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Robocop reboot

Posted September 6, 2013 into Movies by John Birmingham

The first trailer is out and stoking the inevitable fires of nerd rage because it doesn't look much like the classic and much loved proto-fascist man-machine mash up.

Well duh.

Why should it?

Looks plenty awesome to me, and possibly somewhat thinkier if the producers are going to squeeze in a whole subject/object philisophy lesson in between the 'splosions.

I dips me titanium monobonded armour lid to AgingGamer for the heads up.

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Murphy swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted September 6, 2013

Saw it myself.

I think this has potential.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted September 6, 2013

I loved the original. I'm looking forward to this, and, remembering Brothers Grim, Prometheus and Man of Steel, I am hoping the preview I just saw isn't fraudulent.

Quokka is gonna tell you...

Posted September 6, 2013

What Boylan said, except I haven't seen Brothers Grimm.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted September 7, 2013

Don't, Q. But do see the trailer/preview. It is spectacular, advertising a film that doesn't exist.

w from brisbane is gonna tell you...

Posted September 7, 2013

I will defend the film Brothers Grimm a little.

It's a Terry Gilliam film. I don't like his films much and it does suffer from his weaknesses.
Messy, emotionally uninvolving, and a bit of a confused wank.
But, it is has a visual exuberance that is funny in its excess and has much to enjoy just watching how he tries to fit so much medieval dark forest Grimm_ness, while making a buddy movie, while oh shit I'd better insert pace.
From that perspective, there is quite a lot of fun.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted September 8, 2013

From the right perspective, National Socialism want that bad (at least it was an ethos).

The Brothers Grim wasn't all bad. Some of it was quite good. My pointis that the actual film wasn't the wonderful thing the previews advertised.

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NBlob reckons...

Posted September 6, 2013

Excellant nod to the ver 1 ED-209 @ 1:54.

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Lucian_Ventris mutters...

Posted September 6, 2013

This could be very cool. Some of Gary Oldman's dialouge there had a bit of "Ghost In The Shell : Stand Alone Complex" about it. If the film can mainain a tone like that and still kick arse, we could be in for some fun.

Barnesm reckons...

Posted September 6, 2013

And I think that's an important thing for a reboot to consider, how has the cultural environment changed since the first movie. It would ring hollow to make a new Robocop movie that didn't recognise the influence of GitS.

Barnesm puts forth...

Posted September 6, 2013

For example you couldn't remake Night of the living Dead and not refer to the 'walking dead' as zombies there are just too many cultural references to them to be credible and not call them Zed.

Lucian_Ventris swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted September 8, 2013

I think you are dead on about that. Seeing how a Robocop for our times and worries is going to work out will be really interesting. That is if the film is more then just a nostalgia cash grab. Here is hoping!

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Barnesm would have you know...

Posted September 6, 2013

It does look good, and they kept in the signature "Dead or Alive you are coming with me"

now if he could just loose the arm.

Bondiboy66 would have you know...

Posted September 7, 2013

Yeah I thought the arm a little odd. And they don't seem to have attempted to wipe his memory like in the original. Good to see ED209 return. Will the SUX5000, complete with Blaupunkt return also? And I hope the dark humour is retained as well.

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Rob would have you know...

Posted September 6, 2013

1. I hope its as subversive as Verhovans' flick.

2. and has boobs, lots of boobs in honour of Verhovans flicks.

3. gosh I hope they make another Dredd movie.

Barnesm ducks in to say...

Posted September 6, 2013

And by another Dredd movie I trust you mean another one starring Karl Urban not another one starring Sylvester Stallone.

Rob ducks in to say...

Posted September 6, 2013

I don't mind the first judge dredd. I especially liked the art direction, photography and costumes. It looked like the comic books, plus the story wasn't that terrible. The new one was really good. But needed more sarcasm and belly wheels and maybe chopper, oh and the smokatorium....

Bondiboy66 asserts...

Posted September 7, 2013

Word in the city blocks is that they want to do a Dredd movie with the Dark Judges...they might want to up the budget a bit for that one.

Barnesm mumbles...

Posted September 7, 2013

but I'd love to see Judge Dredd's response to Judge Fear's "gaze into the face of fear" comment up on the big screen though.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted September 8, 2013

The first Dredd was awful. The Karl Urban version was surprisingly good, and I admire any actor that is willing to be in a film where their face isn't shown.

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yankeedog reckons...

Posted September 6, 2013

I'm in. Looks pretty good. It's not a transmogrified Dave Lister fighting the Vindaloo Monster, but it'll do.

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Eamon Hamilton would have you know...

Posted September 7, 2013

Did you see the Director's original movie, Elite Squad? Because it is exactly the kind of movie you would want someone to make before they went on to do a Robocop reboot. The Director got cross at the Hollywood execs for interfering with his 'vision', but c'est la vie.

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Therbs mutters...

Posted September 9, 2013

I'd buy that for a dollar.

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Simon Pegg's excellent Star Trek prank

Posted September 4, 2013 into Movies by John Birmingham

Neutron cream. To protect you from teh neutrons.

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Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted September 5, 2013

Great prank but I want to live in a world where no one lacks the science knowledge to know that is ridiculous.

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted September 5, 2013

Even actors?

w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted September 5, 2013

In their defence, the prank occurred while that were filming at the National Ignition Facility, which actually sounds pretty scary.

From Wikipedia
"The National Ignition Facility, or NIF, is a large, laser-based inertial confinement fusion (ICF) research device located at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California, USA. NIF uses powerful lasers to heat and compress a small amount of hydrogen fuel to the point where nuclear fusion reactions take place. NIF's mission is to achieve fusion ignition with high energy gain, and to support nuclear weapon maintenance and design by studying the behavior of matter under the conditions found within nuclear weapons.[1] NIF is the largest and most energetic ICF device built to date."

Dave W mutters...

Posted September 5, 2013
In their defence? What defence? Perhaps being stupid enough to believe that their employer would put them into such a dangerous situation.
Why weren't they wondering where their radiation stunt double was? Make-up would have hidden the stunt dudes extra head...
Nah, they deserved it being caught on film.

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted September 5, 2013

Actually Dave, it seems to me they are being a bit brave.

I have a science degree and share Barnesm's wish for a more science savvy population. Or more particularly, I have a desperation and despair for more people to have a regard for facts and evidence. But, I have learnt to appreciate that different people have different aptitudes. We would be much the poorer if the human population was limited to mine.

In a scary place and committed to doing their jobs and willing to risk it with dobs of cream and wiggling. It seems to me these people are made of the right stuff.

NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted September 5, 2013

Again with the excellant thinky W.

How crap would We be if we were all more closely alike in tastes, abilities, predelictions, kinks, aptitudes? Very Crap indeed I suspect.

Despite showing excellance; eradicating polio, smallpox and rinderpest, putting an RC RV on Mars & 733 kg of Smart out past Pluto, writing music that can chill, explodey airport thrillers that, er thrill, and constructed elaborate rituals that allow the transfer of power from group A to group B without spilling brains on the carpet, we still do a lot of crap things. Race hate. Exploit poverty stricken orphans (wearing anything made in bangladesh?) Polute and over-consume. Vote LNP.

I wonder if one could graph incidence of assholery over diversity? There has been some spectacular Intra-communal violence. I wonder if there is a multi-ethnic, multi-faith multi everything community of outstanding tranquility and peace.

Japan is about as mono-cultural, monolingual & homogenous a nation as I can imagine with a *relatively* peaceful history. Or does that just reflect my uter pig-ignorance on the many discreet micro-cultures of the Japanese home islandsand their gore-soaked history.

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Murphy would have you know...

Posted September 5, 2013

Umm. . .

Can you mastrubate with it?

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

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Quokka mumbles...

Posted September 5, 2013

Murph, I think somebody already has. :)

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Darth Greybeard would have you know...

Posted September 6, 2013

Dammit. Paramount has removed the video.

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Australian Star Wars kicks arse, eh

Posted August 1, 2013 into Movies by John Birmingham

Gizmodo thought it was ruined by the accents, but I very much enjoyed the whole overdone Antipodean Grotesque thing. And the fx are bonzer. A little shout out to Ipad Today, who originally alerted me to it.

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Stevo 73 has opinions thus...

Posted August 1, 2013

That is pure AWSM, possibly AWSM to the power of AWSM.

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w from brisbane reckons...

Posted August 1, 2013

How could something be ruined by Australian accents? That is impossible.
The Australian accent is pure euphony. It is a delight and glory to the ear.
It is how the angels talk.
Fair Dinkum!

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Rob mumbles...

Posted August 1, 2013

you mean ruined like replacing the original Boba Fett voice with Jake the Muss from Once Were Warriors? Or making every stormtrooper apaprently the same Maori guy? or little Boba sounding like a kid from a kiwi Cornflakes TV advert....

oh it still hurts after all these years. the misery of a franchise killed by its own creator.......

pi ducks in to say...

Posted August 1, 2013

My six-year-old thinks the entire series is just about the best thing that's ever been invented. Who am I to argue? His favorite movie in the series is Revenge of the Sith.

w from brisbane mutters...

Posted August 1, 2013

Revenge of the Sith is at least in the top half.

Rob has opinions thus...

Posted August 1, 2013

it still hurts.... i mean what the hell was the Mech Union? if you want to know what I think , you just have to watch the red letter media reviews. Serioulsy it's better than the films.

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Anthony is gonna tell you...

Posted August 1, 2013

You've got an absolute pisser there mate!

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monkeymind reckons...

Posted August 1, 2013

I was hoping for a Mad Max II / Star wars mashup.

Max Skywalker and r2d2 is an android blue heeler. Darth Humungus, lord of the Galaxy (and the waste land).

Brother PorkChop would have you know...

Posted August 1, 2013

Along with Darth Toecutter, Darth NightRider and Darth Bubba Zanetti

Lulu has opinions thus...

Posted August 2, 2013

And Darth Torana.

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Bunyip reckons...

Posted August 1, 2013

The use of the word 'drongo' in a Sci Fi epic: +1

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Dylwah is gonna tell you...

Posted August 1, 2013

Awsm. All those flamings and bloomins put me in mind of CJ Dennis' Austra____laise, and then the little blokes started looking like the 'Glugs of Gosh'.

Fellers of Australier,

Blokes an' coves an' coots,

. . . .

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TC is gonna tell you...

Posted August 1, 2013

Faaaaark, that's awesome. Might become me new favourite movie of all time.

Although I was hoping to see a Holden badge on the... er... almost-X-wing...

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Ed would have you know...

Posted August 1, 2013

Laser fucking boomerangs.

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Blarkon puts forth...

Posted August 1, 2013

This was posted in the comments here a few weeks back ;-p

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Barnesm has opinions thus...

Posted August 1, 2013

Streth

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Brother PorkChop is gonna tell you...

Posted August 1, 2013
Strike a light mate, that's deadset fuckin' bonza. Did ya see the head on that the sheila in the 4th scene? Seen better heads hanging over a trough.

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Darth Outback Jim puts forth...

Posted August 1, 2013

How the hell did Australia afford to make this fan film?! Strewth!

Nothin' wrong with the Aussie accent. Fair dinkum!

The real reason why Order 66 was so successful: The Emperor knew that the clone troopers were cloned from a Kiwi. Palpatine just made sure he got all the clone troopers drunk first and then said all those Jedi yahoos were messin' with your missus!

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yankeedog has opinions thus...

Posted August 1, 2013

At the end, I believe I caught a character proclaim 'Ya muppets!' Who does that sound like (cough)Havock(cough)?

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted August 2, 2013

I don't understand you people.

Seriously. Other than "bloody," "reckon" and "bugger off" I couldn't understand anything else.

Lulu would have you know...

Posted August 2, 2013

I guess that's 'mission accomplished' for Operation Secret Code Language, then.

Darth Bloody Wilson mutters...

Posted August 2, 2013

Ya fair dinkum can't suss the lingo? Ya either a 'cken Drongo or a bloody Septic Tank.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted August 2, 2013

That's all I need: a munted ocker in a blue singlet and rubber thongs with a tinnie in his hand who doesn't realize this seppo was taking the piss.

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Therbs mutters...

Posted August 2, 2013

Strike me roan and purple, its not as if we carry on like a mob of galahs all the time Paul. Give us a fair crack of the whip and she'll be bonzer. Anyway mate its almost time to hit the rubbity for a few pigs ears. Cop ya later.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted August 3, 2013

Don't come the raw prawn with me, cobber. Posh Sydneysiders like you prefer wine.

Darth Greybeard swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 3, 2013

Cor Paulers, yer spot on there. There's no flies on you, eh? It's as cold as a penguin's arsehole here in Melbourne so we just knocked back a coupla pints of mulled wine. Can't stick a beer on the barbie when it's cold can yer?

NBlob reckons...

Posted August 3, 2013

It'd be Paulo

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ShaneAlpha ducks in to say...

Posted August 4, 2013

You realise this is just Episode One.

Just wait until Episode 2.

Star Wars : Aotearoa

Eh.

Rob mutters...

Posted August 5, 2013

episode 2 ;aoteroa was attack of the clones. for all intents and purposes.

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Obi Wanker Nobe would have you know...

Posted August 6, 2013

I'd like to see a Storm Trooper say a few dying words. Such as

"Yeah too slow - fair cop"

or

"Me bloody phaser's bent - swear to God I had that Solo prick in me sights"

or

"At least I won't have to live in this bloody Storm Trooper suit any more - just taking a crap is a federal bloody case"

or

"Up ya bum".

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Ender's gay, d'oh, sorry, game

Posted July 18, 2013 into Movies by John Birmingham

Couldn't resist that one.

Been meaning to write something about the schermozzle surrounding the Ender's Game film adaptation and the raging tizz some folk have worked themselves into because Orson Scott Card has expressed some douchey opinions on teh gayz.

I haven't read the book, but will probably see the film or at least rent it because sci-fi. Couldn't care less about Card and boycotting the movie won't cost him a single dollar. He's already been paid. The money drops on the first day of principal photography in these deals, not when the movie comes out, or when the accountants say it's turned a profit.

In Hollywood tax math no movie ever turns a profit. Ever. That's why you get your dough up front if your agent is worth their 15%.

I could spend a whole heap of time thinking through a rational response to the boycott call, but John Scalzi has already done it at his blog. Whole thing is here. But the hero pars are:

If your conscience tells you to boycott or avoid the film because of Card’s positions on the rights of gays and lesbians, then, you know, do it. Card is entitled to speak his mind on gays and lesbians and same-sex marriage. You are equally entitled, on the basis of that speech and his political efforts, to decide not to support him or a film based on his work. That’s entirely fair.

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In a larger sense, look: Art originates from people. People have opinions and thoughts and actions, many of which are largely unrelated to their art. In learning about those largely unrelated opinions, thoughts and actions, you may find some of them, some the people they are coming out of, offensive, obnoxious, insulting or even dangerous. They may eventually keep you from being able to enjoy the art these people produce.

When and if that happens, that’s fine. If it doesn’t happen — if you can totally divorce the art from the human who created it — that’s fine, too.

There are lots of creators, be they writers, film makers, game devs, whatever, you would surely fucking hate if you ever met. Often the gifts that make someone worth following as an artist double as very good reasons why you wouldn't invite them to dinner. Except for me, of course. I'm lovely.

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Barnesm mutters...

Posted July 18, 2013

I like Mr Scalzi's take, and I read the books in my youth and its a brilliant book to read if you're a young male. The story is such an excellent example of the hero's journey that it could be used as a template. I think one of the reasons I didn't enjoy the other books in the universe so much is that they deviated from this plan.

I won't be seeing it on the big screen, but will watch it when it comes to Foxtel in a couple of years. I realise it won't directly affect Mr Card, but if the movie underperforms then studios might in future conisder the authors public championing of reprehensible issues when they select which stories to make into to films. It has already resulted in the studio executives saying they will keep Mr Card away from as much publicity as possible shows the calls for a boycott are having an influence. The studio has also said "Lionsgate will continue its longstanding commitment to the LGBT community by exploring new ways we can support LGBT causes and, as part of this ongoing process, will host a benefit premiere for ENDER’S GAME". So perhaps this will cause the studios to think abit more about these issues in future.

I chortled when I read Mr Card's complaints about the calls for a boycott

"Ender’s Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984. With the recent Supreme Court ruling, the gay marriage issue becomes moot. The Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution will, sooner or later, give legal force in every state to any marriage contract recognized by any other state. Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents of gay marriage will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute"

The famous you're very intolerant of my intolerance gambit.

For me its a simple matter of - its a movie, I see it for entertainment, I can simply choose not to see it. I am not asking the studio to ban it, not picketing the movie theatre to not show it. I am Not saying you are morally reprehensible for going to the movie.

Alyssa Rosenberg provided guide which I found useful to me on this issue over at Thinkprogress.

I am saying I won't spend money to see it on the big screen, and my reason why.

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Barnesm mumbles...

Posted July 18, 2013

You should also include the trailer in your piece above becuase the movie looks AWESOME.

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w from brisbane swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 18, 2013

Arguably, the prime example of this boycotting is the fact that no Wagner opera have ever been staged in Israel.
This despite Wagner dying a few years before Hitler was born.
The playing of Wagner's music has been a strongly debated topic in Israel and within the Jewish diaspora, basically since WW2.

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Rob asserts...

Posted July 18, 2013

I always rely on the genius of TISM in these situtations, perhaps its sometime better that you don't know what your artists are really thinking. .

'Dylan Thomas was a pisshead
Jackson Pollock was a prick
Norman Mailer hates women
It's the end of season trip'

I once asked Henry Rollins if he was homophobic. His response was a bit shit.

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Shifty Tourist has opinions thus...

Posted July 18, 2013

Well said. Reminds me a bit about the mythos surrounding Bod Dylan. The whole, "voice of a generation" thing... he's generally vehemently denied this, and despite getting involve in the odd campaign, ultimately claims he was not trying to be political and he is just a singer... and not claiming to just be a singer in enigmatice "are you the messiah?.... its you who say I am" kind of sense.

People have added meaning to much of his work, to which he argues were just pretty sounding words mashed together poetically... sure sometimes these songs expressed the zietgeist, but thats because issues that were going on were a good vehicle for expressing the feeling he was trying to create.... not from any deep feeling for the cause itself.

Thats why its strange that people felt betrayed by him when he changed from folk to electic... even though as a performer its natural to change and experiment.... its also why some people feel betrayed by him now that it is clear that he is really only intersted in golf and money.... also a natural progression for an aging rocker.

Not sure how relevant this is.... but it reminded me of it.

Barnesm has opinions thus...

Posted July 18, 2013

Only the true messiah will deny his divinity.

w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted July 18, 2013

"I never wanted to be a prophet or savior. Elvis maybe."
Bob Dylan

yankeedog has opinions thus...

Posted July 18, 2013

Dylan is not the messiah! He's a very naughty boy...

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Trowzers ducks in to say...

Posted July 18, 2013

I don't see the point of boycotting the movie, as it's someone else's interpretation of something he wrote that was around before he became such a notable knobhead, but I respect the opinion of those who choose to do it. I probably won't buy any more of his books, which is only partly because of wanting to send some kind of 'NOPE' towards his archaic and kinda offensive standpoint, but also because none of them seem to be as interesting as Ender's Game.

I also think some of Hitler's paintings are actually pretty nice.

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Shifty Tourist is gonna tell you...

Posted July 18, 2013

The issue makes me wonder about the whole idea about punishing or attempting to punish people for the views they hold.

Does lead me to wonder, do we want to punish people for the views, or do we want to try to change their mind about an issue.... it strikes me that those to aims are mutually exclusive.

Yelling at people, telling them they are a dinosaur, caveman etc seems to me to have only one ultimate result.... hardening their views against a cause. This seems to be no such an issue when dealing with a celebrity/artist/pollie etc. But is a big issue if your are trying to convince a critical mass of the electorate to support a cause in the sense of making it an election turning issue. A majority in support is not enough, because while alot of people support marriage equality, its not a dealbreaker electorally. This means you are almost certainly going to have to convince people to change their minds who don't support the cause.

Ultimately, while the greatest enemy of the marriage equality cause may be the looney far right, I can't help thinkning that their greatest ally in keeping the cause down is the screaming left.

w from brisbane has opinions thus...

Posted July 18, 2013

The controversy is certainly great publicity for the film and will, almost certainly, increase box office takings. Just because, noise creates interest.

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Bunyip asserts...

Posted July 18, 2013

For some commentators, this will not be about changing the minds of people; it will be all about been seen/heard to be vocal about an issue. For some, cred is being first aboard the bandwagon. Rather than constructive social change.

Barnesm asserts...

Posted July 18, 2013

HEY Bunyip are you looking at me when you say that (I don't think you were but run with me on this) my new RSS software just let me know that Birmo had posted a new Cheeseburger Topic and I had time to respond, just happened to be first to post.

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robW is gonna tell you...

Posted July 18, 2013

Card was a Mormon writer and Mormon apologist long before he was a fiction writer. His position against gays and lesbians is completely consistent with Mormon belief. He will not and he says he can not separate his Mormon belief from his position on gays and lesbians. By the very nature of those conservative beliefs he cannot and never will These are people who posthumously converted Jews gassed at Dachau and Aushwitz to Mormonism--obviously without their permission--to save their souls. These people have very strong beliefs and a very strong internal support system and nattering about a movie isn't going to make a lick of difference. They really could care less about what the outside world thinks.

For protestors to be internally consistent--and consistency has never been the trait of a protestor--they need to not only boycott the movie, they need to boycott the entire state of Utah. Stop flying Delta Airlines because it has a hub in Salt Lake City, cease going to the Grand Canyon because part of it touches Utah. When driving to San Francisco from Chicago, go 1,000 miles out of the way to avoid the state altogether. Stop reading westerns because Utah is the home of the Riders of the Purple Sage. Quit flying American Airlines because Skywest feeder airlines is a Mormon corporation based in St. George, Utah. Come to think of it, they service United Airlines, too. Quit skiing in the Washatch mountains and for heaven's sake stop watching those Sundance Films because the were first screened in Utah. Blackball that Brazilian restaurant chain where the waiters run around with skewers of meats and slice the meat with sharp knives at the table because, after all, it's owned by Mormons--Utah Mormons.

In any case, to single out Card is like blaming the fox for hunting rabbit. Mormons are not known for their liberality or flexibility and expecting them to change overnight is a waste of time.

Barnesm puts forth...

Posted July 18, 2013

But the Mormon church isn't producing the movie are they? I thought one of the complaints people levelled against atheists such as myself is we lump all members of religion in together.

There a lot of members of the Mormon church who haven't been as outspoken as Mr Card, for example in 2009 Mr Card became a member of the board of directors of the National Organization for Marriage which had devoted considerable efforts into opposing the legal recognition of gay marriage not all members of the Mormon church have done that. Mr Card called homosexual individuals "suffer from tragic genetic mixups," not all members of the Mormon church said that.

simon mumbles...

Posted July 18, 2013

Mormons incurable honesty unfortunately makes them say things that everyone else knows they should keep to themselves. I mean, they seriously are batshit crazy but they are also very consistent so you know where you stand (whether you like it or not), and that has its advantages. There is no point in boycotting though, or even trying to change his opinion, (it would cause problems within the mormon community for him), and why would anyone want to anyway? It's not like his ideas hurt the lgbt cause, and might even have helped it, since public opinion would probably only be negatively affected by the mormon endorsement or stamp of approval.

Barnesm mutters...

Posted July 18, 2013

I don't think the target is Mr Card but to make the studios think twice before choosing such an author's work to make into a movie.

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Murphy has opinions thus...

Posted July 18, 2013

Oh bother.

This is pretty typical of the American Science Fiction Community.

I'm seeing the film. Fuck the boycott.

Respects,

Murph

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Blarkon ducks in to say...

Posted July 18, 2013

Gave the book to my son yesterday. I understand why people think you shouldn't divorce the artist from their philosophical/political views - but it seems to me like something that's going to come back and bite people. It's a bit rich to complain about internet echo chambers when you're gradually advocating not experiencing stuff created by people whose views you don't agree with.

Tony Curtis once said that he didn't identify as Democrat or Republican specifically because he knew identifying as either was a sure way to lose part of his audience who would otherwise enjoy his work.

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon puts forth...

Posted July 18, 2013

I have read two of his books, Enders Game and the Alvin Maker one. They were good yarns but you could tell his position on things based on that Alvin one. Just assumed he was a belieber (sorry, couldn't help that one). I'm coming from an atheist viewpoint and it didn't bother me too much - just assumed his stance on gay and lesbians wouldn't exactly be in line with me (or even in the same dimension).

Not really into boycotts as a form of expressing my distaste either. It does come into my mind every now and again - like visiting chicken oriented fast food places the main thing that runs through my head is "chickens eating chickens" and i turn around.

The other point i have is: i have a mate who is a musician and a roadie. He gets to meet a lot of people that create great music. I have to put my fingers in my ears and yell "lalalalalalala" if on the rare occasion he does talk about his job and the people he meets. It does take the shine off something when you find out the creator of something you love turns out to be a right royal douchebag. Ignorance is bliss.

p.s. won't be paying to see the filim. But that's due to time contraints, not my personal views clashing with the guy who wrote the book the movie was based on.

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Chaz swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 18, 2013

Card viewpoints are outdated & bigotted, but lets face it we have a PM who until recently (allegedly) didn't support same sex marriage and he's a very popular person.

I'll watch the movie on a flight probably and won't make a concious effort not too as i don't think a boycott would achieve anything.

There is only one actor I will make an active attempt to boycott and thats Sean Penn, its a shame because he's a great actor but the mans views on latin American politics are crap....

Barnesm mumbles...

Posted July 18, 2013

But in Card's case its more than he's not supporting gay marriage, he is vocal and outspoken in his condemnation of homosexuals. If he was just not supportive, or indeed only responded when asked what his opinions were then I would be off to see the movie.

From wikipidea Card has declared his disapproval of homosexuality and same-sex marriage, stating in 2009 that homosexual individuals "suffer from tragic genetic mixups," and that the term "homophobe" is used in order to imply that opponents of the "homosexual activist agenda" are mentally ill. Card stated in 2008 that "[t]here is no branch of government with the authority to redefine marriage," and in 2009 became a member of the board of directors of the National Organization for Marriage, a group that seeks to maintain the traditional definition of marriage as a union between one man and one woman.Card resigned from the Board sometime in 2013.

This is more then not supportive. And in regards to the effect of the boycott we have already seen the studio react to the proposed boycott by attempting to distance themselves from Mr Card and announced "said "Lionsgate will continue its longstanding commitment to the LGBT community by exploring new ways we can support LGBT causes and, as part of this ongoing process, will host a benefit premiere for ENDER’S GAME"..

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Posted July 19, 2013

As I said Cards view are outdated and bigoted, i was drawing a bow in saying that acceptance of the LGBT community is less than effusive amongst alot of the pre- Gen X generations and our illustrious reincarnated PM's position on the same might be allegedly malleble... :))

no less than the Mad Monks.

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pi puts forth...

Posted July 18, 2013

So he's a git. Won't stop me seeing the movie, AND in the big screen. It's such an awesome book.

I call this 'the warnie rule'. If I boycotted everything that had some bogan in it front and centre, I wouldn't have watched cricket for 20 years. ah... but the man was a wizard with the ball.

monkeymind would have you know...

Posted July 19, 2013

It's such an awesome book.

Really? I found it the most overated piece of science fiction of its time.

The macguffin was obvious about a quarter of the way through.

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Brother PorkChop ducks in to say...

Posted July 18, 2013

I will be taking the boys to see it in spite of the authors opinions, beliefs and the like, whether they are right or wrong. I don't know him, and I didn't know of his asshattery until the Brigadier put it in front of me. And I still don't really care, for him or his opinions - it is just a movie. I am pretty sure I could find some dirt on lots of artists - Travolta and his beliefs (and his involvement in Battlefield Earth), Gibson and his hypocrisy, Geldorf and his aversion to bathing, Knightly and her perfect pout.

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w from brisbane mumbles...

Posted July 18, 2013

I think I will boycott the film as a protest against Card's deranged and poisonous views against members of our human family who happen to have different sexual preferences.
But, if the film turns out to be bloody entertaining, I think I will see the film as a statement that I will not join in punitive witch hunts against people who peacefully express alternate views.
Either way, I will be awesome.

Though, I could do what most protesting SciFi fans will do. I will illegally download the film, but just not tell anybody.

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Anthony would have you know...

Posted July 18, 2013

Sorry, I just could never get into the Card books, they're OK but just lack something. There's a real irony here though. I was introduced to them by an enthusiastic fan I know - she's a very 'out there' lesbian.

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damian puts forth...

Posted July 18, 2013

Card's outspoken opinions make be radically uninterested in his work in any form. I don't advocate a boycott, I don't advocate opposing one, I just don't have any motivation to pay attention. There is plenty of stuff that has a reasonable call on my attention, the work of some stupid, ignorant onanist does not pertain.

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Blarkon would have you know...

Posted July 18, 2013

I know I've been quietly unfollowing people who are getting overly strident about it. There's a thing in communities where people reinforce their place by being the most strident about a particular issue. With this one people seem to be falling over themselves in how far they can push the boycott: At some point if you are tearing down posters and defacing the tie-in novels, you've probably gone a bit far.

Murphy mutters...

Posted July 19, 2013

There is a lot of this within certain strains of the American Science Fiction Community. Frankly, I've found that if I pay too much attention to it, it induces the worst sort of writer's block.

Thus I generally follow the same tack Blarkon does.

Respects,

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Barnesm would have you know...

Posted July 19, 2013

At some point if you are tearing down posters and defacing the tie-in novels, you've probably gone a bit far. _ Agreed.

Though I have been tempted to modify the cover on the audio book for world war Z since it bears a scene from the movie. I have wanted to put a large warning label. NOTHING LIKE THIS MOVIE

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Posted July 19, 2013

There does seem to be some reviewers that are more interested in whether the cast and plot of any science fiction novel addresses "important questions of gender, equality and diversity" rather than "does it tell a good story?" and "are there awesome spaceships and explosions". Those things are important, but there's a difference between pushing and being pulled by the wheelbarrow.

Barnesm mutters...

Posted July 19, 2013

and I am sure there is someone at a university that will go over these books to establish just what proportion there are of each for these stories.

But as you say addressing these issues is no guarantee of a good story. Mind you having a story that addresses these issues doesn't mean it can't be good.

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Posted July 19, 2013

Of course not - I just don't think that there should be a checklist where a book isn't deemed worthy because it doesn't tick off enough elements that indicate that the author has reached a benchmark level of gender, sexuality, and race awareness.

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Barnesm reckons...

Posted July 18, 2013

Does put a different spin on him naming the insectoid aliens we fight in Ender's Game 'buggers'.

Blarkon mumbles...

Posted July 19, 2013

I'm waiting for the boycott of Toyota because of their infamous "Bugger" commercial. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbBx4Ql6Umo

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Posted July 19, 2013

I routinely divorce an author's opinions from their works and have no problem doing so. I don't mind buying a book written by an author with very different views whether political or religious. But Orson Scott Card is one of the members of the board of directors for the National Organization of Marriage and has said that any government which recognizes same sex marriages should be overthrown by force. He has repeatedly stated that gay men and women should repent and that they are innately dysfunctional. He has even called for a return of sodomy laws, effectively criminalizing gay men and women.

And John I love ya (and Scalzi too), but if OSC had said stuff like this about people of color or people of a particular religion (say Jews or Catholics), no one would be saying "Oh, well he just has a different opinion, why can't you be tolerant and respect that?".

So no, I won't be going to see Ender's Game. I'm sorry that I won't be able to support the work of actors I like but I cannot in good conscience put money into the pocket of OSC and NOM, even indirectly.

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Murphy would have you know...

Posted July 19, 2013

I have to say, I don't get the appeal of Scalzi at all.

On any level.

Birmo tells me it is because he has a sense of humor.

If so, I can't see it.

Trips to Whatever are usually performed under professional duress.

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Blarkon swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 19, 2013

Scalzi is insanely clever. He built a big audience through years of blogging, figured out what it wanted in terms of books, and wrote those books. He has an excellent sense of what his audience wants. He doesn't write the sort of mind twisting cool hard SF that you'll get out of someone like Al Reynolds - but that's not where the biggest segment of the genre book buying public is. The biggest audience for this type of work is slap bang where Scalzi is writing - Forever War and RedShirts are exactly what the audience wants. And being able to do that takes a bucket of talent. Being able to write something that looks easy to write can be much harder than writing something more complicated.

Barnesm puts forth...

Posted July 19, 2013

He certainly seems to have put in the time to build the audience with his blogging. In some ways reminds me a bit of what Birmo's doing with the Cheeseburger.

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Posted July 19, 2013

I didn't say he didn't have talent.

I am simply saying that I don't see it. I don't get the appeal of most of Margaret Atwood's stuff but she sells.

OTOH, book sales do not lie. But I do wonder how much some of his book sales have to do with him trying to stay in front of the herd rather than leading or simply doing his own thing?

I might add, he isn't the only writer who does what you describe. The stable of Baen writers appears to be fairly adept at figuring out what their readers want and then delivering precisely that to them. Which means that Scalzi isn't particularly unique in that regard.

As for the blog . . . well, I'd rather read Stross. At least I feel once I've read Stross for the day that I have learned something. Scalzi merely repeats most of what I heard through the bulk of my undergrad and grad school courses.

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Murph

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Barnesm asserts...

Posted July 19, 2013

Oh I certainly agree. I would hunt down a new Stross with much more elan than I would a new Scalzi. I did enjoy Redshirts but that was more becuase I am a long time fan of Star Trek than his writing. In some ways its a bit of a shame he wrote it as it means other writers who I prefer wouldn't write their own take on the meta-narrative in Star trek since he has done it.

Especially Stross given how magnificent was his take on the spy/Lovecraft genre in his laundry series.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted July 20, 2013

I enjoyed Redshirts as well. But I am not proud of that.

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Blarkon asserts...

Posted July 19, 2013

I do wish that the major awards went to the types of writers that were doing the mind bendingly cool idea stuff - but the nature of the Hugos and Nebulas is that they are popularity contests. The reason that the same authors tend to win those awards is that those authors have a target lock on the audience that votes for those awards. (The Vorkosigan books aren't within 100 parsecs of the cutting edge of SF - but then again, neither is the group of people that vote for the Hugo awards)

Barnesm mutters...

Posted July 19, 2013

The same complaint is leveled against the oscars. I mean will Sharknado even see a nomination at the ceremony? and new catagory best movie involving a shark not in a marine environment, I think not.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan ducks in to say...

Posted July 20, 2013

I cannot give a flying fuck what Card says about gay marriage. I've been waiting for this film for a very long time and I am going to see it.

BTW, the back story on why the film took so long to be made is noteworthy. The delay is all Card's fault. Unduely complex rights negotiations left him with a great deal of say over the production, and he insisted that actual six year old actors be found to play Ender & Co. The only reason why the film was possible is because he relented.

damian is gonna tell you...

Posted July 20, 2013

See, this makes me even less interested.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted July 20, 2013

We are so different, you and I. In my world, that adds value to the movie going experience.

Remind me one day to tell you about the initial plan to produce Gone With the Wind with an all midget cast.

Murphy puts forth...

Posted July 21, 2013

Lulz.

Respects,

Murph

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted July 21, 2013

You think I'm kidding?

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How Man of Steel should've ended

Posted July 17, 2013 into Movies by John Birmingham

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RogueBitz mumbles...

Posted July 17, 2013

When I was watching the movie, somewher in the back of my mind I kept thinking that every time a building collapsed or things fell out of the sky towards the Earth, that whilst the action looked awesome, hundreds/thousands of people would have been canon fodder. Perhaps that's what we really need - a catastrophic event to wake us out of our numbness and to scare the shit out of Gen Y. Or perhaps a bubble of some sort that just appears without explanation, vaporises millions of people, causes mayhem and then years later disappears...oh wait...I think I read that somewhere :-P

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GhostSwirv ducks in to say...

Posted July 17, 2013

Hey RogueBitz, you're talking about Under the Dome right, boy that Stephen King can write!

But what's all the fuss about mayhem and property damage, did you all know that today is the 25th Anniversary of the release of 'Die Hard' - so did John McClane concern himself with where the debris field was after he blew up parts of the Nakatomi Towers to kill the Euro-trash bad guys? No he did not!

He certainly knew how to dropkick a body to get Officer Powell's attention.

When you add a few superpowers to the mix the body count just naturally gets higher, its a law of DC/Marvel nature, and if it isn't - it bloody well should be.

GhostSwirv over and out to find Silk Spectre's guns - she fell off the shelf and now she's practically defenceless in front of the Comedian.

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Barnesm ducks in to say...

Posted July 18, 2013

Please tell me Supes didn't consult a random priest in man of Steel.

I loved Space Rusty's "Plenty of time, here's what you need to do".

I also love they now add extended bits at the end, just like the movies.

w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted July 18, 2013

Yes, Superman consulted a priest, Father Leone. in Man of Steel.
Though, apparently Father Leone first appeared in Superman issue #204 in June 2004.

Barnesm mumbles...

Posted July 18, 2013

Thanks W, that makes that little quip in the HISHE even funnier for me now.

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Sharknado. Stop the Oscar train, we've reached our destination

Posted July 12, 2013 into Movies by John Birmingham

I don't know which is better, a tornado full of flying sharks, or the magnificent cast of once popular actors who bring such gravitas to this fine example of the cinematic arts.

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embilbie reckons...

Posted July 12, 2013

- "We're gonna throw bombs. Into the Tornado."- "It's too dangerous!"

Ohhhhh yeahhhhhhhh.

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Bunyip swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 12, 2013

Chainsawing an entire shark down it's length; spectular. In other news, this is on my "Don't watch if sober" list.

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JG mutters...

Posted July 12, 2013

Harhardeehahaha. Fabulous. So wacky, yet so fun. I like sharks. Must see. Who the hell would come up with this idea? Sharks from space. Anyone seen Pacific Rim yet? That looks pretty good for a 'splodey movie.

Cheers.

JG :)

P.S. Wish I'd seen the cricket last night. So who's this Ashton Agar sensation? My mum was raving about the match last night.

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Darth Greybeard ducks in to say...

Posted July 12, 2013

As I said on Twitter, this movie proves that the whole "human civilisation" experiment has been a tragic failure*. I will, with deep regret, be activating my home made Doomsday Machine as soon as I've watched the movie in a suitably semi-pissed state. Just to be sure.

* See also: Boy Bands, Tele-evangelists, microwavable pies with soggy crusts, hip-hop, Russell Crowe, Tom Cruise, reconstituted orange juice, Dr Pepper, Dr Phil, Dr Spock, Dr Dre, Dr Mengele, Doctor in the House, Ford, Uwe Boll, shoulder pads, MC Hammer pants, Donald Trump's hair, Gina Rinehart's poetry, XXXX, Mongolian Death Worms, The Phantom Menace, Michael Buble, Eddie McGuire . . .

It's not like I didn't give you a chance Civilisation, is it? But you blew it.

Spanner mutters...

Posted July 12, 2013

Before I'd seen the trailer I was begging you not to activate the doomsday device until I'd tasted Madam Q's CHEESECAKE.

I have now watched the trailer. DO IT. Push the button. Kill us all. It will be a merciful end. I don't care if I never taste the food of the gods just end humanity now.

Spanner puts forth...

Posted July 12, 2013

This better be a proper DOOMsday device.

I expect to see burning sky's, boiling seas, the dead walking and Rupert Murdoch controlling the media.

Barnesm would have you know...

Posted July 13, 2013

Greybeard i'd like to point out that the Nadir of Western Civilisation was reached on the 25th Setember 2009 according to the above article.

ASHINGTON—An international panel of leading anthropologists, cultural critics, biologists, and social theorists announced this week that Western civilization will reach its lowest conceivable point at 3:32 p.m. Friday.

"From the prehistoric Lascaux cave paintings to the stirring symphonies of Mozart to today's hot-dog eating competitions and action films with comical gerbils, culture has descended into a festering pool of mass ignorance," said Yale sociologist Paul Riordan, who has spent his career analyzing western civilization's fall into the depths of depravity. "If our calculations are correct, this complete erosion of all that is enlightened and unique will reach absolute rock bottom on the afternoon of Sept. 25, 2009."

Added Riordan, "It is scientifically impossible for civilization to sink any lower than it will this Friday."

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Josh reckons...

Posted July 12, 2013

"We're going to need a bigger chopper"

Nice

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Stevo 73 would have you know...

Posted July 12, 2013

Hmmmmm better than Snakes On A Plane?

John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted July 12, 2013

Quite possibly.

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Naut has opinions thus...

Posted July 12, 2013

I think we need a new word, awesome is just not going to suffice.

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Trowzers is gonna tell you...

Posted July 12, 2013

Oh cheap CGI, you have a lot of spectacular and hilarious things to answer for.

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Anthony mumbles...

Posted July 12, 2013

I wait breathlessly for the Dark Matter sequel - and for the cheap ripoff version Pirahanacane.

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JG swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 12, 2013

Snap! Pointy sharp teeth do popcorn dance on flesh. I like running to 'Popcorn',

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JG asserts...

Posted July 12, 2013

Snap! Pointy sharp teeth do popcorn dance on flesh. I like running to 'Popcorn',

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Murphy is gonna tell you...

Posted July 12, 2013

Sad to consider that The Hangover trilogy is better than . . . did someone actually invest time writing the script for this crap? I mean the only redeeming value seems to be tits.

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Jayanthi's Atomic Cat mumbles...

Posted July 16, 2013
More concerning that someone got paid for it, perhaps? Or maybe it was a labour of love. I shall not mock. Any idea about production costs...and chances of breaking even?

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mumbles...

Posted July 13, 2013

This fine film has everything that Man of Steel lacked. I will see this over and over again.

Darth Greybeard reckons...

Posted July 13, 2013

"This fine film has everything that Man of Steel lacked." So that would be sharks and boobs? Which i guess is OK unless it was sharks with . . . OMG, I've just had a plot for the next SyFy Blocklustre. We'll call it "Great Whites". Tag lines anyone?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted July 13, 2013

As John reports, educated pundits opine that the sharks and boobs amply depicted in Sharknado (not the film's original title) are symbolic of the divide - or "cleavage" - endemic in American political culture. What bullshit. Their juxtaposition is clever metaphor, nothing more.

Dino not to be confused with puts forth...

Posted July 13, 2013

Yeah Paul,

All this 'breast milk is better' crowd have never had a "biter" have they?

Let them try it I say!

Band aid for ya nipple?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan would have you know...

Posted July 13, 2013

Damn, I crack myself up.

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Chaz ducks in to say...

Posted July 13, 2013

Had alot of my twitter feed contain scene by scene spoilers yesterday.

Mainly by me learned friends in the Foreign Policy field

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Johnny B Gone has opinions thus...

Posted July 15, 2013

Meh, I still reckon Sharktopus eat this movie for breakfast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U87zVkIXNI0

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Jayanthi's Atomic Cat mumbles...

Posted July 16, 2013
Gotta love one of the comments after the writer interview...'This movie is the fin end of the wedge' ...lol. Thanks for the link, w. At least the guy doesn't take himself or the movie seriously.

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Jayanthi's Atomic Cat puts forth...

Posted July 16, 2013
Gotta love one of the comments after the writer interview...'This movie is the fin end of the wedge' ...lol. Thanks for the link, w. At least the guy doesn't take himself or the movie seriously.

Jayanthi's Atomic Cat puts forth...

Posted July 16, 2013
Just showed Better Half and the response was 'That's not a real movie, is it?'

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