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A blog purpose built for Messrs Orin and Barnes

Posted February 6, 2014 into Blunty by John Birmingham

The creationist science teacher.

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Hooper reckons...

Posted February 6, 2014

Oh, My, God. JB, you've done it again.

Reading some of those comments are going to keep me entertained all day. +1 good Sir.

Ray Comfort (from NZ, but I'm waiting for the day that Australia claims him) is another one of K-Hams ilk.

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Dave W is gonna tell you...

Posted February 6, 2014

I've definitely reached the point where I agree that science debating religion is pointless. It puts the two on an equal footing, where clearly they're not. Indeed, they're not even the same topic. Plus it gives the ignorant creationists credence.

Sub question for JB: which gets more communts- climate change, creationism v science or those damn cycling hippies who keep getting hit by cars?

BigWillieStyle is gonna tell you...

Posted February 7, 2014

I believe JB once did a blog about cycling scientists who were being funded by a hippy collective to investigate climate creationism. On Indonesian fishing boats.

The communters were out in force, I tell you.

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Murphy asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

What I find entertaining about this article is that it reads very much like the essays I get in my history classes at a local community college.

The difference?

One is satire whereas the other is wholeheartedly attempting seriousness.

Still trying to decide which is which though.

Respects,
S. F. Murphy
On the Outer Marches

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sibeen puts forth...

Posted February 6, 2014

The Enlightment

1650 - 2000

R.I.P

Dino not to be confused with has opinions thus...

Posted February 6, 2014

1650- 1861

Dino not to be confused with reckons...

Posted February 6, 2014

1650- 1861

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Rob mutters...

Posted February 6, 2014

I always wonder where all the nasty creatures went on the ark. No rational superbeing overlord would create this.

Reminds me of being at art school and making born again christians cry. About the only time my art work has had any effect whatsoever. I'm not sure if it was the blasphemy or the cruicfied teddy bears that did it.

TISM as always have the best soundtrack to this.

DiddyWrote swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 6, 2014

Hi Rob,

Julian Barnes wrote an amusing short story written from the point of view of an unwanted stowaway on the Ark. All the other animals would have killed the stowaway on sight if they had known it was on board as it was more dangerous than other creature on board.

The conclusion eventually reveals what the mysterious stowaway was.....a woodworm.

Rob has opinions thus...

Posted February 6, 2014

I liked that book too. especially the final story about the dead guy improving his golf handicap and trying to spot hitler riding a rollercoaster.

pi swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 7, 2014

Ha... I remember reading that story long ago. I thought it was true.

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SZF asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

For a laugh in my first year of uni Biology the professor treated us to a recording of a "Recent Creationist" - who really double down on that shit.

They believe that the world was literally created this morning, and EVERYTHING we remember/discovered/etc was planted in our minds by Cthulhu, or something.

First year's a little hazy, but I seem to recall that the guy on tape was a teacher or a local pollie? He was definitely a Queenslander though. I wonder...

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Quokka ducks in to say...

Posted February 6, 2014

OK. I'll lob a grenade in the shark tank.

There was a conversation on RN the other day about class size v. teacher intelligence that was relevent to this, unfortunately I cannot find the link.

Nbob, were you listening, or were you busy chastising Joe Sixpack for the contents of his esky?

The content of the conversation was that the research shows that smarter teachers = better informed children & dumber teachers = ignorant masses. And class size made SFA difference. If anything, smaller class sizes were counter-productive because it drove up the costs of education and it drove down the quality of intelligence required from the people working as teachers.

This was news to me as being an ex-educator, I know how much easier it is to cope with a smaller class size - so I've always held the view that smaller class size is better for the students & the teachers.

My only gripe with the research is that they were comparing recent studies to pre-war classes - and what you have to factor in there is that up until the 70s there was a zero tolerance attitude to bad behaviour in class.

The difference being that in the last 20 years there has been an increase in the number of children in the class who have behavioural or learning difficulties, with teachers needing to devote a good chunk of their day to attending to the needs of the most demanding personalities while the kids who don't cause a problem tend to become invisible. My gripe when I left was that kids were learning that good behaviour goes unrewarded & bad behaviour will get you everywhere.

Please view Exhibit A: Kyle Sandilands.

I have friends who are still in the edjamacation system who report that 20 years ago you'd have 1 or 2 kids that had issues. These days it's usually 1/3 of the class.

Why that's happened, or how you address it, I don't know - but that show offered an interesting viewpoint. Worth a listen, if anyone knows where to find it.

Barnesm reckons...

Posted February 6, 2014

I thnk your right, some others have questioned the methodology of that study and have identified the issue you raised.

w from brisbane asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

Quokka, I think that RN conversation about schooling might have been this one on Life Matters.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/free-schools/5216948

Re : Changes in student behaviour. I have friends who are teachers. They say, 20 years ago they were full-time teachers, now a lot of their time is social work. Increased cultural diversity is another complicating factor these days. It may enrich society in so many ways, but it is a minefield in many classrooms.

NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted February 6, 2014

Was bustin' Joe's ballz Aunty Q.

But looks interesting. I think LM has dropped a bit. Not blaming host the All In The Mind chicky Nattasha?) is bonza, I think there may have been a producer change.

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Barnesm asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

Oh thank you JB made my day.

and for a humorous take there is always Dara O'Brien

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Bondiboy66 asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

The derp levels of some of the responses are beyond the range of my derp-o-meters....

ewbewdi ducks in to say...

Posted February 6, 2014

I'm often amazed that some of the prviosly rational commenters get suddenly very, very, very irrational when the subject becomes sensitive to them. Is there a teeth gnashing, spit spraying, keyboard hammering, tanty throwing fundy buried somewhere in all of us?

insomniac asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

i prefer "passionate" to "irrational"

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Rhino has opinions thus...

Posted February 6, 2014

Get Havsy to the Atlanta International airport and I'll point him northwest and let him do what he do best - CAPPIN' MUPPETS. It is the least that you can do to send one of yours to get one of yours back.

Dino not to be confused with swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 6, 2014

He's Busy!

pi mumbles...

Posted February 7, 2014

NUKE THE FKRS FROM SPACE!!!

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Halwes asserts...

Posted February 6, 2014

Oh man that was good. The comment about the animals "might not have been full size" and "maybe you'd like to rethink that" got my vote. That would explain why the whole ark didn't fill up with shit on the first day. Tiny little elephant crap would have been easily managed by one bloke and a shovel. The creationists have definitely got us and our stupid science and logic with that one.

she_jedi swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 6, 2014

What entertains me no end is that the Ark story in the bible is derived from an even earlier Babylonian flood myth. Presenting Noah's story as fact means they're plagiarising Babylonian creation myths. Oops

pi mumbles...

Posted February 7, 2014

Hello... christmas? Winter solstice?

I reckon it's fantastic that the people who wax on about the bible and christmas put up christmas trees and wreaths on their doors. When you start a couple of questions about what the tree signifies in christianity, you get a multitude of hilarious responses. It's funny right up to the point where you explain where the actual tree thing comes from (pagan 'n all). Then their brains just switch off, and they get really angry. It's almost like a formula.

Great entertainment.

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ShaneAlpha has opinions thus...

Posted February 6, 2014

Does God still do the animal shrinking thing?

Because it would make my animal smuggling go much easier if I could get my good buddy God to shrink them , stuff them into a condom and use the old reliable smuggling routine.

Or does Richard Gere hold the copyright to that?

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Dino not to be confused with would have you know...

Posted February 6, 2014

Remember the Australian Geologist who lost at an Australian court about Noah's Ark?

Remember that.

If any Fuckwit is so stupid to mention the Bible in my earshot look out.

You do have 50 dollars in your pocket don't you?

Cause today at the bottle shop when I mentioned this story there was silence in the queue.

Either they agreed with me or they have no balls.

At least two people had no balls.

Bring on Eugenics...

Dino not to be confused with swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 6, 2014

When I mena Eugenics I mena the Western Interpretation Obviously!

Keep a stupid labour force, we need a labour force to build the Pyramids.

Who the Fuck would build a Pyramid?

Quick let's run away and change the story.

We're God's Heroes!

Dino not to be confused with puts forth...

Posted February 6, 2014

Some free intel.

Most of the good Backsish to Egypt comes from Syria.

Heard of the Bakaar.

I have mentioned Pyramids and will now mention Heliopolis.

The 'Holy Trinity' if you have a brain and find Baalbeck.

Anyway we should build a Pyramid in Kentucky.

Promise God and Eternal Salvation.

I gave all my money to some Church that promised Eternal Salvation.

I am pretty smart and I figured it was a good deal.

Like is there a better deal than that?

I ask You?

Dino not to be confused with would have you know...

Posted February 6, 2014

Burning Bush's Anyone.

Give me a 'tablet'.

Or two.

Oxycodone or uppers or downers.

Anything from Big Pharma and FaceGook.

Give me another one.

I am tired after hauling stone on a slope.

Rope Burns.

Dino not to be confused with is gonna tell you...

Posted February 6, 2014

Anyhoo pray to your dog and I hope you get to visit the Georgia Guide Stones.

In the mena time watcha da Olympics anda vega outa.

All's good.

Sweet.

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Mark R. Whittington has opinions thus...

Posted February 6, 2014

Just in the way of a minor correction, Bill Nye is not a scientist, though he used to play one on TV.

Barnesm has opinions thus...

Posted February 7, 2014

I think that may depend on what you define as a scientist.

He did complete a degree in Mechanical Engineering at Cornell University and after graduation worked as an engineer at Boeing. He developed a hydraulic pressure resonance suppressor still used in the 747 today.

He continues his interest in science and engineering and assisted in the development of a small sundial that was included in the Mars Exploration Rover missions to provide a basis for color calibration in addition to helping keep track of time.

Asa fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry I think employs the principles of the scientific method and displays an understanding of that method much greater than many people who may be studying PHD (yes I am looking at you Univeristy of Wollongong)

So if you mean a scientist is only someone who holds a recognised PhD from a accreditied university then no he isn't a scientist but remember historicaly those that made many of the break throughs in science never held such degrees but I wouldn't say they weren't scientists.

pi has opinions thus...

Posted February 7, 2014

I agree. Any good technical engineer is also a scientist in practice.

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Blarkon ducks in to say...

Posted February 6, 2014

The problem with these debates is that they are unlikely to ever change minds. I saw one with Plimer versus someone similar (before Plimer went all Global Warming Denial he wrote a book demolishing creationism). The key question is "what would change your mind on this?" - and that needs to be asked at the start.

Bangar has opinions thus...

Posted February 8, 2014

I wonder how many minds have been changed by internet "arguements". My guess none.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted February 9, 2014

Internet arguments frequently persuade me to change my ways.

NBlob would have you know...

Posted February 10, 2014

Comrade Havoc changed my mind about the need for armed forces. I was a confirmed pacifist, I believed that all the $ spent on war would be better spent on social programs and that making widows & orphans only stored up problems for another generation. He argued convincingly that there are times when the Just War argument holds up and when such a circumstance arises its best to be able to deliver deadly force with accuracy & overwhelming might.

Jarrod ducks in to say...

Posted February 10, 2014

Its like that story told by Richard Dawkins who was invited to debate a creationist in the US. his response was "That will look much better on your resume than it will on mine" and politely declined.

It is amazing to me that in the age of reason there are so many people who believe in relgious crap. Still I suppose that at least 50% of all the people you meet are of below average intelligence.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan puts forth...

Posted February 10, 2014

Speak for yourself. For me it is closer to 95%. It is very depressing.

Jarrod has opinions thus...

Posted February 10, 2014

Ummm that can't be the case. Of course it may be that you think that 95% of the people you meet are below your level of intelligence, which might be true if you are very bright, or it might not be true if you are very dim and suffer from the dunning kruger effect.

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NBlob puts forth...

Posted February 7, 2014

Off topic, but slightly Awsm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-06/taranis-drone-uk-mod-bae-systems-woomera-south-australia/5242636

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Darth Greybeard puts forth...

Posted February 7, 2014

One thing not widely mentioned was the range of creationist beliefs. At the rational end you have those who absolutely accept the history of the universe, evolution etc and simply see God as a prime cause. No urge to argue there - who am I to say? Moral nature of hypothetical deity is for another day.

But at the other end we have the People's Front for the Liberation of Judea vs the People's Liberation Front of Judea. Billy didn't realise that Ken would cast him into the pit for his crazy old universe/new earth beliefs. Also someone should introduce Billy to Ockham's Razor. Oops, gotta see an agent. BBL

Therbs reckons...

Posted February 7, 2014

Typical splitter talk.

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FormerlyKnownAsSimon has opinions thus...

Posted February 7, 2014

it's like the powerball when the first comment is like that. It also sets the tone for the remainder of the comments. I think that guy is onto something though . . . dinosaurs did exist, it's just that when it came for their time to get shrunk down . . .well the shrink ray had been working overtime, overheated a bit got stuck and couldn't stop. The poor buggers just slipped through the cracks. Plus we've all seen those drawings of super sized wombats and kangaroos. They didn't get resized when they got dropped off.

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w from brisbane mutters...

Posted February 7, 2014

Religious belief is probably just about the most diverse thing produced by the human mind. It is unscientific to try to simplistically characterise. JB's piece was specific to the promoter of the idea that 'earth' was created from go to woe about 6,000 years ago, in six solar days. That would seem to be at the more extreme end of Christian belief.
I was raised a Catholic. My mother goes to church each week and the beliefs expressed by Ham would be given short shrift by her, and really be irrelevant to the nature of her faith.
I puzzle to try to understand what people actually think God is. It is not that important to many practitioners.
I have known quite a few priests, mates and mates of mates. The question I ask priests is, "When you pray, do you think there is some conscious entity listening, in any way that we might understand listening?"
"Not really", would be the most common response.

Dino not to be confused with puts forth...

Posted February 7, 2014

Hey W,

In my limited experience faith is not in God but in Humanity.

I deeply Religious.

Despite my rantings I am.

The nexus between Science and Theology is fascinating but for intellects higher than ours.

No disrespect to you my friend.

I cherish your thoughts.

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted February 7, 2014

That's cool, Dino. I might have been raised a Catholic, but I turned in my kneepads when I first carefully considered religious doctrine and whether it made rational sense to me. I remember it well. I was walking to school. I was nine years old.

Dino not to be confused with swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted February 7, 2014

Just fkn grow up W!

Jarrod mumbles...

Posted February 10, 2014

That is an interesting point. If God does exist and is indeed omiscient then (S)he has a mind capable of simultanously processing all information avaliable in the universe. That is an intelligence that is so beyond human capabilities that it is completely alien. How could a human being possibily relate to an intelligence that powerful. Indeed for an intelligence that powerful they would get a headache thinking down to our puny level.

If God does exist then it is no creature to which we could possibly relate.

Dino not to be confused with would have you know...

Posted February 10, 2014

You know the thing about the stone.

The big one at Baalbeck is the men said-

NO worries. You move it.

And then there was Silence.

How nice would that be (?).?

Dino not to be confused with asserts...

Posted February 10, 2014

And it is still fuckin there!

Waiting LAdies?

Dino not to be confused with would have you know...

Posted February 10, 2014

What I suggetssss Is you terat men with soome respect.

Dino not to be confused with has opinions thus...

Posted February 10, 2014

"Just a little bit"

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Jarrod asserts...

Posted February 10, 2014

LOL, that cracks me up! it is right up there with: " I'm not racist, I have friends who are black" and "I dunno much about art but I know what I like"

Perhaps gaining some expertise might assist with the whole belief thingy.

The problem with Intelligent Design and the suggestion that we are the product of some "creator" is that leads to the inexorable question "where did the creator come from". I know I know "Its elephants all the way down".

So who designed God!

Jarrod has opinions thus...

Posted February 10, 2014

Game set and Match to Mr Boylan. I am now a creationist!

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