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Perhaps a simple cartoon might help

Posted April 9, 2013 into Science and Tech by John Birmingham

I really wanted to run this at Blunty today, but figured I was already taxing everyone's patience with a 3500 word blog post.

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Barnesm puts forth...

Posted April 9, 2013

Great piece of art/work.

Remember that great scene with Jeff Goulblum in the movie The Big Chill.

""Don't knock rationalization. Where would we be without it? I don't know anyone who'd get through the day without two or three juicy rationalizations. They're more important than sex".

"No their not"

"Have you ever gone a week without a rationalization?"



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BrianC reckons...

Posted April 9, 2013

I cant look at youtube at work. I assume this shows i am right. Therefore it is witty and correct

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Quokka puts forth...

Posted April 9, 2013

It's a pity you couldn't link that to blunty, I think some of them might actually have gotten it.

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beeso mumbles...

Posted April 9, 2013

Awesome.

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Blarkon ducks in to say...

Posted April 9, 2013

The reason so many people are arguing about whether it's theft or not comes down to a point made in the video "I don't want to feel like a bad person"

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Blarkon puts forth...

Posted April 9, 2013

While I've been banging on about Lanier, there's also Levine's book on the subject published late last year:

http://www.amazon.com/Free-Ride-Parasites-Destroying-Business/dp/0307739775/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365492472&sr=8-1&keywords=free+ride

On the Internet, “information wants to be free.” This memorable phrase shaped the online business model, but it is now driving the media companies on whom the digital industry feeds out of business. Today, newspaper stocks have fallen to all-time lows as papers are pressured to give away content, music sales have fallen by more than half since file sharing became common, TV ratings are plum­meting as viewership migrates online, and publishers face off against Amazon over the price of digital books.

In Free Ride, Robert Levine narrates an epic tale of value destruction that moves from the corridors of Congress, where the law was passed that legalized YouTube, to the dorm room of Shawn Fanning, the founder of Napster; from the bargain-pricing dramas involving iTunes and Kindle to Google’s fateful decision to digitize first and ask questions later.

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pi mutters...

Posted April 9, 2013

That's fantastic.

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drej swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted April 9, 2013

Great vid. Convinces me that I am really a terrible person at heart, and may as well go rob a bank.

Darth Greybeard puts forth...

Posted April 9, 2013

Oh good. No one wanted to be the one to tell you.

John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted April 10, 2013

I've been telling him that for years.

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TC would have you know...

Posted April 10, 2013

I like the basis of it: "what incentivises us to be good people?". Some would argue that God and morality do that, but history and experience would say otherwise. Why is there a need for confession if people are always good?

I'm starting to think that everything wrong in the world revolves around this question. Someone cut you off in traffic? Why did they choose to do that? What's incentivising them not to? (apart from the chance that you'll get out and smash them over the head with a skateboard) Someone wants to nuke South Korea? Why would anyone want that? But what's incentivising them not to? Wanting to be a good person?

It seems that wanting to be a good person died out with fans of The Big Chill (sorry Barnesm). What if... what if this - right here and now - is as good as it gets?

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Timmo ducks in to say...

Posted April 10, 2013

This makes a lot of sense. It reminds me of some personal development stuff I did which was dealing with personal integrity, and encouraged people to look at integrity (basically meeting commitments and acting according to your word) as an ongoing day-to-day behavioural choice rather than as a long-term balance sheet.

It's interesting to see that scientific studies have backed up this approach. Or at least identified that the balance sheet approach is a key reason for failure when outcomes are seen as either good or bad.

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AlexDNLloyd asserts...

Posted April 10, 2013

The RSA have some fantastic stuff. Love their animations.

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w from brisbane has opinions thus...

Posted April 11, 2013

On the subject on GoT and 'torrenting'.

The humour of the freetards and their curious Gríma Wormtongue impersonations waned very quickly. But I hadn't twigged that the star of JB's 'Felafel' movie, the always excellent Noah Taylor, is in the third season of Game of Thrones. Now I understand the protectiveness. It's like a dad thing. 'That's my boy!'

It's quite lovely. (sniff, sniff)

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How a comment thread works

Posted March 18, 2013 into Science and Tech by John Birmingham

Some of you have noticed that the chronological order of comments has flipped, so that the threads now display the oldest comments first. Don't get too comfy with that. Although it was the way of things before, and is the system used at Fairfax, I'm not convinced it is the way to go here.

This blog is designed like a scroll. It renders as a long column of text and images. But mostly text. With a hundred-comment discussion on display, that is a mighty big chunk of vertical real estate. Because of this, it is way more elegant to display the most recent stand alone comments (ie. not replies) up the top of the discussion. It saves a lot of scrolling.

I am however, talking to Dan about coding the Recent Comments display in such a way as to take you directly to the comment you click or tap on. This means you can go directly to conversations within the thread that catch your eye.

The ability to reply directly to a comment means giving up a strict linear progression either forward or backwards through a dicussion. It's a design choice. One I'm happy to make because of clarity it delivers in terms of conversation within the thread.

I will make a final call on this before we all get bedded down, and am happy to listen to everyone's views. In the end, like my ascended master, I will decide what's best for everyone, but I'm curious about others opinions on this. Oldest comment first, or newest?

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JG asserts...

Posted March 18, 2013

I agree with you, John. Newest comments first, otherwise there's too much scrolling up an down. Makes sense to have the most recent comments up top.

Second layer comments are a bit tricky, because you can't see if people respond to them. Not sure if there's any point in having a second layer, although I guess it's good for people to have their own little conversations inside a thread.

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sibeen mumbles...

Posted March 18, 2013

so that the threads now display the oldest comments first.

Jaysus, even the boss is confused.

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damian reckons...

Posted March 18, 2013

First things first: trying Firefox on Linux here and it looks just fine. Login took alarmingly long, but that could just be a net hiccup.

I think whatever the order, it should be consistent. So if the comment thread is reverse chronological, then the replies should be too.

Also, the comment entry box should be close to the last comment, so if the comment thread is reverse order then that means it should come first. I maybe didn't express well last night (yes, the bar staff seem to like me an awful lot, I applaud their taste but I can't fathom why...), but the implication of putting it at the end of the thread, where there are many comments but also several articles/posts after the thread, means there is no way to avoid manually scrolling a lot to enter a comment. If there were no extra articles, one could hit the "end" key.I perceive that there is a fair bit of client side stuff going on with how the comment box is rendered and where it appears. This is very cool stuff. Maybe it is possible to make it's position dynamic enough to make these workflows easier?

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tqft is gonna tell you...

Posted March 18, 2013

Newest comment first for me as I often come back an finding the new stuff will be a challenge for me. It's why I liked the old CBG RSS comment feed even if I was the only using it all comments could be seen without navigation.

I am not sure the display algorithm is what I expected - I can't seem to open one article in tab by itself. If I could finding a comment thread would be easy & the problems go away.

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Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted March 18, 2013

but anything by Havoc automaticaly goes to the top right?

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zeniph asserts...

Posted March 18, 2013

The logic re vertical real-estate is very sound but I still like it the other way – oldest first.

My main issue with newest first is that it really breaks up the flow of trying to read through and follow a conversation between different commenters. Add to that the (great) nested comments going the other way it does kind of twist your mind.

Easy to say when you’re not the one having to code it but it perhaps it wouldn’t be that hard to have a toggle to change comment the sort order on demand.

damian is gonna tell you...

Posted March 18, 2013

Or even betterer, a user profile setting.

Darth Greybeard reckons...

Posted March 18, 2013

Give that man a drink! Unless you're Dan, in which case . . .

But yes, user choice via cookie would be grand & I'd have no idea if that's even possible. Failing that I'd prefer oldest at the top, or at least having nested comments in the same chronological order as main comments.

Re the actual comments box (and I'm sorry Dan, because I don't think I've ever seen this in a blog) would it be possible for it to move beside the comments, remaining with the cursor? I have seen graphics that maintain their pos'n as you scroll through. I think. Hey, you did ask for comments/ideas. No one said they had to be easy or practical.

DNABeast puts forth...

Posted March 18, 2013

There's definitely something to this.

damian mutters...

Posted March 18, 2013

The challenge with a floating entry box is screen real estate, especially on mobile devices. I don't see it as impossible. But placement could get very clever indeed if you let the thought process run.

Dick ducks in to say...

Posted March 19, 2013

+1 to damian

Peter in the bleaches mumbles...

Posted March 19, 2013

Make that +2 to Damian

If it can't be changed through a user profile, then oldest first as per Zeniph's reasoning - reading through the previous comments. You look a bit of a dick if you make the same comment as someone else.

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Legless mutters...

Posted March 18, 2013

Can I make a suggestion? Could you add a new catagory, Recomended Authors. 'Cos I'm always on the lokout for new people to read. I've picked up few a from here most notably Jim Butcher but most of the authors I've rea after hearing them discussed on here have been worthwhile.

Cheers

Barnesm asserts...

Posted March 19, 2013

and perhaps a tag/catagory for Bookclub

John Birmingham ducks in to say...

Posted March 19, 2013

There is a category for BookClub. We just haven't used it yet.

Barnesm is gonna tell you...

Posted March 20, 2013

Ah, thanks

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NBlob mutters...

Posted March 18, 2013

A heavier than air comment thread? you'll never get it off the ground, if you somehow manage it, it'll consume so much lignite as to be naught but a plaything of the 6 or 7 richest kings of Europe.

NBlob reckons...

Posted March 18, 2013

As a matter of urgency may we have a page with the unusual suspects blog roll back?

Please,

As that was how I got to PNB's, His Rhinoness', FknHavoc's, and my blog.

John Birmingham is gonna tell you...

Posted March 19, 2013

You know how Steve Jobs would often say no to seemingly good ideas?

Barnesm would have you know...

Posted March 19, 2013

Like not using alternative medicine to treat aggressive cancer?

Too soon?

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Darth Greybeard puts forth...

Posted March 18, 2013

Oh, and as someone who's posted under the influence of alcohol and/or depression, is it possible for us to delete something we later regret?

JG asserts...

Posted March 19, 2013

Hear hear, Greybeard. That's a brilliant suggestion. An edit function would be handy too. Poor Dan. This sounds like a full-time job.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted March 19, 2013

No, no, no. Definitely no. No deletions. No do-overs for drunken rants. In vino veritas.

John Birmingham would have you know...

Posted March 19, 2013

Poor Dan? Poor me. I got to pay for all your brilliant ideas. Although I am attracted to edited comments.

Barnesm puts forth...

Posted March 19, 2013

And perhaps a pre-set font and colour for certain commentors. Like when Havoc loggs in all his comments are in bold comic sans and coloured puce 814444.

damian puts forth...

Posted March 19, 2013

The thing that frightens me a little, Barnes, is that you know the RGB recipe for "puce". I do not wish to discover, sir, what depraved end was involved in the acquisition of this knowledge. I can't hear you, LALALALALALALALA.

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Coriolisdave swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 18, 2013

Definitely oldest first. Reverse breaks up the conversation more, makes it more prone to individual comments than actual discussion.

Perhaps the ability to hide/collapse read comments (logged-in users only) would help with the keeping-up issue?

John Birmingham reckons...

Posted March 19, 2013

That's a very good idea, especially the value adding for registered users. But it sounds like a shitload of coding.

HAVOCK21 has opinions thus...

Posted March 21, 2013

Sell a bunnie or two ya git!..sheeez, remember oh OVERLORDIE PAUNCHIE FELLA!..ya minions tend NOT to rise up and cap ya it they are kinda fkn HAPPY!

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w from brisbane tiresomely puts forth...

Posted March 18, 2013

Reverse chronological order means there are 2 orders. Individual comments are read top to bottom, but the thread is read bottom to top. The eyes bounce up and down...what was in those pills?

Chronological order means the whole text stream is in the same order. This provides the rich pleasures of narrative reading.Just my preference, either way has its own advantages.

JG has opinions thus...

Posted March 19, 2013

'The eyes bounce up and down' -- hahaha! Love it.

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Bunyip reckons...

Posted March 18, 2013

Actually, whilst we are still discussing layout etc, I'm noticing a sliding off the bottom for the recent comment list. JB, as you and Dan make posts, the comment list

Next>>

NBlob on Yadda Yadda Yadda,

Legless on Something Something Something,

....seems to get shorter and shorter. And, is it picking up only our comments, or our comments, and our replies to other folks comments?

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damian ducks in to say...

Posted March 18, 2013

It's funny how blogs seem to need to reinvent usenet. I would say that I miss slrn, view it with a nostalgic glint, but really this webby stuff is better, there's less learning curve and no configuration.

I do miss score files though, and being able to navigate threads effortlessly.

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damian would have you know...

Posted March 18, 2013

Oh... the link in "Recent Comments" should take you to the comment, not just the article.

JG is gonna tell you...

Posted March 19, 2013

Yes!

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Rhino asserts...

Posted March 19, 2013

Wait, I actually have to TYPE a comment? WTF? I can't just think it into the box. I thought this was supposed to be something new and grand. How disappointing.

Why can't the comments be displayed per my personal preference? List by poster as they appear on the ever-changing list of people in/out of Rhino's favor? That should be easy to do, right?

And, why the hell do I even need to READ this with my EYEBALLS? That is hard. It should be beamed directly to my brain. On demand.

THIS ENTIRE THING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do I get the first troll comment award?

Brian has opinions thus...

Posted March 19, 2013

NO!

John Birmingham swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 19, 2013

Rhino wins

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Murphy asserts...

Posted March 19, 2013

I prefer the old scroll method. The new method reminds me of my experiences with a piece of educational malware known as Blackboard, particularly the Discussion Thread component of it, which tends to be a maddening nightmare to deal with.

As a result, I am probably one of the few instructors who do not use Blackboard. The discussion bit is one of many reasons (reliability, or the lack thereof, being another).

Keep the old method.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

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Matthew K asserts...

Posted March 19, 2013

No no. Oldest comments first please, then we can read through in chronological order. Makes more sense that way.

Otherwise? Very nice indeed JB.

Although I will observe that some blogs are no longer on my bookmarks list as recent changes now make commenting too difficult. Yes Jalopnik I'm looking at you. Or rather I'm not.

Moral? Make it a slow, frustrating and unintuitive process to comment if you want to drive people away.

More than about five minutes trying to post a comment and I question whether it's a wise use of time.

That Cheeseburger illustration is making me peckish... Tesco time!

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John Birmingham is gonna tell you...

Posted March 19, 2013

I think the only way to make an oldest first design work is to provide people with a way to get to the end of the thread without endless fucking scrolling. On a desktop it doesn't matter as much because the mouse/trackpad lets you cover that distance very quickly. But if you're reading a long article with an even longer comment tail on a mobile device, even a big tab, there is an awful lot of work to move thru the text. On a phone it would actually stop me from bothering.

Dave W would have you know...

Posted March 19, 2013

So the main problem is designing from the perspective of multiple platforms? You'll get as many answers as there are platforms.

I vote for ease of use on mobile device- those using desk/lap-tops will get used to anything. I was on the non-fruity mobile yesterday and it was quite usable, so I think that it's about right.

Now, how do I get myself a groovy picture instead of an on/off button picture?

Darth Greybeard mutters...

Posted March 19, 2013

Gravatar will provide the means but the degree of grooviness is up to you.

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DILLIGAF swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 19, 2013

JB, check out http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons.

The forum section renews every day, but there are many good ideas that could be used.

See what you think.

BTW It's free too.

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Therbs reckons...

Posted March 19, 2013

Yeah, that's all fine and good but where do I rest my drink? And there should be a pizza order link. C'mon you lot, chop chop! I'm not here for a haircut you know..

Bunyip asserts...

Posted March 19, 2013

I think Havock is in charge of the barber shop app.

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M. ducks in to say...

Posted March 19, 2013

Oldest first. As a couple have already opined, oldest first keeps the development of the conversation in chronological order, which I reckon is better.

Regardless, I'm digging the new layout - but did have trouble trying to comment from the iPhone yesterday.

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Quokka mutters...

Posted March 19, 2013

I am far more likely to view CBG from my desktop IMAC than the ipad so I like chronological order. I'm still adjusting to the nested comments/replies but have found it far easier to make sense of them now that it's back in chronological order.

Maybe we need to do a head count of all those using desktop v. all those using iphones/tablets. And then we'll have an idea of what the body count will be when it comes to Muskets at Dawn.

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 19, 2013
I suggest the following:

1. Map the "End" key to jump to the end of the thread, the comment box or next post. There are JavaScript libraries for this (can't Google right now but I think one is called keypress). Consider other shortcuts and mappings.

2. Provide on screen links in a form suitable for clumsy fingers to do the same thing. This could be an always -there navigation pane

3. Make the order a user choice (or even per device with cookies)

Just thoughts anyhow - not demanding anything. I think the user profile is the big value add...

damian asserts...

Posted March 19, 2013
I suggest the following:

1. Map the "End" key to jump to the end of the thread, the comment box or next post. There are JavaScript libraries for this (can't Google right now but I think one is called keypress). Consider other shortcuts and mappings.

2. Provide on screen links in a form suitable for clumsy fingers to do the same thing. This could be an always -there navigation pane

3. Make the order a user choice (or even per device with cookies)

Just thoughts anyhow - not demanding anything. I think the user profile is the big value add...

damian puts forth...

Posted March 19, 2013

And meh. The ability to delete and edit would be cool, as you can see by my own failings. Note that having logged-in users is an enabler in that department. Aside: the format buttons didn't appear under Chrome for Android. Not complaining, just one more small issue. Is there a proper place to report such things? A JIRA or WebRT or something?

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Lobes mumbles...

Posted March 19, 2013

Like every other English speaker I read from left to right, top to bottom. Having comments formatted in any other way is unnatural for people who speak our tongue. Don't even get me started on having different flow order for different sections within a comment thread.

I think we are forgetting here that this is a blog and that every comment thread is attached to a specific blog post that has a central idea(s).

The premise of the comment thread is to address and discuss that central idea of the blog post . Of course it's a reality that often the discussion veers off topic into weird and wonderful directions and that is one of the inherent joys of a blog but it doesn't change the fact that a comment threads existence is to address the original post and this is much more coherently done by following natural English reading pattern of left right, top bottom.

The Facebook analogy is a false one. Facebook comment threads are always oldest top newest bottom.

I appreciate the point about difficulty of accessing recent comments from mobile devices but this is not the solution. If its really important to you then make comment order something that can be set by registered users, hell even make recent-first the default setting but don't fuck with the English languages time honoured left right, top bottom style.

John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted March 19, 2013

I'm reluctantly coming around to it.

Murphy asserts...

Posted March 19, 2013

Hitting the LIKE button on Lobes comment and I agree with his false analogy statement concerning FB comments. The comments here are more like Twitter, which are fairly maddening to sort through.

Respects,

Murph

On the Outer Marches

zeniph swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 19, 2013

youtube has newest first but its not the engaging, intertwined, thought out and nuanced points of view expressed in the youtube comment stream that makes me go there.

like I mentioned earlier it would be fairly trivial to add a rudimentary reverse comment order switch (again easy to say when your not the monkey coding it or paying for it)

whole site looks great btw

DNABeast mutters...

Posted March 21, 2013

Each comment should be chronologically removed from each other comment. They exist as direct responses to the post. But replies to a comment exist in relation to each other. I'm getting pretty keen on the facebook analogy.

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Brother PorkChop mutters...

Posted March 19, 2013

Oldest first works. But let's face it, if it were changed everyone would be used to it in 2 months, same as any new page format or software.

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Darth Greybeard asserts...

Posted March 19, 2013

You underestimate the power of the Fogey Side. Change and new things are bad as any fule no. Why NowhereBob is still pining for rotary dial telephones and mullets.

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Mayhem mutters...

Posted March 19, 2013

I'm on the side of oldest first. Even on the iPad it doesn't take long to scroll to the bottom of a comment thread. What would be way coo though, and no idea if its even possible, is if a user could somehow set the point they reached in the thread then hit a button, icon whatever,which takes them back to the same point. Now, even as I type this I realise that would mean the user risks missing replies to older comments. Bugger!

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Quokka puts forth...

Posted March 19, 2013

If we end up going with chronological order it would be nice to have the Control + End buttons on the desktop do what they used to do.

Otherwise we're all stuck with scrolling down and sifting to see what's been embedded in these comment nests.

I caution all of you to watch out for reptiles and rats. Khan Greybeard has no ethics when it comes to releasing things that will make the girls scream & flee.

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TheWah mumbles...

Posted March 19, 2013

I think the world had changed before the second Iraq invasion in a way that caught western leaders off guard. On one hand the concept of true open democracy was being lauded as the most ideal political situation but then the governing bodies needed to keep things secret from the masses due to strategic reasons. This made them all look either incompetent, when the reasons for going to war were shown to be patently false (WMDs), or just plain evil.

We don't have the stomach to re-do another Iraq as a people because we are aware of the way we were manipulated last time by our own leaders. Even if it was the right thing to do next time, like Iran maybe, the people won't trust the leaders at all. To the detriment of everybody on both sides.

TheWah puts forth...

Posted March 19, 2013

... Yes.. I'm a silly William.

Off to the correct thread with me!

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JG puts forth...

Posted March 19, 2013

Oh well. I'm getting used to all the scrolling down. You've convinced me. The chronological flow makes sense. Oldest first it is then.

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TC reckons...

Posted March 19, 2013

Damn, I wrote a cool response and it did a Horatio on me.

Summarised (although in summary it just looks like what everyone else wrote...): default order could be oldest first and you (or Dan) add a button under each article that flips the comments (except for nested responses) and re-loads the page? As I screamed into the void earlier, that doesn't seem too difficult a thing to do.

Plus I wrote per se in italics, which tickled my fancy a bit. I can't remember why though.

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WarDog swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 21, 2013

Umm, where's the RSS feed for the comments disappeared to?

Now I'm only getting the stories

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HAVOCK21 would have you know...

Posted March 21, 2013

EH FKN!

Give me control and I'll fix it all rather fkn right o old fkn boy fkn quick smart, lickity fkn split like and have the muppets leaping around like a fart in a pickle jar!

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Does anyone here still use Google Reader, besides Hitler?

Posted March 15, 2013 into Science and Tech by John Birmingham

Because apparently more than half the traffic thru the Burger is sourced from it. That doesn't mean it's going to get very quiet around here any time soon. I imagine most of the regulars have the site bookmarked or can just type in the first few letters of the addy.

But thousands of hits a month come from Reader. From lurkers and random drop ins, I assume.

So, with the redesign due to launch soon, I'm kind of curious for some anecdotal information about how people end up here. Lurkers in particular.

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insomniac asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
i first arrived here through reading blunty. these days it's a bookmark

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Surtac reckons...

Posted March 15, 2013
Yeah. Big user. I generally have it open in a tab all day long.

I find it an almost perfect aggregator for all of the disparate stuff I follow and I'm not happy it's going away.

I'm very much open to suggestions as to what to replace it with. I had a look at The Old Reader yesterday after the announcement, but their servers were already in meltdown.

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An Idle Dad has opinions thus...

Posted March 15, 2013
Me! I'm on Google Reader right now and then click through to the articles you post that sound interesting (most of them, rest assured).

I 'might' click through from a twitter link you post, but 99% is from Google Reader.

I'm just looking at alternative RSS feeders, I'm sure a decent drag-and-drop replacement (like the one Digg just announced ten minutes ago) will be in place by then.

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UncySpam puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
yup I love Google Reader... I've commented once or twice but mostly just read...

Try Feedly if you are looking for an alternative, its not great, but it does the job until a new free contender arrives...

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Phil asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
I'm a lurker and I access your blog, like all the other internet sites that I regularly visit from Google Reader.

I'm very disappointed that Google are closing Google Reader down from the first of July but I guess it was good while it lasted. Right now I'm trying some replacements. Feedly [http://www.feedly.com] seems to work very well and very simple to transfer all my feeds from Reader to it.

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Kevin Munro mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
I use it for up to 2 hours a day, every day. I was mortified at the news. I use the Reeder iOS client who have said they'll move to another sync service, thank god.

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johnbirmingham swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
Wow.

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johnbirmingham is gonna tell you...

Posted March 15, 2013
Oddly enough I'm not much of an RSS reader. I have a bunch of disparate newstrackers and sites I follow, looking for stuff to blog about. It's all very old school. Pull down the menu, go to the home page, look around for a bit. I'm sort of glad now I never caught up with the moment and used Reader.

Gruber had a link to a rant from another blogger this morning that explained it very well, I thought:

Reader made its first public appearance a couple of months before this, in October 2005. I remember this period well - it was a time of immense excitement, when RSS seemed to be the future, the news ecosystem was vibrant, and this thing called the blogosphere, fueled by peer subscription, was doubling in size every six months. It was into this magic garden that Google wandered, like a giant toddler leaving destruction in its wake. Reader was undeniably a good product, but it's best quality was also its worst: it was free. Subsidized by Google's immense search profits, it never had to earn its keep, and its competitors started to die. Over time, the "hyper competitive" RSS reader market turned into a monoculture. Today, on the eve of its shutdown, RSS more or less means "Google Reader" to a large fraction of readers, to the extent where even the best feed readers on IOS are just Google Reader clients1.

The sudden shock of Reader's closure will harm a news ecosystem that I already believe to be deeply ill. Google Reader is not just a core part of my information diet - it's also the most direct channel I have to readers of this blog. As of today, the Reader subscriber count for corte.si stands at about 3 times the total number of other subscribers combined. Some of these readers will migrate to other services and stay in touch, but many will inevitably abandon the idea of direct subscription to blogs entirely. In the next few months, tens of thousands of small blogs will lose direct contact with a large fraction of their readers.

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NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted March 15, 2013
Sorry for the Off Topic, but I believe thanks are in order.

"...instead imagine two ferocious egomaniacs turning purple with rage and gobbing poison phlegm into each other's eyes, chances are you'd be right on the money."

Macarthur V.S Bligh. Leviathon P273 (ppbk)

Thankyou JB, you've made my day.

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Dave W reckons...

Posted March 15, 2013
I think, but I'd have to go home and check and I'm notoriously lazy, I discovered your blog from a sleeve note or list of 'other things by the author' at the front of one of the books.

How's that for old skool?

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pitpat would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
Same here, Dave W, I think it was on one of the AoT auhor notes that I first heard of CheeseBurger Gothic and then about a year before I felt comfortable commenting. RSS feeds I never got but then again I can be a bit of a luddite- still don't get farcebook.

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Therbs asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
WTF is Google Reader and what's RSS?

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Bondiboy66 mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
Initially via the Great JSPace Collapse. Now it's just bookmarked.

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Daniel would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
I subscribe through Google Reader, and that's how I got here today. I love RSS and I'm not sure how I'd approach things without it. I think I would just end up losing track of most sites, including this one, if they weren't in my feeds.

I'm assuming I'll have to find an alternative RSS client. I like akregator at home on my linux desktop, but of course that's no use at work (windows) or on my phone, and doesn't sync between systems at all.

Sigh!

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LegalLibrarian puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
I'm a lurker. I have had your site bookmarked since you were a guest at a law library conference last year. I haven't used Google reader for a while now.

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Shep ducks in to say...

Posted March 15, 2013
I read all of your articles on google reader along with 133 other blogs I've subscribed to.
Only click through to comments occasionally if it looks like it might be interesting

I love Reader it because it looks unassuming, so it can stay open all day at work without too many issues + it works with multiple browsers so I can be sure it'll work no matter which computer I end up on (various clients, project sites etc).

I always wondered about it's future though, cause there are no ads, from Google or from any of the subscriptions.

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Daniel swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
Shep: +1 to using Google Reader at work

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Moz is gonna tell you...

Posted March 15, 2013
GR for me is an RSS reader that works on phone, laptop, desktop, other phone and work, plus syncs between them. Amazingly, it's fairly usable on a 3" screen phone (more usable than most things). I'll be replacing it with something that does the same stuff, ideally with something that lets me say "on the phone, never show me this set of feeds" (one thing GR doesn't do is let me dump the high volume feeds that are just annoying in a one-click-and-waitforitwaitforitwaaaait-next-item device. I used to run a dedicated aggregator on my website but it stopped working and I was already using GR on my phone so I just switched. I might have to switch back, which means fixing the mobile version of my personal site.

I've only hit the proper web page to make this comment, and only coz I'm reading your blog with my phone leaning on a full size keyboard... it's easier to find the site and comment using that than faff about with the OSC on the phone.

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HAVOCK21 has opinions thus...

Posted March 15, 2013
FKN GODS don't use READER so why should FKN ANYBODY give to flying fkn fks about its demise! well! that and the fact I rally have NFI what ya talking about, musta been a real gem.......not! cowboy up Princesss, I'm fkn working for a living now..ya should try it JB

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Therbs asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
"I'll now be getting all my news from what's been retweeted by Stalin" is my fave line.
FWIW I hooked into CBG in old journalspace days via it being mentioned in author's notes in Weapons of Choice.

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ddog swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
Delurking, I'm exactly the same as @Surtac. Have it open all day at work, it aggregates all the random sites that I follow. That way I have a super high level overview of everything I can just flick through, see if there's anything interesting and move on.

Now that it's going away I have no fkn idea what I'm going to do. Bookmark here and check it once a day hoping for posts like an animal?!

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Lulu puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
"i first arrived here through reading blunty. these days it’s a bookmark"
"WTF is Google Reader and what’s RSS?"

Ditto to both of those.

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Dave W puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
Ddog, checking hourly- that's what I do.

There was another way to go about it, in a way that didn't look so obvious in the workplace? Now I feel like a complete noob.

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Daniel mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
It looks like we failed to proselytize the virtues of RSS to the wider population. I'm a software developer so I guess I'm in the techie niche who have relied on RSS every day for about 8 years now.

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Caroline mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
Hi John,
I found you on Twitter and then clicked the link in the heading... It was a bit difficult to follow you straight from your blog as I couldn't find a "follow me" link so I followed you from the Wordpress Reader instead. I got there in the end by just bumbling my way across the digital world...

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Daniel is gonna tell you...

Posted March 15, 2013
OOoooh WordPress Reader. How is it Caroline?

http://blogs.denverpost.com/techknowbytes/2013/03/14/wordpress-coms-reader-ready-to-take-google-readers-top-spot/9136/

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JG would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
I've got it earmarked. Funny, I didn't check out CBG out for about two or more years as your FB friend, JB, even though I commented there heaps. Finally came here from your info page on FB or from your Twitter header link, I think. Don't think I made a comment until about Sept 2011. Still tormented that I haven't got an imaginative tag like 'Blarkon' or 'Havock' or 'NBlob' [formerly NBob]. By the by, does that stand for fkn Bob, N Blob? From what I can recall, the tag (names) I've assigned myself in the past here have included 'Red Roo', 'Blue Tongue', and I can't remember the others. Suffer little Cheeseburgers, for I am with you.
Sister Joanna :)
P.S. Not really. I was named after Pope John Paul II.

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WarDog ducks in to say...

Posted March 15, 2013
I use Reader as my main means of aggregating about 2 dozen feeds and several hundred messages day (most of which are generated by you bastards). Losing reader will hurt unless I can find a good replacement that
a) Let's me consume from a web browser from any location
b) Let's me consume from an Android tablet
c) Handles the synchronicity between A & A & B well, without huge latency or data overhead.

For those interested there are a number of petitions to try to save it (though I doubt it will work). This one currently has 85,000 signatures including my own.
https://www.change.org/petitions/google-keep-google-reader-running

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Rhino is gonna tell you...

Posted March 15, 2013
Don't use Reader but I keep track of blogs I follow in an applet on my blog www.rhinorog.blogspot.com.

Other stuff I check I keep links in folders according to the frequency and/or time of day I check them so I can "open all" at once and skim through tabs. For instance, the 'morning' folder contains various and sundry comic strips and a couple of news aggregation sites that I want to look at first thing while having my morning cuppa.

Anyone looking for permanence with respect to a free tool on the web is a little deluded.

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Gnu Webster would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
I'm a lurker, found blog through Brisbane Times column. Usually read via Google Reader and only click through if I especially want to read the comments. Can spend up to an hour a day using GR, currently subscribed to around 60 sites.

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JG mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
I use Google but I don't use Google Reader. Don't even know what it is. Still suspicious about RSS. Don't use it. This is the only blog I follow. Don't want to spend my life online.
P.S. ^I was named after Pope John XXIII, I mean, seeing as I was born in '63. He died a couple of weeks before I was born. My parents are devout Catholics.

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Murphy would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
I had a blog before Cheeseburger Gothic, before Google Reader and before, well, whatever.

Ah, no, I don't think I use Google Reader. I don't use Google Plus either. The only things Google I use are the search engine and the customized news bit.

Wait, is the news bit what everyone's talking about? Meh.

Respects,
Murph
On the Outer Marches

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Daniel would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
JG: RSS lets me keep track of 109 sites without *having* to spend my life online. That's the beauty of it.

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BobGrrl mumbles...

Posted March 15, 2013
Yup, big Google Reader user here too, clicked through from reader to post this.

I've fired up Feedly for a test run, so far, so good, although the lack of a compatible version for IE is annoying because I'm locked into that browser while at work.

The Feedly apps for iOS is great on the iPad, but suffers badly from the space constraint on an iPhone.

My last month worth of stats:

"From your 80 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 3,841 items, clicked 350 items, starred 7 items, and emailed 2 items.

Since July 1, 2008 you have read a total of 172,376 items."

Most days I'm sifting through several thousand items, scanning headlines, clicking on what's of interest. I can't imagine a world without RSS or something similar.

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Daniel reckons...

Posted March 15, 2013
Google reader, about 600+ feeds. Reeder is pretty much the best at skimming through large swathes of, errr ... content to find the hidden gems.

I tend to visit blogs once, if I like I add and the reader from that point on.

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Stuart has opinions thus...

Posted March 15, 2013
Also Reader tells me that Cheeseburger Gothic has 491 Google Reader subscriptions and Blunt Instrument has 151

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Celia would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
Can't remember how or why I originally subscribed, but I always read through Google Reader, rarely clicking through. I have it open all day, and use it via Feedly on my phone as well.

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Daniel swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
Interesting stats, Stuart. Surely having this kind of knowledge about who reads what has some value for Google. But I guess it is, just as they say, that the user base is not quite big enough to be worth it.

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Stuart mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
Daniel, they could have grown the user base if they had put resources behind into it.

My favourite theory is that using Reader reduces website clicks which effects the advertising revenue. Google of course have a direct interest in increasing that revenue Reader was contrary to that.

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johnbirmingham mumbles...

Posted March 15, 2013
Damn. This is utterly fascinating. If I had known so many people were just skimming on Reader I'd probably have run this blog quite differently.

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John reckons...

Posted March 15, 2013
I use Reader multiple times a day. It's my main aggregation point for blogs, tech articles etc. I'm very annoyed it's shutting down, even though it shouldn't take me long to switch over to another RSS feed reader. It's just one more bit of yak-shaving I'd rather not do.

Having said that, I come to this blog via your twitter feed, although I totally disagree with those who say Twitter is an adequate RSS replacement. The signal-to-noise ratio on RSS feeds tends to be way higher.

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Brian asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
Reader.

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Lobes mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
I've never used google reader or an RSS service. First visited the journalspace ancestor of this blog via a note in the front of an axis of time book then migrated with the rest when JS shat itself. Gawd that was a disaster.

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Tim B mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
Your Twitter feed.

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Stevo 73 has opinions thus...

Posted March 15, 2013
Bookmarked.

I now kinda wish I had known about this reader thing of which you speak, it sounds interesting and useful...... Pity it's going the way of the Dodo

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NBlob would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
"yak-shaving " Wiktionary
Noun yak shaving (uncountable)

(idiomatic) Any apparently useless activity which, by allowing you to overcome intermediate difficulties, allows you to solve a larger problem.

Other sources cite a Ren & Stimpy ep.

Gold. Thank you mysterious masked man.
I shall be including that in my kexicon from this point on.

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Dylwah swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
I ended up here after following some linklove from Blue Milk or the Hoydens, don't remember which. I bookmarked the site and two weeks later my computer died and in the time it took to get a new one my priorities changed and time became short. I spent a while reading Blunty thinking to myself that you had another blog until serendipity led me back. Bookmarked again. I reckon I get here roughly half and half twitter links and cuppa time surfing with the occasional "oh, book club" moment.

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Surtac reckons...

Posted March 15, 2013
I've just had another go at moving stuff from Google Reader to TheOldReader.

There are 16,511 imports in the queue ahead of me. Could take awhile. :(

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Phil puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
I'm would say I am an obsessive 'burger reader, but a perennial lurker. Google reader was my normal route to most of my browsing - right after google retired "igoogle"! So now I have moved over to http://www.feedafever.com/ and taken a little control back. It allows me to run a private rss aggregator on my own domain - a kind of personal cloud service. I have had it going less than a day - but love it. Here is an informative review:
http://www.macdrifter.com/2012/02/fever-reader-review.html

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Samwise has opinions thus...

Posted March 15, 2013
while i dont use an RSS reader myself, I saw a post on Reddit suggesting to wait out looking for a replacement. their reasoning was that in the next few months developers will be developing new ones and tweaking existing products to meet the demand of current Google Reader users.

heres the link for a better explanation and the prerequisite reddit debating:
http://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/comments/1aanp2/lpt_wait_till_july_1st_to_switch_from_google/

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Stuart swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
JB, I can't speak for all RSS users but I don't skim your blog posts. I read every one, otherwise it wouldn't be on my feed.

The choice for me is not between reading them via RSS or reading via the actual page, it's reading via RSS or not reading at all because I don't have enough hours in the day to visit every single site.

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Blarkon puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
Another that lives in Google reader.
There is a joke "Someone opens a bar in Silicon Valley. Ten thousand people turn up at the opening. No one buys anything. TechCrunch and AllThingsD declare it a revolutionary success."

The assumption that you can get a quality ongoing service for free may be shown to be the Unicorn semen it always was

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GT swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
Lurker. For what it's worth - Reader on the tablet for it's simplicity, RSS on the browser because that's the way I set it up ages ago... No farcebook or twunter.

I'll miss Reader, but will adapt and move on. Appreciate your efforts on the site JB.

Cheers,

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MJW mumbles...

Posted March 15, 2013
I've been using Google Reader for over five years and it's my main method of monitoring about 100 news sites, general web pages and blogs like Cheeseburger Gothic. As others have suggested, you can open it up at work with no questions and keep an eye on things throughout the day. With it disappearing the idea of visiting each and every web page individually will be impossible. Then again, it was free so one can't complain too much when it disappears. I'm figuring out a new way of efficiently monitoring and reading all these resources which will probably be a diversified mix of MS Outlook RSS, Facebook, email alerting (very old school) and Twitter which up to this stage I've not joined. Oh well, things change and if this is the worse thing to happen to me between now and July I will count myself lucky.

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AF would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
I got the details from the 'about the author' information on Weapons of Choice. I don't use Reader.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted March 15, 2013
I found found this place by accident while looking for a fast food themed fetish porn site. I stayed for the ladies.

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Tom A has opinions thus...

Posted March 15, 2013
I just use it as a syncing service for a bunch of different RSS clients, mainly Reeder on iOS (no relation to Google Reader beyond relying on it to sync feeds). Utterly awesome app, with some of the best touchscreen UI design I've seen anywhere. Here's hoping that this won't be the end of it.

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DM mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
Another lurker - I got here some time back as 'AF' did, via one of your books. I also do not use Reader, never have.

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BobGrrl puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
Apart from RSS feeds being a great way of keeping up with a lot of different sources of information, the biggest advantage for me was not having to keep track of things in real time. Twitter and FB posts are all well and good, but the firewall my organisation runs means I generally don't have access to them and I can't spend all my time on my phone checking them. Additionally, their web interfaces aren't designed to push alerts to you and I don't have an option of installing a desktop app to push relevant alerts either. Bastards.

Reader on the other hand, isn't blocked and meant I could see /relevant/ things as they came in, catch up on less relevant things later and know exactly how much there was to catch up on, at least in a gross number of articles kind of way.

In short, much more powerful tool for slicing and dicing information streams in a way that's meaningful to you.

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Daniel mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
I'm with you Stuart, I don't skim this one. I do skim some of my higher volume feeds (like TechCrunch and Slashdot). But blogs like this I put in a different folder and tend to read every post fully.

I also wouldn't read most sites at all if I didn't have RSS. Bookmarks and manual checking? Stuff that.

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BobGrrl puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
@Daniel: 'ken aye. Manual checking is for chumps.

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zeniph would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
signed up when it was first released, entered a heap of sites, never used it.

Occasionaly I'd end there by accident and I think wow if only I used this more often my life would be so much more efficient.

"your inbox for the web" as they said at launch - sounds like many of you wouldnt argue

CGB is on my daily round of sites to check when its slack off time. I do enjoy the show you all put on - entertaining and insightful.

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HAVOCK21 asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
right!

Um

Ended up here after reading AoT and link in the book to CBG, lurked for a bit, then, being rather shy put me toe in the water.

like lobes..what a cluster fk it was post JS going tits up and all that!, talk about a billion piece Mrs potatoe head type toy / group blowing up then all the bits trying to get back together again!


As for RSS..well I'd first goe looking for manufacturer, model and number of Cylinders when I first head of it, and to be truthful..I had NO fkn iea how it worked, didnt know it kept track of multi fkn ORGASIM!!!!! BLOGS AND SHIT!

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HAVOCK21 reckons...

Posted March 15, 2013
And I tend to have it open all day, its a bit like a BAR, but..no fkn beer really, just ander passed, stick ya head in the door, yell some fkn abuse or have a proper convo, depends whats tickling ya fancy at the time.

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HAVOCK21 swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
And whilst i think of it JB, if the new set up is condycted in the manner with which one of your part time employers conducts their web based interaction, then might I suggest you find a BOLT hole somewhere at the outter reaches of either this or the next fkn GALAXY co's ya ain't gunna be able to hide if they fk it up!

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Stuart asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
JB, while I can't speaker for the other RSS users I read every post, I don't skim.

For me the choice isn't between reading it on the site vs. reading in Reader, it's between Reader or not at all. I don't have the time to individually visit each site.

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Therbs would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
This is starting to look like the transcript of an AA meeting.
Hi, I'm Therbs and I have a glass of wine sitting on my desk.

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NBlob has opinions thus...

Posted March 15, 2013
@H I was thinking of you when I was reading earlier about PRC drone swarms VS USN aircraft carriers. I'll see if I can hunt up the link.

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Mark Heydon asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
I'm one of the 10,000. I read your posts when I see you tweet a link.

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Dick asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
From The Geek at BT, originally via The Age

Had a couple of old feeders but they stopped for some reason, probably death by Google.

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HAVOCK21 asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
NBLOB! when ya talk PRC Drone swarms I guess you are talking about a saturation attack of paper boxes with Candles suspended underneath them! all red painted.

A POX on the PRC RETARDS!

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coriolisdave swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
+1 on being a Reader. Used it for years, for me it's the way I experience the web. New stuff I get through twitter, but the stuff I return to every day?

That's in Reader.

*sigh*

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Barnesm puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
Yeah I use reader constantly to see what's popping up, desperately hoping equally usefull and able to get through workplace censors is available to replace. In the case of cheeseburger I see in reader their is a new update and the go to page to read and comment.
Sucks to loose it would be willing to pay a couple of bucks for something that did the same thing.

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Brian is gonna tell you...

Posted March 15, 2013
Well said Brigadier. :)

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Sparty mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
Followed the link from back of AoT. Don't use google reader. More likely now to check On new articles when referenced on your twitter feed

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tqft asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
I set google reader to track a few things that I didn't want to clutter other stuff for or couldn't access directly at work.

Sort of kind of useful. I can see the use case for news junkies.

I do have a fair bit of other stuff as RSS feeds but they live at home in Thunderbird and can wait until I am ready for them.

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Perennially late to the party mumbles...

Posted March 15, 2013
You've all convinced me. Google Reader!!! Sounds so good. I'm going to start using it.

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Barks is gonna tell you...

Posted March 15, 2013
I use Reader, wouldn't get to read everything otherwise.

Re-lurking.

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Claustral asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
I used Reader until yesterday. Moved to Feedly instead and it seems to work well on the desktop, though its Android app is all bling and no content, like Flipdeck.

I often click through though to read the comments.

Mark in Sweden

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Verimaz ducks in to say...

Posted March 15, 2013
Long time lurker via reader. I only click thru for comments which I will admit that I have done more since becoming one of the 10,000 out of some strange sense loyalty.

I've got over 180 feeds in my reader and thought it was a poor call when they killed the sharing function but this decision takes the cake.
I've got all sorts of plugins for chrome on the mac that I use with reader that have tuned the experience just the way I need it to be to get through them.
I use Feedler on the iPhone but don't know if that will survive with the death of Reader.
I'm sampling Feedly at the moment, not so sure on the phone but the desktop experience seems tolerable so far.
I suppose it figures that there isn't much of a revenue stream for google with Reader so they're killing it but I'd like to think they keep some things on to balance things out.

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Caroline mumbles...

Posted March 15, 2013
Daniel... Wordpress Reader is pretty easy to use, I like the filters and topic searches. Thanks for the article about Google vs. Wordpress - I'm also backing the Wordpress horse!

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parlance puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
I'm a lurker. I organise 100% of my blog reading through Reader. I have no idea how to do it any other way. Noticed someone mentioned Feedly. I guess I'll have to cope. I'm not up-to-date with technology, so it will be a cursedly long process for me. No idea how I first found your blog (lost in the mists of time).

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MarkWAau has opinions thus...

Posted March 15, 2013
I'm an avid Reader user and use the Reeder application on my smart phone. I'm pretty busy with work, family and life in general so this tool helps to distil my preferred interwebz material. In the case of cheeseburger gothic, I'm a fan, a reader of words, a lurker if you will. I'm one of the sent majority who appreciate a good read and take advantage of gen x tools to do so. As peeved as I am, I'm sure there is another app that will fill the hole left by google. Cheers and all...

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damian mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
Did use RSS a fair bit a while back, but never used Google Reader - beyond a few minutes of playing with it at some stage years ago anyway. I suppose my thought would be that there are dozens, possible thousands of other tools out there that do something similar.

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Miche is gonna tell you...

Posted March 15, 2013
Lurker, occasional contributor - I found my way to Cheeseburger Gothic through BT when it started. I enjoy the different voices from your readers, some I relate to, others teach me a different point of view. Mostly I get to see the world through your readers eyes for a brief time. I miss "Sweet Jane Says (SJS)". She was always interesting. Your blog and readers have introduced me to new books that I would otherwise have missed and as a former librarian that is an added bonus.

I use Reader to keep up with a variety of different blogs. I will miss it, but I will try whatever else is on offer.

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sapphyre ducks in to say...

Posted March 15, 2013
Most often I get here via a link on Blunty or because I get your blog feeds via Goodreads.

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KT reckons...

Posted March 15, 2013
I do all blog reading via Google Reader. Some blogs force me to click through (i.e. only supplying the first few lines of each post in a feed), while others, like your site JB, allow me to read each post without clicking through. (And I do read each post.) I click through if I want to post a comment or read the comments.

I'm giving some alternative feed readers a try. The first one is Feedly - it's pretty but I'm not sure it's the one for me.

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JB in the library on the iPad. mutters...

Posted March 15, 2013
This has been fascinating. Especially the lurker contributions, for which I am very grateful.

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tqft swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
I had some thoughts on google reader and am trying to get some feedback here
https://plus.google.com/u/0/101784830280357004005/posts/jH3aprZ32mV

tl;dr: Essentially google is not going to give up all the data and clicky goodness. Not having a replacement up seems a bit dumb though.

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Michael puts forth...

Posted March 15, 2013
I've been an RSS user for about eight years. And I would have considered it a certainty that JB was an RSS user too, and I'm not at all surprised that many of your readers are keen users. If you haven't already realised, JB, your suspicion that Reader would be responsible for random drop-ins is way off the mark - in fact it's likely to be more utilised by your most regular readers. So take a look around; once you've used RSS you never go back, so it amazes me that it isn't something that has taken off with a wider audience.

Netvibes has been my home page for the past seven years, because it offers more functionality- such as password protected feeds - than the Google service (iGoogle?) I used originally.

Being a graphic designer I still like to see my favourite sites natively, so I've never embraced Reader or the other alternates. But I can't possibly imagine not using RSS to keep on top of all the blogs I find interesting.

(For completeness I'm only a relatively recent visitor to CG, and I don't read everything. So whilst I do subscribe to the feed I tend to read JB's stuff here and at Blightly when something arouses my interest on Twitter, rather than from the feed. But that's in stark contrast to most sites whose feed I subscribe to.)

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sibeen has opinions thus...

Posted March 15, 2013
Never used google reader in my life. I always knew that it was going to go tits up, and didn't want to become attached.









Well, that and the fact that I've never heard of it. In a way, thank dog. I can do enough fluffing on the net as it is. A bloke has to earn a quid somehow, and reading shite, this blog excluded, doesn't pay for the kids gruel.

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Dirk puts forth...

Posted March 16, 2013
As one of the merry 10.000 i just dropped in via Twitter (and came there by means of reading your books and looking you up).

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Blarkon reckons...

Posted March 16, 2013
Plonked down for a Netvibes premium account myself. Will see how it goes

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smr reckons...

Posted March 16, 2013
This particular blog, I tend to follow from JB's Twitter feed. He posts a link, I punt it to Pocket and read it later on. But I'm a huge Google Reader guy, too. I keep it open in a pinned tab all day, and scan my feeds regularly. Feeds that tend to longer articles, they get interesting posts sent to Pocket. Shorter stuff I just read in-line.

I nearly panicked when I heard the news about it closing down; morning coffee and reader has been an ingrained habit for me for years now. I'm hoping a robust alternative reveals itself by July. Feedly is alright, if over-stylized to hell and gone, but they're still on GR's backend, not their own, will have to see how the latter works in practice. Kinda hopeful for whatever the Digg crew pulls together as well.

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Blarkon asserts...

Posted March 16, 2013
Sorry - not netvibes, newsblur. Seems to do what Google Reader does, just costs 24 bucks a year.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan reckons...

Posted March 16, 2013
I am so tech-ignorant I don't know what Google Reader is. Seriously. Although I'm not sure if I've ever used it, I am nevertheless fairly confident that I will miss it now that it is gone.

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Bettydee swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 16, 2013
I'm a regular reader of your blogs and a Reader user. Like some other posters, I can't use twitter etc during my working day. I'm also time poor when it comes to playing around the interwebz; usually only have early mornings to stuff around without interruptions or other demands on my time. Reader suited me because it would save stuff from my fav blogs for when I'm able to squeeze in a quick read, like at lunch or on public transport. Sorry to see it go but will adapt.

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MickH reckons...

Posted March 16, 2013
Nah!
I just have the web page permanently open in a tab on Firefox

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MickH would have you know...

Posted March 16, 2013
"Fuck Google Glasses and the Nerd they rode in on!"

ROFL Classic quote!

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yankeedog puts forth...

Posted March 16, 2013
What's Google Reader?

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Jacques Stahl swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 16, 2013
Just back from the scrub, but if it still counts, I don't use Google Reader - or their bloody browser bar thingy.

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JB in the library on the iPad. has opinions thus...

Posted March 16, 2013
You're my favourite, flipsockgrrl.

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damian puts forth...

Posted March 16, 2013
Oh yeah, I found this place via blunty. I know Birmo as the author of Felafel and Tassie Babes, a sometime newpaper (or newspaper website) columnist and general lad-about-town from the 80s becomes middle aged bloke about town (and part-time restaurant reviewer) in the 10s.

You people who know him for his alt-history stuff are weird.

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Timmo mumbles...

Posted March 16, 2013
Yep, big Google Reader user here too.
Once upon a time I started with Bloglines but never really picked it up and ran with it. Google Reader was something I started using once I started following a few more blogs about 4 or 5 years ago and I use it multiple times daily, mostly to follow blog posts (such as CBG and friends, plus a few forums and other random sites.

I'll be moving to feedly or similar ASAP.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan mutters...

Posted March 17, 2013
"You people who know him for his alt-history stuff are weird."

Weird?? I have communicated with you telepathically, Damian, and - by virtue of that extrasensory contact - you know I am not "weird." Okay, okay, it is possible you weren't aware of the telepathic contact of which I speak, but you should have used your empathic powers (used often by Vegans to determine protein content in tofu) to intuitively know that of which I speak (or, as the case may be, telepathically transmit).

AoT rocks!

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damian would have you know...

Posted March 17, 2013
Paul - well I see, that's alright then.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan is gonna tell you...

Posted March 17, 2013
I knew you were going to say that.

damian has opinions thus...

Posted March 17, 2013

Yes, and I knew you knew.

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TW mumbles...

Posted March 17, 2013

I've been lurking since the mid-2000s. I originally started reading while looking for Weapons of Choice info, and have stayed ever since. Never commented because I'm intimidated by the Burgers. Too much smarts for the likes of me. I use Google Reader, too. When that dies I'll probably retire from the internet. I don't see this internet thing going anywhere anyway. It's a fad. It'll go the way of the tamagotchi.Hitler and I don't hang out much.Currently re-reading the AoT series. Lovin' it again.

John Birmingham ducks in to say...

Posted March 18, 2013

Don't be intimidated by the Burgers. Most of them don't have enough to sense to wear pants.

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daleaus mutters...

Posted March 18, 2013

I started coming here through Goodreads and then lionked in through Google Reader which I use for everything media having stepped away from papers.

I will find another way in when Reader disappears. Goodreads helps with that but Google reader is more immediate for me.

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LRob35 would have you know...

Posted March 18, 2013

I've used GR for the last 3 years with CB being one of the first things I added to my feed. I've been a 'lurker' ( I prefer deeply appreciative but innately lazy fan- just saying) here since I read the AoT series and before I discovered RSS I had this page bookmarked. Have just switched to Feedly which is quite good so far. I've taken note of some of the alternatives just in case.

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Steve has opinions thus...

Posted March 18, 2013

"once you've used RSS you never go back"

I've been a frequent blog reader for a decade, though I read less than ten feeds regularly. I've tried to use readers, but they just annoy me, turning everything into vanilla format, and giving me another layer of organisation I don't need. I find that google chrome with a history means i can type the first few letters of a blog I want to get to and then hit enter, and I'm there, and can quickly work whether to linger and read or move on. I don't need a reader to keep track of everything for me. I find that with twitter and my own browsing I can obtain and cycle through content quickly enough without wanting it to be even more quicker/disposable/uniform.

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sekret sekret mumbles...

Posted March 18, 2013

I kind of don't know how I got here , What's Google Reader? RSSS? No, I couldn't be bothered reading about what it is as it all sounds redundant now anyway.I started reading Blunty because I have JB on my facebook and that lead me to realise there was this school of regulars so , out of curiosity, I typed in Cheeseburger Gothic. Ever since then I just type it in. Lazy as sin.

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kroweta asserts...

Posted March 22, 2013

Migrating from Google Reader to Feedly; me and 100's of 1000's apparently.

I found CB via AoT, mainly read, rarely commented but like the view.

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St Paddy's Day, thru Glass.

Posted March 15, 2013 into Science and Tech by John Birmingham

There is a fast emerging genre of Google Glass humour which should be well established long before the actual product makes it to retail. This is one of the funnier efforts I've seen so far.

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Blarkon mumbles...

Posted March 15, 2013
A friend of mine who is extremely senior at Google remarked that he was at a meeting where Larry Page was wearing Glass - and that when Larry was off in "Glass World" he had the appearance of Zaphod's fake head from the BBC TV adaption of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

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JG reckons...

Posted March 15, 2013
Feckin hilarious. :D :P

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johnbirmingham asserts...

Posted March 15, 2013
Ok, Space Lizard, that's even funnier.

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w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted March 15, 2013
And Google Glass people annoying you. Just step close, Say 'OK Glass' and deliver a disturbing command. Heaps of fun.

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Therbs swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted March 15, 2013
Doc Yobbo twuntered a simpler solution to Google Glass wearers. Went along the lines of 'anyone wearing glasses gets punched in the face'.
Wise man is the Doc.

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WarDog mumbles...

Posted March 15, 2013
So what is a defence for punching a cop in the face?
Why wasn't the wearer a leprechaun? In chains, going down for a 7 stretch.

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Murphy ducks in to say...

Posted March 15, 2013
All we're missing are some dudes in fatigues.

I can't wait to see the barracks videos that come from Glass.

Respects,
Murph
On the Outer Marches

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M. puts forth...

Posted March 19, 2013

Pfft. Five pints and he threw up? Deserves to be locked up for that effort.

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