy their trespass against humanity is to seek out those guilty souls whose guilt we can ascertain are guilty beyond any reasonable doubt, is to publicly ,shoot them in the head, place their dead bodies in the chest cavity of dead pigs, fill it with pigs blood, see it shut, and bury it far out in the desert in an undisclosed location. It is the only punishment I can see that fits their crimes.... but I have to admit that if this is done, I fear for my humanity, and yes, my soul...

tygertim has opinions thus...

Posted November 17, 2015
And would this make me evil too?

S.M. Stirling mumbles...

Posted November 19, 2015
It's war, not a judicial investigation. In war, you're not trying to punish individuals for doing something wrong; you're trying to inflict unbearable pain on people for being on the other side, so they'll give up (or just die). It's important to keep this distinction in mind.

tygertim has opinions thus...

Posted November 20, 2015
In that case. It's past time for boots on the ground. An occupation strategy similar to that of Germany post WW 2, of a duration of no less than ten years before the return of their national sovereignty.

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Therbs is gonna tell you...

Posted November 17, 2015
There need to be coherent plans for the end of the Assad regime and post-Assad Syria. This includes the economy.

Lulu would have you know...

Posted November 17, 2015
Certainly more coherent than the "post-Saddam" plans for Iraq - the lack of which is not-unrelated to the rise of ISIS/ISIL/Da'esh.

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HAVOCK21 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 17, 2015
Well I have a few suggestions.
1 Go after the money..the funding and that means all the large sums of cash that comes out of VARIOUS FKN ARSEHAT MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTREIES!
2 Get the fkn Egypotions, Saudies and all the other fkn basatrds to ACTUALLY FKN PUT BOOTS ON GROUND and FKN DO SOMETHING!
3 Call BHP and order a metric fk load of razor waire and fence the whole fkn joint off, then, with all the fkn rabbits IN THE FKN PED TO IT AND ALL ITS CONTENTS TO DUST!
4 Fk the middle east, they are ratbags, scum bags arase hat, two timing dont know who you could trust would NOT PISS ON THEM FKN IDIOTS if it were not for oil.
5 Go back in time and shoot the fkrs who happened to div up the middle east and europe for that matter and give us these never ending fkn problems.

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HAVOCK21 mutters...

Posted November 17, 2015
JB is right, there had to be a longer term view on this, some bombs in the short term and to help with continual pressure is ok. But you very rapidly will some some collateral damage and that counter productive to what we would want to achieve. In the short to medium term what's the best way to establish some control, start to deny them freedom of movement, training locations and travel. It might well be that in the near term from a strategic perspective Arsessard is the better of the bad bunch. Maybe its a case of limited restoration, help the take back, support etc but not overly equip him. I'm not convinced that a great option BTW.
Training your own or co-opting refugee's is a good way to go , but the reinsertion is tricky and would be vastly easier with a stabilising operational environment and thus a causal factor for the persons return. You could still utilise insertion back in pre this, but its far far more challenging imho ( think FKN RISKY!). And additionally its a longer operational impact, we would be talking year, and that's not to say we should not do it, quite the contrary, we should be assembling as many of these operatives as possible.
When I ranted before I was quite real about the funding, its not cheap to wage war and going after funding sources is a must and that's where you might well run into the KINGDOM and the messy arrangement that is all of the ME.
One thing is for sure, we do need to up the operational involvement, but be watchful in the manner in which this takes place. The creation of the require departments, selection and training with insertion of infiltrators is a must. This will give us intelligence but again, utilisation of that know;ledge is an issue as you can burn your source. I think you would be looking to seriously infiltrate them and in a coordinated matter remove the head shoulders arms and feet rapidly!.
And you simply have to economically make sure that you rebuild the place.....seriously, I'm not sure how the yanks managed to so badly fk up the last one ( PS I'm not a US basher) but a couple of people made seriously fkn retarded calls! and lots have paid the ultimate price for that mistake.

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S.M. Stirling is gonna tell you...

Posted November 18, 2015
In the month before D-day, we killed 30,000 French civilians during our attacks on the French railway net. That's about 1000 a day. So screw collateral damage; it's war, people get killed.
As for "luring" us into the Middle East, Daesh believes that their final victory (after many defeats) will come when Allah sends Issa (Jesus) down from the sky over Jerusalem to lead them to triumph. No, really, they seriously believe that.
If this is their strategy, then giving them the apocalyptic battle they want is probably a good idea. Unless Issa appears, of course, but that doesn't seem like much of a deterrent to me.

Lulu puts forth...

Posted November 18, 2015
"So screw collateral damage; it's war, people get killed."

Unless it's someone on 'our' side. Then that's unaccceptable / terrorism / barbarism / whatever.

Murphy_of_Missouri ducks in to say...

Posted November 18, 2015
I want it to stop. If that means bombing so many until it does . . . well, lets fucking get on with it. Start shoveling those bombs out by the megaton until they get the point.

S.M. Stirling mutters...

Posted November 19, 2015
Lulu: The 30,000 French civilians WERE on our side, or hadn't you noticed?
War isn't about "good" and "bad". It's about "us" and "them". The rest is largely propaganda.
Empathy begins at home, btw. Do I consider my tribe's lives to be worth more than their tribe's. Of course I do; anyone who doesn't is a moral imbecile.

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Barnesm mumbles...

Posted November 18, 2015

Might I offer John Oliver's response to the terrorists attack.

"France is going to endure, and I'll tell you why. If you're in a war of culture and lifestyle with France, good fucking luck.

Go ahead, bring your bankrupt ideology. They'll bring Jean-Paul Sartre, Edith Piaf, fine wine, Gauloises cigarettes, Camus, Camembert, madeleines, macaroons, Marcel Proust and the fucking croquembouche.

You just bought a philosophy of rigorous self-abnegation to a pastry fight my friend.

Murphy_of_Missouri reckons...

Posted November 18, 2015
John Paul Sarte might well be the reason they lose. Hopefully it will be negated by Monet, Henri Cartier-Bresson, and a fair bit of Jules Verne.

Barnesm ducks in to say...

Posted November 18, 2015
Certainly its a big table France can bring.

Murphy_of_Missouri asserts...

Posted November 18, 2015
More ham sandwiches and less Sarte.

Barnesm would have you know...

Posted November 19, 2015
Croquembouche, don't forget the croquembouche.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted November 19, 2015
Do you think they would hate us more if they knew that we pity them?

Barnesm puts forth...

Posted November 19, 2015

I don't doubt it.

The French writer Nicolas Henin was an ISIS hostage for 10 months wrote a piece in the Guardian which discussed what really gets up the nose of the ISIS people that were holding him.

I have no doubt that our response to them being pity is harder for them to deal with than any anger or hate.

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Gutz mutters...

Posted November 18, 2015
'That course of action i would like to suggest is a course of action i CANNOT suggest' i heard that somewhere.....so sick of this my god is better than your god bullshit.

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NBlob puts forth...

Posted November 18, 2015
Consider a metallurgical analogy. We mine ore, refine into ingots, smelt into alloys, machine into tools. With a nod to JB's 'Battlespace awareness' drones gather information (SigInt, video, etc) we are learning to process that into information (hash tags, POI, VOI, LOI - person, vehicle & location of interest.) Information is analysed & tested to become knowledge. Knowledge can then inform action. Action being a euphemism for a couple of hell fire missiles in through the car window.

Radiolab did an espisode recently that The Gothic Link Button doesn't like: http://www.radiolab.org/story/eye-sky/
These systems are improving day on day, week on week. Pretty soon those limited triple C capacities that Daich has will be 'splodily made tactically unviable.
I'm totes across the ethical & legal issues of extrajudicial assassination, but it seems to me the least worst option.

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jason has opinions thus...

Posted November 18, 2015
Ideas and success are the weapons we need to fight the ideological battle. The principal of Holroyd school made a point on radio that it is hard to radicalize someone who is successful but easy to radicalize someone with no future. We need to ensure success is all inclusive and that debate is open and informed.


S.M. Stirling would have you know...

Posted November 19, 2015
Ahhh... no. Terrorists are just as likely to be highly educated and economically successful.
It's time to take them at their word. Their statements of their motivation are true, not some unconscious code for "you didn't get me a good job" or "you hurt my feelings'.
Let's throw this cod-Marxist "underlying causes" garbage on the dungheap where it belongs.

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kuffar would have you know...

Posted November 18, 2015
I have said multiple times back in the day of your old blog, there is no clean solution to this. It is going to be bloody and long, and not election cycle long, it is gonna be a generation. We gotta keep the pressure on.
My opinion: ISIS has sex slaves, something about that shit pisses me off. Let's kill those fucks.

John Birmingham swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 18, 2015
By all means, but lets get as few us killed and maimed doing it.

S.M. Stirling mutters...

Posted November 19, 2015
By all means, keep our casualties down to a minumum, but as the good Freiherr pointed out, in war "moderation is imbecility". Better a terrible end than endless terror.

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Spanner puts forth...

Posted November 18, 2015
A medium term view...
Soon the oil that's left in the ground will become worthless as we move towards renewable energy. I'm thinking 20 years or less. ISIS and in fact most of the protagonists in the middle east are going to run out of money fast in that time frame. They don't have the IT or governance structures to transition their proto economies.
Much as the allies beat the axis in WWII with production so will we beat these medieval whackos this a new economy. Time and resilience is on our side.

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HAVOCK21 has opinions thus...

Posted November 18, 2015
I'M THINKING STERILISE THE WHOLEFKN M EAST!

Gutz puts forth...

Posted November 19, 2015
A bulk delivery to their holy afterlife? From orbit, just be sure. That is the anger part of my brain like the character from the movie inside out.

Nowhere near sensible thoughts, but they need bombing...nobody has specified which ones?

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NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted November 19, 2015
Collective punishment is a war crime (Geneva 4th Article 33)

NBlob asserts...

Posted November 19, 2015
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention

Murphy_of_Missouri asserts...

Posted November 19, 2015
Might be time to throw that particular rule book out. It isn't like the Daesh are going to abide by it.

Hell, I can't think of a single opponent the United States has faced that even made a surface effort to comply with Geneva.

NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted November 19, 2015
The only way to tell good guys from bad guys is by their conduct. The day we indiscriminately bring pain to the innocent we are no better than those whom we seek to destroy.

HAVOCK21 mutters...

Posted November 19, 2015
true....but I will kill them all on the fight thru and further, on the field of battle as they have given no quarter nor shown no mercy, so shall I give none!
Commander Havock.

NBlob reckons...

Posted November 19, 2015
And that, my camo colleague, is the nub of the matter. These chickensh!t arse clowns chose to surround themselves with innocents. Human shields has to be the lowest act of a so called military force. Hence my comment about Intel driven drone war being the least worst option.

Murphy_of_Missouri asserts...

Posted November 20, 2015
I think I'd rather have history judge me as a bad guy who lived to a ripe old age as opposed to a gullible, naive, and very dead before my time good guy.

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S.M. Stirling puts forth...

Posted November 19, 2015
NBlob: war IS collective punishment. That is its inherent nature.
The laws of war are actually a mutual accommodation; they don't apply to dealings with people who don't make a good-faith attempt to abide by them.
And, of course, the only -real- war crime is losing. The rest is bullshit.

NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 19, 2015
Mr Stirling as you are an honoured guest I'll keep this as civil as I can. You are wrong.

damian ducks in to say...

Posted November 19, 2015
Way too much arse in this thread - wrinkly, hairy and shitty arse. The really ugly thing is: it's talking. Which is fine in its place I guess, but it's not my taste. So maybe be back some other time, cheers.

Murphy_of_Missouri would have you know...

Posted November 20, 2015
Yep, been to one. They are pretty fucking ugly.

They are even uglier when you resort to half measures and platitudes.

w from brisbane puts forth...

Posted November 20, 2015
My uncles, who fought for Australia in WW2, very rarely talked about it. But would say, war is a terrible business, don't think there are good guys, because every horror they did, we did too.

Barnesm mumbles...

Posted November 20, 2015
so you would be familiar with Cicero's argument "Silent enim leges inter arma" popularly translated as "people called Romeania they go the house".

Murphy_of_Missouri puts forth...

Posted November 20, 2015
The law is not a suicide pact.

Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted November 20, 2015
I would hope not.

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enzo polato puts forth...

Posted November 20, 2015
It's Myamoto Musashi's Go Rin No Sho's theory of japanese sword fighting, five centuries old and still sound

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted November 21, 2015
It's still sound if you have a sword? But what if you don't have a sword? I don't have a sword. But I do have a 12 gauge double barreled sawed-off shotgun. Does Myamoto Musashi's Go Rin No Sho's fancy sword fighting theory help me use a weapon that doesn't depend on precision and takes no skill at all to deploy?

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Des would have you know...

Posted November 20, 2015
lets do the time warp! last time i poked my head in here i got gang banged by a few pumped up chicken hawks...probably three years ago. i come back to see how things are going (largely due to my old friendship with JB) and i find that the same couple of people are sprouting the same hairy chested rhetoric... even down to that old blowhard USS Stirling (dare i speak his name) throwing his weight around. see you all in three years!

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted November 21, 2015
No, you dare not speak his name.

Have you learned nothing during your alleged absence?

Des mutters...

Posted November 21, 2015
thank you, my learned friend, i appreciate the tip..something for me to ponder while in exile... and he who shall hereinafter only be referred to as 'big daddy' can sail forth, guns a-blazing, unassailed by the possibility that his Kilgore-like pearls of wisdom will be questioned by communists like myself. back to the gulag for me!

Des reckons...

Posted November 21, 2015
i do wonder though. Maybe Big Daddy's 'feelin' the Bern'?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted November 21, 2015
It is my policy to hide my ignorance by disagreeing with anything I don't understand. It is the most efficient way to fake intelligence that I know of - and, believe me, I've tried them all. It is amazing how insightful one can appear merely by shaking their head while feigning utter certainty that someone else is dead wrong.

I didn't understand anything included in either of your two posts, above, so - if I had to guess - I would guess that the answer to your question is no.

I do like you referring to me as "learned" though. That was cool. Way cool. Dude. I would repeat it if I harboured any confidence that I know how to pronounce "learned."

des ducks in to say...

Posted November 21, 2015
yes, i wouldn't know what i'm talking about. thanks. i was trying to be nice. silly me. that you choose to to take umbrage and patronise me, given the inane and jokey manner of most threads i have read here, i will just accept) that you, (as a guardian and caretaker of the Gothic's gate), have chosen to cast me out, largely because you dislike the notion of an opinionated outsider engaging your comfy circle.... i stand admonished by my superior. i am also sorry that my superior fails to comprehend the meaning of my original message, and those that followed...simply put, after nearly three years, this prestigious if small group of warmongers that i was referring to, are still itching for war, and are spouting the same foamy mouthed rubbish about the desire for war in Syria. i obviously find it strange, but i am outside the goldfish bowl. maybe some oxygen would help in there. probably not.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted November 21, 2015
Oh my God that was so funny on so many levels. The misplaced sense of importance, the oppressive seriousness and the pretense of persecution are, honestly speaking, wonderful. My attempts at humour are good - don't get me wrong: I think I am very funny - but not as good as that.


Des asserts...

Posted November 21, 2015
your self-serving statement IS funny, even if you generally are less so than you might imagine. but don't worry, counsellor, i do not feel victimised. i just call it as i see it. the sole reason i am here is because i have known and liked JB for a very long time...i would never suggest that i have anything but good-humoured contempt for some of the rubbish i have read on the threads. anyhow, keep slappin' me with that wet fish!

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted November 21, 2015
",,,i do not feel victimised [sic]."

Well, thank God for that.

Des has opinions thus...

Posted November 21, 2015
you just can't help yourself! get some sleep. you sound over-tired.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted November 21, 2015
Truth be told, I am somewhat tired. You are very insightful.

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Des would have you know...

Posted November 21, 2015
p.s, my learned friend, a funny thing happened last time i dared poke my head up here....although i was merely bemused by the experience, several refuseniks within your ranks contacted me via Facebook to offer me their sympathy, and vent their dislike for the beta jock atmosphere created by certain parties. and only today i stumbled across a thread on another persons personal blog, where a few posts, and the threads thereafter concerned the same emergent problem, and half a dozen burgers were likewise bemused as i was and am. food for thought, counsellor

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted November 21, 2015
Okay, if you are creating a personae, then your last comment was hilarious. The idea that there are dissident Burgers who secretly contact you to offer support is simply hilarious.

Des has opinions thus...

Posted November 21, 2015
all true. including two women who i'm sure you have had dealings with on this thread. it was funny.

Des would have you know...

Posted November 21, 2015
actually i meant on this site...not this particular thread...this was at least 2.5 years ago...i believe they have abandoned ship. surely remember those unhappy ladies.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted November 21, 2015
I mean it. I accept as truth that there are people who regularly post here - including "two women" - who contacted you on Facebook to express solidarity and support for your views.

Des reckons...

Posted November 21, 2015
i doubt if they left because of me...as i understand it they felt bullied, verbally abused, and ostracised. by way of contradistinction, i remain bemused, and yes, now amused. i must be bored. i must get back to preparing a trial(attempt at empathy)...you know the procrastination problem, i am sure.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted November 21, 2015
Oh, I see... these women left here because they agreed with your
opinions about this place. What a pity. I view this as a welcoming
place. More or less. After all, for a very long time even Dino was
welcomed. The Boss bent over backwards for the guy. Hell, this place has tolerated me for years and years. And I can be a real asshole.

If I had to guess I would guess you are quite popular with the ladies. Chicks dig outspoken rebel types who speak truth to power.

Des reckons...

Posted November 21, 2015
you will be relieved to know that another party, a male person, who also contacted me, is still hanging in there on this thread, and, if i may say so, often comes off as the voice of reason. i doubt if he feels bullied. it may be a gender thing?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 21, 2015
Don't get me wrong: I fully accept that, in addition to women, there are also men who support and agree with you. Probably more than I imagine.

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Des is gonna tell you...

Posted November 21, 2015
sure...chicks dig me.

insomniac would have you know...

Posted November 21, 2015
Des, you should talk to Cindy-Lou. She is fascinating. You two should really get on.

Des mumbles...

Posted November 21, 2015
Sure. i like to get to know fascinating people. i'm very friendly when i want to be.

w from brisbane swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 22, 2015
Des, weren't you going to see us again in three years?

insomniac is gonna tell you...

Posted November 22, 2015
Do you have an alcoholic dog?

w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted November 22, 2015
Well Des, after popping in just to tell us that you knew better, and besides, unlike us, you were JB's special friend, Paul decided to throw a little bit of burley in the water. I must say, it didn't take much. The fish was quickly hooked, reeled in, and is now flopping around on the deck of the boat.

NBlob puts forth...

Posted November 22, 2015
In your absence things have changed a little. While we may still bang on about military/political matters we have diversified. We now, in attempt to broaden our appeal, have an active Snark Fanciers subgroup. We trade tips on grooming, training and similar.

insomniac mumbles...

Posted November 22, 2015
Cindy-Lou is very well regarded around here, and is certainly not the object of derision by "Boylan", if indeed that is his real name, and my good self. I was merely trying to find out what, if anything, you two had in common, and it appears that as far as pets go, you don't.

Des mutters...

Posted November 22, 2015
My apologies. for the record, i have a sturdy bluey called Panda, and i trust he doesn't inhale, but certainly not a drinker.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted November 21, 2015
I'm sorry, mate, but I really have to go. There is something on television about monkeys.

Des has opinions thus...

Posted November 21, 2015
i'll let that one go through to the 'keeper. enjoy!

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NBlob mumbles...

Posted November 21, 2015
Monkeys? On television? See this is why They hate you Americans, with you collagen implants, 50 brands of candy, SUVs & now, of all things, monkeys on fricken television. Next you'll be skiting about ugly "Still life with pear" paintings on the walls of your comfortable ranch style homes.

Barnesm ducks in to say...

Posted November 21, 2015
But to be fair we haven't reached the nadir of human civilisation until we have googlebox the TV show watching people watching the show with monkey's on it.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted November 22, 2015
I must confess it was The Man in the High Castle and Jessica Jones
that drew me away at that moment. But something on the telly about
monkeys would have done it, too. Monkeys are endlessly fascinating.

I
consider NBlob's side comment about "Still life with pear" paintings a
low blow even for him. He has been a guest in my comfortable ranch
style home and knows I have Still Life with Pear paintings on every wall
in every room. What of it? I can put what I want on my walls. Who
cares if it is the same painting? I happen to like that painting.
Looking at it takes me to another world, a world without politics or
pain or terrorist bombings. A world with pears. And the possibility of
the occasional orange.

NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 22, 2015
There are no oranges. Only a SJW with unresolved protoMarxist ideologies would cling to such an outdated idea. Californian fixations with citrus are like so 1930's.

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Murphy_of_Missouri would have you know...

Posted November 22, 2015
I'm sorry . . . who the fuck is Des and why should I care?

NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted November 22, 2015
You may know him by his other names, Des Cartes, Structable, & Alination. Yeah, sorry.

Des has opinions thus...

Posted November 22, 2015
you don't remember me, old son? you were really pissed off at me a couple of years ago. you might have even had a violent fantasy about the things you wanted to do to me....so thats who i am. and should you care? give it a go. we might get on fine. i will try to care about you, and i will even endorse the gist of what you said earlier about a plan to resolve Syria...i note that you did not advocate, as your masters have, the immediate removal of Assad. you have evolved.

Murphy_of_Missouri mumbles...

Posted November 22, 2015
Must not have been too violent. I have zero fucks to give about you.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted November 22, 2015
"i don't want to rile you."

Sure you do. That's your primary motive here. You seek reaction to fuel further fake conflict.

Believe me, we've been there, done that, and have learned to ignore it.

Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted November 22, 2015
Well, at least I didn't disemvowel him.

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w from brisbane asserts...

Posted November 22, 2015
As a general observation, it's great if you are in a movie, chomping on a cigar while in a field tent, otherwise I think 'boots on the ground' is an expression best avoided and should be replaced by referring to the people in the boots.

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Des asserts...

Posted November 22, 2015
hit the Ton!

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It's been too long.

Posted October 27, 2015 into Blunty by John Birmingham

Zombie Instrument.

Yeah, yeah. So a fan fave got possibly might've got chomped on The Walking Dead. Big deal. It's make believe, people. We have the real thing to deal with now and nobody is even paying attention. If you are as well informed on zombie news as me, which you're not, because that would be impossible, you would know that the undead uprising is already upon us.

The recent report of a crazed airline passenger biting another passenger and then 'dying' – i.e., being put down by the business class passengers because they were the only ones with steel cutlery to stab the bitey fiend in the head – was tellingly short on details.

What happened to all of the economy class passengers, for instance? Did we hear of them again? No, we didn't, because they've been fed into high temperature industrial incinerators by the CDC. Big mistake, CDC. Thanks for filling our lungs with zombie smoke.

At Blunty.

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Therbs puts forth...

Posted October 27, 2015
Forget Zed 'cos Zed's dead. But self-warming sausage rolls from outer space? That is magnificent.

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AKM. swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted October 27, 2015
The shotgun is still available, at least for the moment. I know those extra couple of rounds would make all the different when the Ipswitch ZomHorde descends and tries to give you an oral pedicure, but for the nonce, you can still purchase the Lesser Adler.......better than a pointed stick.

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insomniac swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted October 27, 2015
Do your new plans include a stash of the food of the gods: bacon, and it's almost equally delicious cousin: ham? Could it be used as a weapon against the Zed given the so-called "advice" provided by the WHO overnight? Feed the Zed enough and you may just bring them down with bowel cancer. Sure, you'd be playing the long game, but it may just work.

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Quokka is gonna tell you...

Posted October 27, 2015
My plan is simple. I will throw Barnaby Joyce & both Katters to Zed & wait for them to keel over with pancreatic cancer from ingesting all the nitrates they've sucked in from a lifetime of processed pig, three times a day.

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted October 27, 2015
Zombie hordes are a thing of the past. These days they will all be pre-occupied with their own digital gadgets trying to ape taking selfies with dead phones. If a z does take you by surprise whip out your phone and pretend to take a pic or better yet hand it a thin stick and it will be distracted trying to figure out how to attach its own device to the end of it.
At the start whilst phone batteries last can you use tinder or something to see how close everyone is around you? (definitely not for . . . you know . . . hooking up with any available z's)

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Murphy_of_Missouri asserts...

Posted October 27, 2015
Wouldn't you just get those dozer blades they used for the hedgerow country of Normandy and just plow through the hordes? Once they've been kneecapped it should be a simple matter of walking in with some sledgehammer wielding Mormons to finish them off.

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GhostSwirv reckons...

Posted October 28, 2015

Yeah, but you could probably kneecap him with a Rhinestone.

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Halwes has opinions thus...

Posted October 28, 2015
Sorry. Off topic again but if any of you Brisbanites can get to see Fleetwood Mac you should go. Saw them in Sydney and they were fantastic. Sure it was nostalgic and sure everyone is over 60 but they rocked the arena big time.

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The coffee table incident.

Posted October 20, 2015 into Blunty by John Birmingham

Tony Abbott just keeps on giving, doesn't he.

At Blunty.

This is not the first coffee table destroyed by vandalous shenanigans. I have seen things, my friends. Terrible things.

I feel for the staff of the Department of Parliamentary Services, for I too have lost a much-loved coffee table.

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pitpat mutters...

Posted October 20, 2015

There were some that doubted Tones comedic acting ability but I think people should always be judged by their actions and in this respect there surely can be no greater performer in pantheon of political comedy than TA. When compared against his cohort we find both Julia and Kevin and now Malcolm ( whom we can only hope is in the middle) are mere actors playing their parts, bowing politely to mute applause whereas TA seems to live the role, become the stereotype and because of this I can see no dip in performance quality even though he is given fewer chances to strut his stuff of the national or even International stage.

People of Warringah you need to encourage TA not to give up, to keep striving, to be the best he can be. Remember Dame Edna would never have risen so high had it not been for the support of Moonee Ponds.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted October 26, 2015
I just checked and learned that the Brisbane Times rejected the following comment to this Blunty:

"It is well-known in German political circles that Angela Merkel injured her back when she attempted to dance the "Amourösen Huhn-Tanz" (a lively German folk dance that originated in the Duchy of Swabia) on a Hepplewhite console table after drinking a bit too much Jagermeister to celebrate her victory during the 2005 federal elections.

"Perhaps this sort of thing is fairly common among politicians."

I felt the comment was fair and balanced reporting of some very relevant fake history.

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Pour one out for Sam. And Keith

Posted October 13, 2015 into Blunty by John Birmingham

From Blunty.

"People die. They leave us behind. They go when they’re old, when they’re young, whether they’re loved or alone. Sometimes you see it coming. Sometimes you don’t. I was driving home from the hospital yesterday when I heard about Sam de Brito. I was a little sad because I’d come from visiting another mate who’ll struggle to stay with us much longer. Keith was a good man who lived a hard life and it’s finally caught up with him. His leaving us will be sad, but it will not come as a surprise. Not like Sam..."

I went on to share a few thoughts about Sam because we shared a lot of readers and people shuld stop and think about these things when they happen. There'll be fewer of us stopping and thinking about my mate Keith when finally kicks off. But he was a good bloke and he deserves some time spent remembering him too.

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Dave W reckons...

Posted October 13, 2015
Very true, and we take a moment to stop, think, remember and smile.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted October 13, 2015
In the final analysis, none of us could hope for more. And I do sincerely mean that. I'll pour one out for both and hope I warrant the same when the time comes.

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Quokka would have you know...

Posted October 14, 2015
Sorry to hear about your friends, JB. That's rough.xxx

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The Magpie War

Posted September 22, 2015 into Blunty by John Birmingham

My neighbours have feeding magpies, probably to open a second front after they unleashed legions of scrub turkeys on my back yard.

They went away recently and the stupid birds turned up on my back deck demanding a feed. When it wasn't forthcoming, they invaded. Every day now I have to drive them from the house.

Details at Blunty.

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insomniac puts forth...

Posted September 22, 2015
Recent research has pointed to a magpie remembering a person's behaviour towards said magpie for a period of up to 5 years, and as such attacking that person again and again until they submit or move to another state, so flashing your pink sword at the invaders will not help your cause one iota.
On a related note, when I put old bread out for the birds, it is the rosellas and cockatoos that get dibs, while the magpies and Indian mynas are forced to stalk the feeding flock, walking around and around hoping for a loose crumb or two. So in the spirit of ecological meddling by scientists, or indeed the old lady who swallowed a fly, what you need is a flock of cockatoos.

Naughty Peanut mumbles...

Posted September 22, 2015
So, you're saying a flock of cocks beats a pink sword?

dweeze asserts...

Posted September 23, 2015
Try beating your pink sword in Oxford St and you may just end up with a flock of cocks.

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Bangar mutters...

Posted September 22, 2015
Well what can I say, I have chooks the only birds stupid enough to try for a feed are little sparrows and pigeons, for some reason the pigeons have stopped visiting tactics taken from ancient wars "may" have been involved.I have never seen one of the smarter birds trap themselves inside a one way enclosure.

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dweeze mutters...

Posted September 23, 2015
Natural nature is dirty, messy and smells funky. Human nature is ditry, messy and very funky which is why the civilised world invented concrete, plastic and antiseptic arse wipes.

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon asserts...

Posted September 23, 2015
I live in contentment with my magpie overlords. We are in agreement: i don't feed them, they don't get cranky when their food source goes on holidays.

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insomniac would have you know...

Posted September 23, 2015
Have you tried talking to them? There is a poem by Dennis Glover called The Magpies. Basically you need to start out by saying "quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle".

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted September 23, 2015
All kidding aside, are magpie's edible?

I will never forget the supreme disappointment I experienced when I learned that bush turkeys can't be cooked in any manner that will render them edible. Are you laughing, God? Sick bastard. A bird that big, that plentiful, that stupid and you can't eat it. That aint right.

insomniac reckons...

Posted September 23, 2015
Apparently the answer is yes.

Bangar would have you know...

Posted September 23, 2015
I believe the bush turkey recipe involves a rock ...

NBlob mutters...

Posted September 23, 2015
I've seen duck, chickens, ostriches & emu farmed. I wonder about Moa.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted September 24, 2015
Moa? I thought they were eaten into extinction.

w from brisbane is gonna tell you...

Posted September 24, 2015
For cooking techniques, maybe we can look to Iceland where smoked Puffin breast remains a favourite. As a matter of general interest, the modern Icelander also enjoys minke whale served as kebabs, in steak form, seared like tuna etc.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted September 25, 2015
Whale be good eatin. But best when eaten live.

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David Sher mumbles...

Posted October 9, 2015
Have the magpies drawn blood yet? I was once told by someone who used to be a friend that they prefer to attack visitors because they do like the taste of beer in the locks' blood. Possibly this means you are safe.

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