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Who are these racist dicks and why are they booing Adam Goodes?

Posted July 29, 2015 by John Birmingham

I hadn't really followed the Adam Goodes saga, or crisis, or full-blown racist dipshit kerfuffle, whatever you want to call it, until yesterday. But I finally got caught up. And now I feel sort of existentially sick, as though my soul has been dipped into a simmering cauldron of Eddie Maguire’s anal leakage.

Apologies to overseas readers who have no idea what I'm talking about. Here is the shareware lite version. Adam Goodes is a football player. He runs on for the Sydney Swans In the Australian Football League. He has twice won the Brownlow Medal, awarded each year to the player judged Best and Fairest in the national competition. Adam Goodes is an aborigine. For the last year, whenever he has stepped onto the ground outside of Sydney the fans of opposing teams have booed him. Why? Oh, they have a lot of bullshit reasons (his playing style, some dancing thing), but trust me, we are in this giant boiling cauldron of arse juice because Adam Goodes is a black man.

So toxic has this racist abuse become that the racists have been forced to come up with excuses for it. You know things are bad when racists feel obliged to find an excuse to be racists. It means their racism has gone viral and now people are asking questions.

It is possible that Goodes may not play this weekend, indeed that he may retire from the game completely without ever setting foot on the field again, because of the toll placed, not on him, but on his teammates. Did I mention that Adam Goodes was also chosen as Australian of the Year? Sorry, I must have forgotten that, the same way that all of the bigots who have piled onto him keep forgetting that it's not about ethics in gaming journalism (thanks Preston Towers) it's about them being bigots.

The crisis, and it is a crisis, has reached the point where even the slow-moving bureaucratic muntosaurs running the AFL have been forced to act. They sat down for crisis talks this week and decided they would really like it if the tens of thousands of racist tools who keep paying good money at the turnstiles would keep paying good money at the turnstiles but leave the public expression of their deepest and most sincerely felt bigotries at the gate. But please, bring your money. To encourage tens of thousands of racists to keep bringing the money, but not their racism, the AFL is going to do… something. Or… Maybe…Er…

I'm not an AFL fan. But a long time ago I did have a Victorian friend who followed North Melbourne and so I followed them for a while too, during the era of Malcolm Blight and the Krakouer brothers. I have a residual fondness for the game, but not growing up in Melbourne means I was not baptised into the cult. That residual fondness, however, is now tainted by the sour taste of arse jus. A vintage reduction brewed up, not just in the stands at Sydney's away games, but in the columns of the News Ltd press, where such fine, upstanding Australians as Mr Andrew Bolt have weighed into the matter – to criticise Goodes.

I know. I too was shocked.

Is there a solution to this? I can only think of one. Every time it happens, every AFL player with a shred of human decency should refuse to keeping play. Just stop, fold their arms and stare at the crowd. That won't happen of course. But it would be a great thing if it did – for the game and for the country, both of which have long benefitted from the contrubitions of indigenous players like Adam Goodes and the Krakouer brothers.

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84 Responses to ‘Who are these racist dicks and why are they booing Adam Goodes?’

DrWittyKnitter would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
Agree that the other players, both sides, should just stop and stare. And apparently this ridiculous, childish, pathetic behaviour is spreading across the Tasman.

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Barnesm asserts...

Posted July 29, 2015

I appreciated you giving me a concise backgrounder on this, like you have only heard this peripherally. Suprising I know given I live in Melbourne.

My only response is WTF! I knew there were racist dipshits out there, I was at the anti reclaim Asutralia rally on Saturday but I didn't realize that it was so blatantly tolerated in a crowd that attends AFL matches.

I am sorry I was almost tempted to read Bolt after your mention of "to criticise Goodes" cause ..HOW? but I assume this explains some of the tweets I have seen about how is imaginarily throwing a spear (and I am still not sure that's not a spear-thrower racist dog whistle) as terrifying as racism.


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Lulu has opinions thus...

Posted July 29, 2015
I've had a soft spot for Adam Goodes ever since he won his first Brownlow medal - and took his mother as his date to the dinner.

I don't know how much the AFL CEO speaking out will mean. I think there should be a joint statement from *all* the club presidents and *all* the club captains that this is not on. If there isn't, I'll be disappointed - and a bit suspicious of why not.

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Surtac is gonna tell you...

Posted July 29, 2015

Sad. Sad indeed. Just goes to show how f*cking hypocritical we can be as a so-called 'nation'.

II didn't grow up in Melbourne but I did grow up in Hobart, so I too was raised on AFL rather than thugby. I knew of the Krakouer brothers and the fact that they were Aboriginal, but my only reaction was 'Sh*t they're good - why aren't they on my team?'.

I really think we've gone backwards as a country recently and I'm not sure why. It's easy to blame Howard and Abbott for their wedge politics but I don't think that's the whole explanation. I don't remember the Ella brothers (in rugby Union) having to deal with the sh*t being dealt to Adam Goodes right now. So what else has changed here?

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Halwes has opinions thus...

Posted July 29, 2015
I don't follow AFL but I've got a lot of time for Adam Goodes. He's done some great work and always carries himself with dignity. Are you sure that this is true racism though and not just a wind up? Wouldn't it only be racism if the fans were abusing black members of their own teams? I've seen those AFL crowds on TV and they look pretty feral and dumb at times. They'll do and say anything to put the opposing players off their game. The press have fed this quite a bit as Goodes doing a "war dance" intimating that we are at war with each other which sells newspapers. As soon as he did his dance the fans knew that they were getting to him and they wont stop now unless something happens to diffuse the situation. The other thing that bothered me is that, in a traditional dance the spear gets raised but it doesn't ever get thrown unless the situation is dire and someone needs to be killed. In the clips I saw Adam didn't throw the spear but the bloke on the weekend flicked them at people all over the ground. In my traditional education, if you throw the spear, real or not, then it doesn't stop until there has been a lot of bloodshed. The young bloke on the weekend may or may not have known this. We are starting to get way too polarised in this country. Have a think about where this ends up for Australia. As all races continue to be bred out of existence into the great melting pot of the future, isn't it time that we all just had a think about our shared heritage out of Africa and realised that racism is a big load of bullshit? I'm not sure your average AFL supporter or player would easily grasp the concept though.

Therbs asserts...

Posted July 29, 2015
The nuances of any dance will be missed by these racist arsehats. What motions the players make when doing a dance in support of Goodes is irrelevant. Totally fucking irrelevant.

insomniac mumbles...

Posted July 29, 2015
No doubt the people complaining about the dance will be the same people who complain about the glorious All Blacks' haka.

Halwes would have you know...

Posted July 30, 2015
I'm not sure that you are right Therbs. Go up to a stranger and make a pretend gun with your hand. Look them in the eye and pull the imaginary trigger. You will get a reaction. It's the same with an imaginary spear I reckon. The actual dance is irrelevent and wouldn't even get a headline if the final act wasn't a spear.

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Spanner mumbles...

Posted July 29, 2015
I'm about to gen on a plane so a longer and more nuanced post may come later. 2 points:
1 Preston Towers nailed it.
2 Racists Fuck em.

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insomniac is gonna tell you...

Posted July 29, 2015
It appears that the booing started in earnest after he called out that teenage girl for calling him an ape. Perhaps the dipshits didn't realise he was Aboriginal up until he pointed it out. I also agree that play should stop if it happens, although I also see that there are reports that he is contemplating retirement, which would be sad.

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Murphy_of_Missouri is gonna tell you...

Posted July 29, 2015
Selector switch from safe to semi.
Standing ready.

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Barnesm would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
The Preston Powers piece you link to really does dismantle the whole 'its not a racist thing argument' fantastic stuff.

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Darth Greybeard is gonna tell you...

Posted July 29, 2015
My warning to Ms Clumsy on the Twits yesterday stands. "Cue flood of abuse because you don't understand that it's all about ethics in footballism." Probably much the same bag of dicks. And if you want something genuinely stomach-turning (but why would you?) check the comments to @CoralieAlison yesterday. Sure, many of them seem to have a mental age of 12 and zero empathy but I suspect they're adults and voters.

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HAVOCK21 asserts...

Posted July 29, 2015
is booing racist? Cos I know a fkn lot of AFL players that get booed.
I think it got taken past the point of being " ME", I am who I am and now its entered the arsehat category. Thats him IMHO. He's a hgreat bloke, just now behaving like a tard.
OH and yes, there are some out there being fknb muppets too. I'm not for one minute saying there is not. But he's being a first order dick! in my opinion.
And thats a fkn big brush you are wielding there JB!

John Birmingham reckons...

Posted July 29, 2015
Yeah, well its being wielded by thirty to forty thousand people every weekend he plays away from Sydney. It has to be a big brush.

Therbs swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 29, 2015
Hav, it started after he called out that girl for racism. He was right. If that's acting like a "tard" then I hope it continues. Why don't people boo that dirty grub Stevie J? He performs like a complete spoilt brat, niggles etc and cops nowt. Difference is skin. Goodes doesn't promote any of this, it's just people who are inherently racist using other labels to mask it. It's a fucking disgrace. And when did Goodes "act like a tard"? Come on, explain it in terms of not using Brereton style mythical bullshit to explain racial villification.

HAVOCK21 mumbles...

Posted July 29, 2015
Therbs, its the continuation of his antics, there is a point in my view where continuing to carry out his Dance is not for any other purpose than to say FK YOU to the crowd.
Now everybody..I mean everybody is entitled to do both of those things, but if you continue to do it, the crowd will at some point in my view determine that you are a dick, that this is not to forward the cause and you are effectively just behaving badly. That's where this is now in my view, sure there will be an element in the crowd, we've said that, but to tag such a vast number of AFL supporters as racists is very daft, bordering on culpable for persons who have such vast media presence. I'm not alone, there are plenty of high profile people that I'm sure a lot would call " More Balanced" than me, pushing a similar theme.
I think that Adam's intent was right, the continuation was wrong...... and I'd go further to say that media presenters have managed to give this way to much air and overall its now hurt the cause for Adam.
I don't think less of him for what he originally did at all, I think less of him for the continuation, and that's as a person. Not as an Aboriginal, or Aboriginal player or Brownlow medallist or Australian of the year. All accolades for which he will and rightfully should be remembered and revered for, just having gone too far.
And that's my view. PS. Therbs, I was not trying to you Brereton style MBS, I've not heard his view, just a few snippets, like Ross Greenwood this morning.

insomniac asserts...

Posted July 29, 2015
I'm pretty sure Goodes only did the war dance thing once, during the Indigenous round. Lewis Jetta did one the other day in support and in response to the booing arsehats from WA.

Therbs would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
What antics? There aren't any. What continuance? He did one dance during Indigenous Round. Aside from pointing out the racist verbal from the thirteen year old girl, tehre's been no histrionics or carry on from Adam Goodes. Its a myth perpetuated by Melbourne media types, tweeters and social commentators and you've fallen for it.

HAVOCK21 asserts...

Posted July 29, 2015
not fallen for, its not about DOING A DANCE, its about his remonstrations, pointing , charging, and comments....all continuing. And ...AND!!!!!! on top of that, getting booed and not liking it!...well....bad fkn luck I say. Lots have been boooooed before.
What do I see with Adam. I see somebody who very readily goes to the race card!.
Personally...I FKN HATE HIM AS A PLAYER!...cannot stand the fkr. Fakes it and in my opinon he's a grand stander. Thats my view. does that make me a racist!...I fkn HATE BUCKLY with as much gusto!.....

Therbs puts forth...

Posted July 29, 2015

What remonstrations and pointing does he do which are beyond that of any number of other AFL players? Not going to the race card, he stood up to what was based on race and has been copping it since. This "everyone gets booed" is simply rationalisation of something which started as race based and through labelling him as other things (sook, penalty puller, all the rest) gave the munters licence to keep it going. The fact is he stands up for himself and what a lot of the racists in the crowd hate is an uppity blackfella.

Ive said it before but Stevie J can best be described as a grub for the style of his play and interaction with opponents. But he's white, yeah?

Adam's character is strong, he is a kind and gentle man and gives willingly of his time to others.

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Josh would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
Sorry JB. I couldn't disagree with you more on this. I'm a life long AFL fan/supporter/player who's childhood hero's were Gilbert McAdam & Michael Long. The booing is not racially based. In fact it had pretty much stopped over the few weeks before last weekend because it had been linked with racism. The West Coast supporters (who brought back the booing on Sunday) are infamous for being a bunch of grubs at their own ground. They did the exact same thing to Jobe Watson when the ASADA story first broke. I'm not condoning booing 1 player for whatever reason. But putting it down to racism just seems very convenient.

Lulu reckons...

Posted July 29, 2015
"They did the exact same thing to Jobe Watson when the ASADA story first broke."

The Preston Towers article which JB linked to covers why that booing (and others) is different from this case.

Josh has opinions thus...

Posted July 29, 2015
Where is this link you speak of ? I'm more than happy to read it.

Therbs asserts...

Posted July 29, 2015

In what way is it not racially based. It came to the fore after Goodes called out the racist girl in the crowd particularly by the Melbourne AFL inner circle (e.g.Eddie Maguire making a King Kong joke). Using tags of "sook" are a way of covering the inherent racism which lies at the heart of this. I haven't seen a player cop the likes consistently, across many clubs. Its tens of thousands doing it supported by the bullshit "harden the fuck up" attitude of many in the AFL world. It isn't about being hard, he's proven his toughness by being brave in the face of unrelenting racism. The sooner people like you stop denying its racist nature, the better. If he was white, this would never have started.

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UntamedSnark would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
Josh-the booing hadn't pretty much stopped. 3 of the last 4 games were played as home games for the Swans so it was over powered by the fans Lions fans were not too bad though there was a vocal contingent, previous to that both the Suns and Kangaroos were very vocal & aggressive with their booingIt has steadily been getting worse all season

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Lobes would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
The soccer honchos at UEFA know how to deal with this crap. Any club that unleashes racist supporters can expect to play their next game in front of an empty stadium. If the talking heads at AFL house had the slightest bit of integrity they'd go down the same route. But they won't because they're perfectly happy condoning racism.

Therbs would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
A simple and effective measure. But the AFL and Melbourne AFL types don't see the issue as being such a problem as requiring such definitive action. They just don't get it. They're still living in Hey Hey! Its Red Faces Black Face times.

HAVOCK21 mumbles...

Posted July 29, 2015
good thing then the NRL does not follow suit I guess, hell, throw in coke snorters, wife bashers and generally cave man like NRL players as bad and you would not have a code anywhere in OZ.
As for soccer..yep, they keep them out on the streets riotingand when was the last time an AFL stadium got burnt down or had flares thrown out at an AFL game.

Therbs swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 29, 2015
This isn't about those issues, bad as they are. Its about knocking racist crap on the head.

Bollocks mumbles...

Posted July 29, 2015

There's been great aboriginal players in the AFL for bloody decades. Why is the problem blowing up now? Probably because social justice warriors who want to play "kick a bogan" have decided to inflame the situation. It's fucking awesome for generating web traffic - and the luvvies on twitter that fucking hate bogans and the sport they watch have found another crusade to get enraged about.

The crowds have never been perfect - but people like Therbs want to tar AFL supporters as some sort of Neuremburg rally because what he really fucking hates - more than racists - is the people that actually watch AFL.

When something like this really blows up - especially when there have been teams like Essendon and North Melbourne that have had amazing indigenous players for years and where, while there has been occasional bullshit, you have to wonder what changed

And what changed is not that people suddenly became more racist (that's probably been on the decline as everyone has become a bit more enlightened) - but instead the hysterical social media driven ecosystem that inflames division rather than builds consensus.

The more the media and people like Therbs whip this up - the worse it is going to get. Rather than building consensus and generating tolerance and understanding - there's a lot more mileage on building the biggest bonfire possible and seeing how many bastards can be fried.

John Birmingham asserts...

Posted July 30, 2015
That argument would hold more water if the criticism was only coming from the SJW Collective. But it's being made by people who love the game. It's not a bogan sport. It's a billion dollar entertainment business.

beeso asserts...

Posted July 30, 2015
Jonathon Brown, that well known lefty SJW.

Timbo asserts...

Posted July 30, 2015
Why is it 'only just blowing up now'?

Because he stood up for himself and all who follow him, he didn't do what 'everyone' would have preferred and just suck it up.

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w from brisbane ducks in to say...

Posted July 29, 2015
Getting picked out for booing by opposition supporters is traditionally an affirmation of your success as a player. Normally, in between boos, the booers are saying to each other 'Gee, I wish he played for us!'. As I have sat amongst booers, it might not sound like it, but the booing can be good natured and meant to be complimentary. Also, the 'boo' noise is such a keeper because it carries well and rises over other sounds, so the number of booers is usually much fewer than it sounds like. That being said, this booing is past a joke and everyone needs to move on. It is up to the opposition management and players to lead the fans. Maybe the opposition players could stand arm and arm with Goodes before the opening whistle to indicate to their fans that the opposition players don't want it and their fans are not helping their team with the booing.

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yankeedog swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 29, 2015
Well, if you all don't want the big black guy, send him up here. Looks like NFL linebacker material to me.

If the guy can play and win your team some games, who should care if he's black, or red, or Scots tartan? Yeah, I know, some people do (American sports fans were the same, until someone said 'Hey, that Robinson guy's pretty good'). Is he the first Aborigine to play the game?

w from brisbane puts forth...

Posted July 29, 2015
There has been heaps of aboriginal players for many decades and they have provided some of the most popular, skilful and admired players. Some have been singled out for booing, often because they are opposition players that would be an annoying to opposition fans whether they were black or white. Though, if the player is aboriginal the booing can include strong racist comment. Partly that is because physical attributes are often used with insults. It's the way insults are personalised. You skinny c*nt, you fat c*nt, you short c*nt, you tall c*nt, you red headed c*nt, you black c*nt.

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Paul_Nicholas_Boylan swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 29, 2015
I gotta pick up where the Ydog left off.

All of this is old news. It is very cold comfort that you lot are experiencing racism in sport like we Americans did.

Learn from our example. Jackie Robinson was more than booed. Opposing teams threatened to strike if he was allowed to play baseball. And there was more. As Wikipedia reports:

"In Sanford, Florida, the police chief threatened to cancel games if Robinson did not cease training activities there; as a result, Robinson was sent back to Daytona Beach. In Jacksonville, the stadium was padlocked shut without warning on game day, by order of the city's Parks and Public Property director."

He and his family received death threats. And remember, back then Jim Crow was alive and well, and black men who voted got lynched. Back then, when a black man received a death threat, he took it seriously.

I know y'all have a dark history that sparkles with racism. I've done all I can to learn about it. But tell me true - is your Mr. Goodes experiencing the boiling rabid hatred that our Mr. Robinson endured?

It is an imperfect solution, but Mr. Goodes cannot quit because racists hate him. He needs to help his team win despite those ass hats.

That's what Jackie Robinson did. He ignored and he played. And he won. His weapons were patience and excellence. And the day came, as Ydog said, when fans stopped booing and instead said "Hey, that Robinson guy's pretty good." He sure as fuck was.

insomniac would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
Goodes isn't hated because he's Aboriginal. He will be hated as a player by some as Havock and w have mentioned above. The booing started as a result of him standing up for himself and his race when that girl called him an ape. He is being booed by people who think they are being hilarious but who are too stupid to even understand how they are being racist. He shouldn't quit and the other players need to take a stand in his defence too.

damian mumbles...

Posted July 30, 2015
Paul, the disturbing aspect is that this isn't Australia repeating the USA 50s and 60s experience at all. We already had that experience, in the 50s and 60s. We didn't have Jim Crow laws, but we didn't need to because we didn't recognise Aborigines as citizens or even as legally people till the late 60s. By then and into the 70s, Australia collectively expressed in overwhelming majorities its wish to put an end to such injustices, much as the USA did.
There had always been Aboriginal players in all the mainstream sporting codes. It was one of the few pathways to affluence (or at least comfortable existence) available. This followed a predictable trajectory - from segregated teams to light-skinned people passing for whites to apologetic, almost clandestine integration to integration being more or less open and seen as a good thing.
What's happening here, while not necessarily new, is different and an expression of the same sort of reactive failure to understand the world that fuels the gamergaters. It's a working-class shout that "you middle-class hippy wankers can't tell me how to behave", that anti-racism (like feminism for the gamergaters) is something that outsiders bring into their world view against their will. It isn't they can't understand it - they refuse to. There's a disconnect in that they feel their class solidarity has its own moral force and their worldview demands it triumph over any other moral duty. Anyone objecting to this must be a member of a reviled class (this SJW thing that they define themselves only as a kind of opposing community... like other stuff that doesn't really exist).
It's early morning here and I can't do the subject much justice, but the psychology is interesting and scary.

SZF mumbles...

Posted July 30, 2015
The Jackie Robinson comparison doesn't really fit though. Dodgers owner Branch Rickey got Robinson (apparently a renowned hothead in the Negro Leagues) to agree to not retaliate in any way to the taunts Rickey knew he would face.
Besides, we're comparing Jim Crow 1940's US versus 2015 Australia - why the f*ck shouldn't Goodes respond to racism!?

Paul_Nicholas_Boylan asserts...

Posted July 30, 2015
I am all for him responding any way he chooses, I was reacting to the suggestion that he might quit because of this idiocy.

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Barnesm mutters...

Posted July 29, 2015

I think those that are booing him are either racist or don't care if they are considered supportive of racists. I apologize if that hurts some peoples feelings.

It really does remind me of some of the gamergate justifications.


Bollocks puts forth...

Posted July 29, 2015

Have a look who benefitted the most from the Gamergate outrage. Pissing people off gets far more traffic than informed reasoned debate. Going to war against your audience is going to get you far more traffic than reasoned deconstructions of the plot of the latest "call of duty" game.

Advertising revenues are declining. Sites need hits. People like Bolt and Jones are kept around because pissing people off gets a lot more attention than quietly keeping them informed.

Outrage releases the same level of endorphins as a good orgasm. Don't assume that just because the cause seems sort of just and you get to throw a few basement dwelling nerds (or bogans) on the bonfire that your outrage about stuff is righteous fury.

The media wants you feeling sanctimonious about stuff - it's one of the few ways left that they can grab your attention. And just as we see that right getting sanctimonious and vitriolic about the crap that Jones and Bolt spill, don't assume that it doesn't happen on the left with confected shit like "gamergate"

John Birmingham puts forth...

Posted July 30, 2015
What you say about click driven media is true, but the mainstream media didn't cover Gamergate for months. I know because I wrote the first column about it for the SMH and had to explain to my editor what it was about..Yes, sites like Salon exist to inflame outrage, but the attacks on those women were already outrageous.

damian has opinions thus...

Posted July 30, 2015
Nah, Bollocks I call bollocks.
With gamergaters you only had to engage very lightly to draw out what they really believed about it, and it is not a set of views that intersects with the reality of the situation anywhere interesting. The behaviour is still there, and the longer it goes the more invested the participants are, the more justified they feel. Like I said the psychology is interesting. It's a deeply morbid psychology that makes you despair for humanity's future.

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NBlob mutters...

Posted July 29, 2015
I wasn't bought up as a follower of any particular football code, so I never had the experience of being a Tigers, Lions, Cats or whatever follower from birth. I shot a Fkn lot of sport & always marvelled at the vitriol & venom opposition players. AFL was certainly the worst for sledging. However it's a small step and a giant leap to go from "You Fat C*nt" to racial abuse. Someone who hasn't lived with the colour of one's skin defining you can't begin to imagine it. I can't imagine why one stupid comment seemed to be the straw that broke the camels ACL, but I believe we should accept in good faith that it was genuinely the point where he said "This much and no more." As for the bru ha ha, just mouth-breathers out-outraging each other for page views, ratings & sales. Damn but don't the punters love some outrage.

NBlob swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 29, 2015
Venom * directed at* opposition players

w from brisbane reckons...

Posted July 29, 2015
And that is as nothing compared to the vitriol directed at the field umpires. Aussie rules is a fast, constantly contested game with constant umpire decision-making and legions of passionate fans who don't really understand the rules. My experience of sitting in the AFL bleachers is to be surrounded by shouting, splenetic people constantly shouting foul abuse at the umpires. It's as if they come for the umpiring. It would shut the fans up quite a bit if they sat down and actually read the rule book.

Bangar ducks in to say...

Posted July 30, 2015
Face it if an umpires decision is against your team it's wrong in a lot of fans "minds". Apol for the bold.

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w from brisbane would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
It was one of the great moments in sport and it made me proud to be Australian when Nicky Winmar, 20 years or so ago, faced those in the crowd shouting their dumb shit, and lifted up his shirt and pointed at his skin, black and proud of it. An iconic moment. http://goo.gl/p3eAC0

Halwes reckons...

Posted July 29, 2015

That was a great response wasn't it ? I was stoked at the time.

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Quokka is gonna tell you...

Posted July 29, 2015
First Dog is adept at translating Fuckwit.Not that I follow FOOOOOOball but there you go.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/29/why-do-you-boo-adam-goodes-is-it-because-?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Noely reckons...

Posted July 29, 2015
As a Rugby League follower I always thought we were pretty bad when it came to booing, but after watching recent weeks of AFL they have really shamed themselves. I don't think I have seen so many tweets online that start with "I'm not a racist but...". It is shocking. Even at the height of the whole Storm salary cap drama when everyone in NSW already couldn't stand the Storm so reveled in hating on them the boos didn't get to this sort of proportion. I'm never going to cop the 'thugby' tag from AFL fans in future, they can look themselves in the mirror :(

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BigWillieStyle would have you know...

Posted July 29, 2015
Jesus. Havock - sorry, HAVOCK - bringing more fuckwittery than usual to this one. But, but, but....he picked on a 12-year-old girl! But, but, but....I just...he just...I don't like the way he plays! But, but, but...he....he....did a dance that I didn't like! But, but, but....NRL players are worse!

Give it up. There is no credible justification for the constant booing of Goodes. None. He's an ornament to the game, and he's got the guts to stand up for himself. Points out a few uncomfortable truths while he's at it. I hope he keeps doing what he's doing, and makes the craven little arsehats even angrier than they already are.

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Halwes puts forth...

Posted July 29, 2015
But is the majority of it racism or yobboism? Sure there will be racists doing it but for the yobbos I reckon it might be like saying your mother wears gumboots to the right target audience. One person thought to make the jungle sledge, everyone saw what a great reaction it got from all quarters and more people decided to do it. Dumb and nasty people sure, but all of them racists? It would be really hard work to be a racist in the NT. You wouldn't have any mates because mixed blood is the norm and not the exception. We are reputed to be pretty uncivilised at times in the NT, and rightfully so in my opinion, but this wouldn't happen here.

Detritus2099 ducks in to say...

Posted July 29, 2015
Distinguishing between yobbo & racist? That's a pretty fine filter.

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Blake swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 29, 2015
Its not entirely unbelievable that so many of them are not 'intentionally' racist. The thing the AfL always did better than ther other codes in aus is breed in club affiliation from birth. You have to be committed to sit through 20 years of team losses and you need a strong club culture to make the atmosphere as good as it is. But you also tend to breed a follower instinct, the excuses dont need to be real strong to do something when 1000 other people in spitting distance are doing the same.
The whole issue does highlight the big issue has with racism. Its not like the US where it was overt and across the board. Here its casual, the boundaries are grey, a phrase that was common usage yesterday is banned today. And that can mean that its harder to tell the difference between a legitimate complaint and an overeactive sook. And because its so hard and inconsistent we're a bit uptight about being labelled racist.
I generally rile at the sooking that goes on over malleable language, the english language has moved its definitions around since it was started and getting upset because some group has decided they no longer like the implied connotations. Sometimes it is better to

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Blake puts forth...

Posted July 29, 2015
One day i will finish a comment before hitting the submit button.
I was going to end with: sometimes though you have to suck it up and accept that people will be insulted if you use a term or act in some way and change your behaviour.
Prior to the eddie macguire thing i was probably sufficiently naive that i may have slurred (in the heat of a football match) any particularly hairy and built man as an ape... But you learn, and luckily im not taken to slurring at football matches

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Legless reckons...

Posted July 30, 2015
Is there a solution to this? I can only think of one. Every time it happens, every AFL player with a shred of human decency should refuse to keeping play. Just stop, fold their arms and stare at the crowd.
<font color="#333333">So why not get the ball rolling John? You've a fair twitter following. Start the hashtag #StareAtTheCrowd or #AFLStareAtTheCrowd and link back to this blog post.</font><font color="#333333">
</font><font color="#333333">Just imagine if it actually took off. Just imagine a whole football field of players who just stopped. Let the ball bounce where it would as they turned en masse and, folded their arms and STARED....</font><font color="#333333">
</font><font color="#333333">Crazier things have taken root on the TwitterSphere. If you start, I'll retweet........</font>

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pi asserts...

Posted July 30, 2015
Charie Pickering's segment on the weekly about this BS (episode 15) is pretty good.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/weekly-with-charlie-pickering/


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HAVOCK21 mutters...

Posted July 30, 2015
Well, I guess now I am educated from here!
You cannot boo anybody thats "black" in AFL ( Aboriginal) as you are a racist if you do!

Barnesm asserts...

Posted July 30, 2015
Not necessarily, but if you go to an AFL game currently and Boo Adam Goodes knowing what you do now I would think you are either a racist or condoning racists actions.

pi has opinions thus...

Posted July 30, 2015
Nice straw-man argument there hav.

No. Personally, I don't boo anyone. Clap for good play, silence for play on the opposing team. Fair enough that you don't want to be associated with the racism inherent in a lot of crowd behavior, but if you've ever been to a game (as I'm sure you have) you'll know that a lot of the 'banter' has everything to do with vilifying him for his race, and the only thing that's happened is that more people have been emboldened to join in.

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w from brisbane mutters...

Posted July 30, 2015
I think racism is part of the booing of Adam Goodes at about the same percentage that sexism was part of Julia Gillard losing leadership of the ALP. I would argue that there was a lot of reasons Gillard got the flick, gender came into it, but gender was not the defining factor.

damian mumbles...

Posted July 30, 2015
Possibly, but defining or not whenever you lift a scab only to discover festering pus like Larry Pickering it's pretty darn nasty.

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w from brisbane reckons...

Posted July 30, 2015
A mate of mine has spent the last couple of decades in the remote aboriginal communities of the Kimberley. A mate of his from up there has got a short article (not paywalled) in the Australian on the Adam Goodes booing. It provides a good perspective and is a good read. http://goo.gl/ipBX2E

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Rhino puts forth...

Posted July 31, 2015
HEY! LOOK OVER THERE ... CECIL THE LION!
There, that should get things moving forward.
So, people boo some guy because <insert reason here>. OMG THEY ARE RACIST!!!!!
So what? Sure, it sucks that people still think this way. But, is anyone getting shot/beaten/lynched? Anyone breaking the law? No? Then it's just bad taste and shitty behavior. When this dies down, because it will - because people are stupid and get bored and can't focus on something more than a couple of weeks at most then move on to the next outrage - what thing will you have moral outrage against? How will you show that you are morally superior?
I absolutely support your calling asshats out on asshat behavior. But it really is ...
<a name="19" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; line-height: normal;">She should have died hereafter;</a>

NBlob has opinions thus...

Posted July 31, 2015
As always Mr Rhino with sagacious words.

Quokka is gonna tell you...

Posted July 31, 2015
Rhino the initial incident that sparked this happened at an Indigenous round. i.e. the footballers are there to celebrate Aboriginal people. So if you go along to that with the intention of shouting racial abuse at an indigenous player, you really are a moron.

Rhino is gonna tell you...

Posted July 31, 2015
Quokka - yeah, I get it. Shitty behavior by shitty people. Read the background stuff.
So, you get a mob of people, hopped up on adrenaline (and beer? Don't know if sold in your stadiums like here) with rabid cult like feelings about their team (I'm a Pittsburgh Steelers fan so I'm guilty of that) and an opposing player does a victory dance in front of you ... You boo. If he would have done it in front of Sydney fans they would have (probably) cheered like crazy.
Whenever a player taunts the opposing team's fans in the NFL they get booed. It happens and then it eventually stops. I get that you guys are still wrestling with all of it and I'm not trying to minimize it.

Rhino puts forth...

Posted July 31, 2015
NBob - I am not gassy. Those sausages (burrrp) were organic.

NBlob would have you know...

Posted August 1, 2015
I'm pretty sure I've had inorganic sausages.

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Halwes swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted July 31, 2015

As a matter of interest, how many comments was it necessary to delete from this thread?

Therbs is gonna tell you...

Posted July 31, 2015
42

GhostSwirv swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 3, 2015


It's always 42.

damian has opinions thus...

Posted August 3, 2015
I thought it was always "swordfish". Now I'm confused.

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robhen reckons...

Posted August 3, 2015
Since when did booing in an afl game become a racial rant? Supporters boo when opposition teams run onto the field. We boo at umpires. Boo at players being brought down behind play. Boo at overtly rough contact. Boo when our team plays against an ex teammate. Boo at guys kicking for goal. Boo in response to a players anticts. So why am I seeing and hearing racism headlines wherever I go Patrick Ryder was booed when Port played Essendon. Was it racial? No! The guy used to play for Essendon and Essendon fans were taunting him. SAshowdown port supporters booed Walker when he picked up the trophy. How many indigenous players are in our great game And how many playets get booed. Just put the whole issue to rest.

damian swirls their brandy and claims...

Posted August 3, 2015
The question to ask yourself, is what is different this time? When did people start booing Goodes and why, why has it persisted for years and why, when discovering that participating in it puts them in the same tent as the racists, pissing out, do people persist?
Racism in many of its forms is identity motivated conformity enforcement - or even a special case of it. Another word for that might be "bullying". So a lot of counterexamples where it's done without an apparent racial motive are actually not very good in themselves and they suggest there's something pretty off about the culture in which they occur. In some ways raising them is just digging a deeper hole.

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GEOFF has opinions thus...

Posted August 4, 2015
Good on ya John.
I just found out you grew up in Ipswich just like me. You're a couple of years older than me (Just sayin).
We were all racists there and then, but I like to think I have grown more compassion and understanding since then.
Wasn't til I had a brown-skinned child that I started realizing how fucking racist we are in this country. Just casual and easy like racism.If you point it out then you become the target.
Maybe this Adam Goodes thing is exposing the lie that people think that we are no longer a racist country.

John Birmingham ducks in to say...

Posted August 4, 2015
Hey Geoff. Yep, old Ippy did offer a bloke so many opportunities to experience personal growth, didn't it.

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Geoff has opinions thus...

Posted August 5, 2015
Yeah I had to get my personal growth removed by a cosmetic surgeon

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