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Shall we open the spoiler threads tomorrow?

Posted December 27, 2014 into Books by John Birmingham

Or should we wait for Greybeard? In his dotage, he has fallen somewhat behind.

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GhostSwirv puts forth...

Posted December 27, 2014

I say wait for Greybeard - Merry Christmas JB and to one and all, both above and below and those souls somewhat trapped between.
Been off-site due to interminable failure of portal connectivity - but have spent the past 30 hours consuming lashings of Boxing Day Family pork, turkey, Red Back & Bulleit bourbon between blood spattered Xmas-gift morsels of TheDave, ploughing dutifully through until I encountered the sad end of Emergence, strangely satiated.
But Christmas cheer seems empty now ...
GhostSwirv over and out - perhaps if I started re-reading very slowly I can stretch the daze until Resistance in March?

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Therbs mumbles...

Posted December 27, 2014
Maybe during the lunch break at the cricket tomorrow. GB is rugged up in the southern cold, dreaming fitfully of hobbits feasting on baked hams, mulberry pie and mead.

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Spanner has opinions thus...

Posted December 27, 2014
*shouts: Yeah let's wait for Greybread!
*whispers: and wait for me cause Mr14 hasn't finished yet.



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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 27, 2014
How will Greybeard ever better himself if his weaknesses are constantly coddled, if he is saved from the consequences of his failings?

Darth Greybeard swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 27, 2014
Social Darwinist!

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 28, 2014
Quite the opposite, at least in part. I, of course, revere Charles Darwin as a demigod (what sentient human does not?), but I really don't like people much, and so can accurately be characterized as antisocial.

NBlob puts forth...

Posted December 28, 2014
So more of an antisocial Darwinist.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 28, 2014
That's a good way of putting it, yes.

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Darth Greybeard has opinions thus...

Posted December 27, 2014
Don't (cough) wait for me chaps*. Just (groan) go on without me. Tell the Colonel, well, tell him I've always loved him....
(*of all genders)That's kind but I'm easy. No great effort to avoid spoilers for a few days and I'm actually thinking of picking up another copy tomorrow. As a gift for a nephew you understand. And as a responsible uncle, I'll have to read it first, eh?

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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted December 27, 2014
Spoilers! Surely not yet. Emergence is not even available internationally, is it? I actually intend to wait until Dave 3 comes out before I start reading Dave 1. I prefer to read the whole story in one go.
But, spoil away.(Spoil - To impair or destroy the value or quality of; ruin.)But I reckon you should wait until the whole story is told and available internationally.
It doesn't worry me that much personally. I am good at turning my eyes from spoilers, but I firmly am in the anti-spoiler camp. I want to be surprised. I want the author to be telling me the story, not some blabby bloke on the internet.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 27, 2014
" I actually intend to wait until Dave 3 comes out before I start reading Dave 1."

What are you, sick or something?

GhostSwirv reckons...

Posted December 27, 2014

... 'I want the author to be telling me the story, not some blabby bloke on the internet.' ...
Surely you've read the stuff the JB puts out online?

w from brisbane is gonna tell you...

Posted December 27, 2014
Sick? That's what I'm trying to avoid. I just don't have your guts. The night after night, little eyes peering over the bedspread, clutching on to teddy, worrying about what is going to happen to Dave. Unlike you guys, I just can't live that life anymore. Oh no, I'm going to wait.

NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted December 27, 2014
#TheDave

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WarDog reckons...

Posted December 27, 2014
Steady on. I just over my Boxing Day hangover.

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insomniac would have you know...

Posted December 27, 2014
I am hoping to receive my copy, cruelly posted at 6.30pm on Christmas Eve, on Monday, but due to family commitments will be unable to read more than a teaser, so either spoil away or distract ms insomniac for a time.

Dave W would have you know...

Posted December 28, 2014
That's such an interesting and important topic that it will practically write itself.

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JG would have you know...

Posted December 27, 2014
I shall avert my eyes and avoid any spoiler threads. Still to start reading Emergence what with Christmas and all. Might start lazily tomorrow.

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NBlob puts forth...

Posted December 27, 2014
1. The correct spelling is GreyBread, an ancient & proud lineage, with many a bastard & grey sheep. Ahem.2. Wait for him? What madness is this? I ache for a troika, snow & pursuing wolves to throw him to.

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she_jedi mutters...

Posted December 27, 2014
Oh yes please can we start the spoiler discussions? I have to write a 1000 word source analysis on what funerary art and architecture reveal about Roman social issues for Uni by 5pm Monday and I'll need something with which to procrastinate :)

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Quokka mumbles...

Posted December 28, 2014
Since GB has relocated to the cake & cheese district of southern climes he is now more appropriately known as GreyBroad.Since his dotage involves doting on the Grand Evil while her mother visits Ikea I propose that you show no mercy & tread him under foot.

Anthony asserts...

Posted December 29, 2014
As the Grateful Dead once sang "Every silver lining has a touch of grey"

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Darth Greybeard asserts...

Posted December 28, 2014
You know, the only people who are nice to me on this blog are the ones I haven't met yet. I guess I've just been really unlucky and met the wrong ones, eh? Yeah. That must be it.

Therbs ducks in to say...

Posted December 28, 2014
Erm, is that just on this blog GB or elsewhere?

Darth Greybeard puts forth...

Posted December 28, 2014
Oh that's right, bring my family into it.

NBlob reckons...

Posted December 28, 2014

correlation / causation? It *Could* be an coincidence. As my Momma always told me; there is a direct ,mathematical relationship between the number of trams that cross the Grey St Bridge & the number of gallons of water that flows under it.

A: It shows how old my Mum is, Brisbane hasn't had trams, on the Grey St bridge or otherwise, for 40 years.

B: Just because it has a mathematical link, doesn't mean one causes the other.

damian puts forth...

Posted December 28, 2014
Finding patterns is something our brains seem to be optimised to do, and meaning is the thing we bring to our perceptions, a side effect of the need to string a narrative from rather imperfect snapshot state samples that seems to be the way our consciousness functions. So the temptation to ascribe meaning to patterns is deeply ingrained.
That's one way of looking at it. You get almost the exact same result if the subject only has association rather than a concept of cause and effect, and from outside you can't tell if the latter is even in play. There's a good argument that most people don't even get cause and effect, but ascribe to it stuff that only works for them by association.

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan has opinions thus...

Posted December 28, 2014
"Finding patterns is something our brains seem to be optimised to do"

Speak for yourself. My brain doesn't seek patterns: it seeks jokes. Preferably funny jokes.

NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted December 29, 2014
Paul, your definition of Funny redefines idiosyncratic.
Damian. Heard a anti-pokies campaigner one time talking about exactly that. He suggested that a deep & ancient part of a "players" brain is trapped in pattern seeking. Was it those lights then that jingle before the payout or was it this jingle then the other lights. Fascinating stuff.I've tried to explain misplaced assumptions of causality to dozens of friends. Many of whom have un-friended me shortly after. The best tool is Lisa Simpson's magic rock that keeps away tigers. "You don't see any tigers around do you?"

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GhostSwirv swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 28, 2014

Remember GB I like Redback, Bulleit and Shiraz - not necessarily in that order or combination.
GhostSwirv over and out to change my network settings - wish me luck

Darth Greybeard has opinions thus...

Posted December 28, 2014
And poor GhostSwirv was never seen or heard from again. Can we send out a search party?

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Jon has opinions thus...

Posted December 28, 2014
Can i buy all 3 parts? if not ill wait it out. Didnt like your english cover by the way probably cause it had a pale useless englishman on it. chat later

John Birmingham mumbles...

Posted December 28, 2014
You'll have to wait until April to buy all three at once.

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MickH would have you know...

Posted December 28, 2014
Well I'm just finishing up the book but I'm off on a 2 week cruise tomorrow (Voyager of the seas, Fiji & NZ) :)
So I can't ask a couple of questions I have until I get back. Internetz cost on board the ship cost the GDP of Jamaica, so I have to wait. And the boss..er..Mrs has said she will cut me a new one if I go anywhere near anything webbed, (I think that includes ducks but I'm not sure)
Damn

Bangar has opinions thus...

Posted December 28, 2014
Enjoy your trip Mick,if you go to Suva ... well it's a cruise you've all ready paid for your food eat on board.

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Anthony mumbles...

Posted December 28, 2014

I got the Kindle version on pre-order and read it in almost one sitting... I want more! I want to know all the answers to all the questions I have.


I also got the new Matthew Reilly (with a slew of other books) for Christmas. Interesting comparison.


Matthew Reilly has lots of splodey bits - and dragons and heat-seeking missiles. Possibly even more splodey bits than JB. But nowhere near as good. Fun and entertaining but not a patch on Dave. Reilly tells a good story - JB immerses you in it.


Just an aside - I wonder if the next Starwars could feature a Dave Maul character?

I will say that I expect the NT Times to rate it well above Emergence - it's got saltwater crocodiles in it and Dav doesn't. And everyone knows that the NT Times is saltie besotted.

John Birmingham has opinions thus...

Posted December 28, 2014
Matthew is accelerando. I am basso profundo.

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damian asserts...

Posted December 29, 2014
Finished the Dave yesterday, so getting all spoilerific would be fine by me. Of course, this means I've gone back to reading Mike Carlton's book about the HMAS Sydney and the Emden, a thread about that would work for me too (history books come pre-spoiled I guess).

NBlob mutters...

Posted December 29, 2014
Don't tell me, my money is on Muller; experience+ 10 X 4.1" guns with Zeiss optics & well managed fire control, 2 torp tubes, a top speed of 23+ knots Versus 8X6" guns, 2 torp tubes + change and English optics & a fire control system the equivalent of "Wot Ho chaps, have at the Hun."

NBlob ducks in to say...

Posted December 29, 2014
Goddamn I love the interwebs.http://ww1blog.osborneink.com/?p=3692

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MickH would have you know...

Posted December 29, 2014
My Grandfather was a stoker on the Australia during the battle Damian. I used to love listening to his stories as a kid

Anthony is gonna tell you...

Posted December 29, 2014

By a strange coincidence I was talking about the Emden with my brother-in-law the other day. His grandfather was on the Sydney for the battle and went on to be wounded at Gallipolli - he was one of the sailors rowing the troops ashore.

He then went on to serve on the Australia.

NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted December 29, 2014
Massive FanBoi of Dan Carlin Podcasts. http://www.dancarlin.com/ Thinky & 'splodey, with BBQ'd sacred cows & a sharp kick to the preconceptions.He released a massive multiple episode WW1 show, with a most excellent segment on the battle of Jutland. If you have a boring commute It is Teh Shizzle.

damian mumbles...

Posted December 29, 2014
I'm still waiting for Ep V of Blueprint for Armageddon. I'm drumming my fingertips on the dashboard and still waiting.
Not that I mind, mind :)
Which one had battle of Jutland? I listened to them in a binge a few months back... after your recommendation as I recall.

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 29, 2014
Have I mentioned wanting Eskine Childers for bookclub?

NBlob is gonna tell you...

Posted December 29, 2014
The one full fat, full cream naval battle. Where in the German fleet had its T crossed twice. I was particularly taken with his take on how fast State of the Art became redundant, and how the opportunity cost of using/ not using such high priced platforms may have helped push the Central Powers towards war. <div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">IE You've spent a bazillion marks / pounds building these mighty platforms, the pride of the fleet and they have a shelf life like yogurt 5years after launch they are superseded, 10 years after launching they can barely keep up, 15 an archaic death trap. Any amortisation of value would say "declare war the day sea trials are complete."<div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">As battle fleets were transitioning from coal to oil, huge improvements in gunnery- both hardware & process and fleet air assets were making this a particularly fast evolving context may exaggerate this trend, but if anyone made it back after engaging a ME 110 in a Halifax, they'd tell the same story. If they made it home.<div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">
From memory in Russia Vs Japan, engagement @ 8 miles <2% shots fired hit. 20 years later at Jutland; engagement @ 18 miles >10% shells fired hit.

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted December 29, 2014
Oh, familiar with the battle. Just don't remember which episode of Blueprint for Armageddon had it. I was drinking beer and wallowing in Liege, Ardennes, Somme, etc (minor bypass to Gallipoli).
Noting that Carlin, like Carlton, doesn't forgo the odd opportunity to put the boot into Churchill.

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Darth Greybeard has opinions thus...

Posted December 29, 2014
Book is here! Bye now.

NBlob puts forth...

Posted December 29, 2014
Large print edition one presumes.

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John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted December 29, 2014
Contract signed. Probably in production.

Once Was Moko is gonna tell you...

Posted December 30, 2014
Outstanding

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GhostSwirv mutters...

Posted December 29, 2014

Hey Darth Greybeard I'm back ... Darth are you there, Grey - don't leave me hanging man, not with this Horde!
Audio book - voice of TheDave - did anyone spring to mind JB when you were conceiving Earth's champion or is it always your own voice you hear when battling demonic Orcs, Greenpeace and divorce lawyer types?

GhostSwirv over and out

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Chaz mutters...

Posted December 30, 2014

Just amazed that Emergence has actually made it out here.

lucky the office is very very quiet!

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Bunyip puts forth...

Posted December 30, 2014
Managed to make it to Chapter 17 before RL and Planet Parenthood intruded.
The questions... oh, the questions...

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